RDM does get more cure potency than drk pld war etc tho! :P
Also, RDM enfeebs make you need less cures, so RDM would get the job done better.
But I suppose I still see your point lol
RDM Job Manifesto
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RDM Job Manifesto
Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day?
Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. Sylph.Kiaru said: A WHM is still a better healer for bria, and a war/whm bst/whm brd/whm any job/whm is equal to a rdm mainhealing bria, so no. Exactly, because WAR and BST have such great native Healing and Enhancing Magic skills, Refresh 1 and 2, etc. Obviously. Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Because some only level useful jobs, and some don't feel like wasting money? Granted I have a WHM alt on another account, but how often is it uselsss? More often than not. Sylph.Kiaru said: That's another thing, a war could sub WHM and literally heal as well as a rdm/sch inside abyssea LOL. This is why RDM is trash inside.(So can blm/whm, brd/whm, drk/whm, pld/whm, etc -_-). Uh, no. Not if you're actually trying to gear your rdm. A rdm can get up to 45% cure potency, it can spam cure 4 faster than any other job (besides whm, I guess), and it has enfeebles like slow2 that keep your tank from getting hit between shadow casts. For very very simple things, sure, a blm/whm can heal just as well. But there are some things I've duo'd/trio'd with my friends that would be much more difficult for a blm+DD to duo, due to how much refresh you need, how useful addle/slow2 can be, etc. Rdm basically never runs out of mp, but a blm attempting to proc and cure might, unless he's gimping his damage by using more than minikin for refresh atmas. Look, I'm not saying these aren't niche cases. They're certainly things I've experienced because I'm solely lowman. They probably won't be things that you experience, and that's fine. It doesn't mean the possibilities are not there. Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse.
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Cerberus.Rayik said: Sylph.Kiaru said: A WHM is still a better healer for bria, and a war/whm bst/whm brd/whm any job/whm is equal to a rdm mainhealing bria, so no. Exactly, because WAR and BST have such great native Healing and Enhancing Magic skills, Refresh 1 and 2, etc. Obviously. Don't need enfeebles on any mob inside abyssea besidea dia2/3. Healing magic barely helps cure4, don't need enhancing magic for bria, minikin/allure/ambition or w/e 3rd refresh atma makes refresh useless and not needed. Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse.
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Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. And I do too, that's why I only have NIN RDM THF(i only like thf for farming for myself, it's not that fun) Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. ITT if you don't pay for 2 accounts you are gimp.
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Lakshmi.Naokoyume said: Sylph.Kiaru said: That's another thing, a war could sub WHM and literally heal as well as a rdm/sch inside abyssea LOL. This is why RDM is trash inside.(So can blm/whm, brd/whm, drk/whm, pld/whm, etc -_-). Uh, no. Not if you're actually trying to gear your rdm. A rdm can get up to 45% cure potency, it can spam cure 4 faster than any other job (besides whm, I guess), and it has enfeebles like slow2 that keep your tank from getting hit between shadow casts. For very very simple things, sure, a blm/whm can heal just as well. But there are some things I've duo'd/trio'd with my friends that would be much more difficult for a blm+DD to duo, due to how much refresh you need, how useful addle/slow2 can be, etc. Rdm basically never runs out of mp, but a blm attempting to proc and cure might, unless he's gimping his damage by using more than minikin for refresh atmas. Look, I'm not saying these aren't niche cases. They're certainly things I've experienced because I'm solely lowman. They probably won't be things that you experience, and that's fine. It doesn't mean the possibilities are not there. Then get a WHM and BLM, trading 90% of your procs for slightly(very slightly) better healing is a waste of time, killing anything inside abyssea that isn't 100% drop without procs is a waste of the entire zones + your time. Kiaru, why do you care what jobs people have? They aren't applying to your linkshell, hell they aren't even on your server. What makes you so sure they even want to be in that type of linkshell in the first place?
Sylph.Kiaru said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. And I do too, that's why I only have NIN RDM THF(i only like thf for farming for myself, it's not that fun) Take a look at my jobs and my alt's jobs... Don't go around making assumptions. My group has 5 people in it. Everyone of us has an alt that has whm leveled. But that doesn't mean that everyone wants to play this way. Not everyone wants to play a job they don't like. I'm countering your argument of saying something is "ineffective". Could it be slower? Yes it can be but with how easy this damn game is I'd rather have fun anyway and so would many other people. Sylph.Kiaru said: Cerberus.Rayik said: Sylph.Kiaru said: A WHM is still a better healer for bria, and a war/whm bst/whm brd/whm any job/whm is equal to a rdm mainhealing bria, so no. Exactly, because WAR and BST have such great native Healing and Enhancing Magic skills, Refresh 1 and 2, etc. Obviously. Don't need enfeebles on any mob inside abyssea besidea dia2/3. Healing magic barely helps cure4, don't need enhancing magic for bria, minikin/allure/ambition or w/e 3rd refresh atma makes refresh useless and not needed. You're absolutely right, since jobs like WAR and BST also have such awesome MP pools that you never run out of MP, since even Cure IV uses 80-ish mp? Face it, your statement is ignorant and daft. RDM aren't optimal, but far, far from useless. The game has a wide array of gray areas, but too many elitists only see black and white.
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Sylph.Kiaru said: Ragnarok.Sekundes said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Why do people have such few job combinations and no mule in a game where 1-90 takes a day? Someone with those job combinations wouldn't even get into a decent linkshell, making that pointless as well. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. If you can't be bothered to level a mule or decent/useful jobs, don't complain when I tell you your way of doing things is ineffective and slower/worse. And I do too, that's why I only have NIN RDM THF(i only like thf for farming for myself, it's not that fun) Who gives you the right to judge? Why do you *need* to tell people when you think their jobs aren't useful or efficient? Cerberus.Rayik said: Face it, your statement is ignorant and daft. RDM aren't optimal, but far, far from useless. The game has a wide array of gray areas, but too many elitists only see black and white. I doubt Kiaru would be qualified to join my LS, we have extremely high requirements now a days cause LS events are SRSBSNS. We make them fill out applications and do a proper screening and then evaluate how many jobs they have leveled and how many mules they can bring before letting them join. You think getting a "decent LS" was bad in HNM days? It's so much worse in Abyssea days gotta be on yo game to get into an LS
3 jobs on main? and only 1 mule? pffft G.S.P. is not impressed with your performance.
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Cerberus.Rayik said: Sylph.Kiaru said: Cerberus.Rayik said: Sylph.Kiaru said: A WHM is still a better healer for bria, and a war/whm bst/whm brd/whm any job/whm is equal to a rdm mainhealing bria, so no. Exactly, because WAR and BST have such great native Healing and Enhancing Magic skills, Refresh 1 and 2, etc. Obviously. Don't need enfeebles on any mob inside abyssea besidea dia2/3. Healing magic barely helps cure4, don't need enhancing magic for bria, minikin/allure/ambition or w/e 3rd refresh atma makes refresh useless and not needed. You're absolutely right, since jobs like WAR and BST also have such awesome MP pools that you never run out of MP, since even Cure IV uses 80-ish mp? Face it, your statement is ignorant and daft. RDM aren't optimal, but far, far from useless. The game has a wide array of gray areas, but too many elitists only see black and white. To be fair, Shiyo only poses as an elitist.
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Asura.Eeek said: To be fair, Shiyo only poses as an elitist. I care because I'm RDM main and SE needs to buff the job <_<
I'm not elitist, I hate the fact RDM is crap inside abyssea. Sylph.Kiaru said: Then get a WHM and BLM, trading 90% of your procs for slightly(very slightly) better healing is a waste of time, killing anything inside abyssea that isn't 100% drop without procs is a waste of the entire zones + your time. Dear god, you just keep jumping around. I was replying to a point where we were talking about DUOING Briarius. See that? DUO. If you're going to talk about procs and having more, fine - as I've mentioned, in our trio group, one friend brings blm (sometimes blm/brd), and I'm sometimes dualboxing him. I'm also often dualboxing another friend's blu account. There, we have procs. It still doesn't change the fact that me going rdm (or sch, even) is more useful than bringing whm, which lacks nukes and enfeebles. I still have to be the healer, but whm can't do much else. It's a very, very simple point. If you don't need the whole curing power of whm, then you can bring rdm for its extra abilities. It's still better at healing than any of the other jobs you listed, without gimping atmas. I don't think a setup of tank, healer, and blm/brd (possibly blu as well) is all that uncommon. In that case, whm and rdm (and sch) are perfectly interchangeable when the battle allows. EDIT - and if you're not aiming to go with as small a group as possible, then I see nothing wrong with bringing a rdm in the first place. You've already given up on efficiency, might as well bring someone who can enfeeble. Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main and SE needs to buff the job <_< Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main if that were true you would find creative ways to make it a plausible solution given the situation, even if it weren't the most ideal. That is exactly what my friends who love RDM do. Everything is so casual in this game these days, the over-bearing elitism just looks dated and obsolete. Kiara even said some people can get a job from 1-90 in a day, so what's the point of being an elitist snob? Sure, nobody likes wasting time, but if someone can do their job well, I don't care what they come as. Maybe I have lower standards, or maybe it's because I'm playing a video game for fun.
I'm lucky enough to have a group of RL friends and family I play with, and we have enough jobs leveled to cover our bases for the most part. We don't care if our set up isn't "optimal", we go do stuff to have fun and still come out pretty good. If we're missing a proc or two, big whoop. We'll try it again.
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Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main and SE needs to buff the job <_< I'm not elitist, I hate the fact RDM is crap inside abyssea. RDM doesn't have to be crap in Abyssea. I've yet to be short on invites from even pick up groups on my RDM. It just depends on what it is you're doing in there. RDM can cover a lot of different procs, and even has some of it's own (Dispel for dark). I've landed enfeebles on NM's that people thought were immune(NM was just highly resistant). That first time someone goes "hell yeah, that para is the HEAT!" makes it totally worth it. Carbuncle.Tweeek said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main if that were true you would find creative ways to make it a plausible solution given the situation, even if it weren't the most ideal. That is exactly what my friends who love RDM do. Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main and SE needs to buff the job <_< I'm not elitist, I hate the fact RDM is crap inside abyssea. Cerberus.Rayik said: Sylph.Kiaru said: I care because I'm RDM main and SE needs to buff the job <_< I'm not elitist, I hate the fact RDM is crap inside abyssea. RDM doesn't have to be crap in Abyssea. I've yet to be short on invites from even pick up groups on my RDM. It just depends on what it is you're doing in there. RDM can cover a lot of different procs, and even has some of it's own (Dispel for dark). I've landed enfeebles on NM's that people thought were immune(NM was just highly resistant). That first time someone goes "hell yeah, that para is the HEAT!" makes it totally worth it. ps. whm/sch gets dispel
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Sylph.Kiaru said: I did, azuring farming tes and pretending to be ablm. It isn't very fun and nms are EXTREMELY boring to fight as a a RDM. Debuff + spam nukes after procs or afk. Then maybe you should try to be more creative, as Tweeek said. If you're on rdm, you should rarely just be standing there twiddling your thumbs, unless you're watching for a stun or specific TP move. |
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