Spharai

You have two different DRK characters?

You're talking about situations where you need the +counter, but how often is that the case? They're worthless in Abyssea, which is where at least 50% of your time is spent, and the only way I can see you needing the extra counter outside is if you can't keep Counterstance up because of dispel spam. So if you're /WAR (because you can just macro +counter in for shadows), and outside, all the time, go for it?

Seems like a huge waste of gil and time, to me.

Spharai are useless. Get Apoc...or something useful...

Yes I do. Mankey is my alt.

So is playing dark knight but thats what you like to do correct? Clearly theres about 2 good weapons in 90% of the game's current content and about 2 good jobs

Surya+2+whm and vereth+mnk

everything outside of that is personal flair and dowhateverthefuckyouwantbro

Idk where you're getting that from. Need red and grellow procs.

naked mules, naked mules everywhere

I think Atoreis is just having a tough time explaining his question. Maybe this is a better break down.

"Will somebody build and test Spharai vs a h2h I haven't mentioned as well as Apocalypse vs a scythe I haven't mentioned, then tell me between the winners of those, which is better for me. Post all your data, because I want to form 'my own opinion' rather than trust anyone's reputation. Thanks.*"

Just look for people with both Spharai and Verethragna and ask them.

Kinematics has a spreadsheet. If he wanted a direct comparison, he could have done that himself.

I remember you calling yourself "a career monk" and not "a career drk", so the choice should be rather simple? To me anyway, it was. Back when I made Spharai everybody bitched about the small gain it had over destroyers and whatnot. I did not care, it was the best, it had a fun (but shitty) nostalgia WS and while I agree Glanzfaust look better, there's is nothing wrong with some gold knuckles that have pain written on them.

For your comparison to the the Vereth and equipping a *** of counter. There is a fine line in giving up offence for defence on MNK. Personally anything around 70% counterrate is "good enough" for me to not equip more countergear which might lower my dps (without counters).

As for Relics recieving buffs. To me it is pretty simple, if they don't make the relic path easier, the relic should be better. Yes, I'm aware that by that logic, Glanzfaust should be the best, but that's a weapon from the "*** you over on completing ***" expansion anyway, so don't know if SE will actually do that.

Considering SE hardly made relics easier with their last dyna change I expect relics to recieve a pretty good buff unless SE wants more *** topics on the official forums. Not from me btw, I only care a little what way SE floats, if my relic becomes a real relic (lolz), so be it. I'll be pissed, because while Vereth is cool and all, Spharai will always be the coolest thing I did on MNK.

Relics did become a lot easier with this new update. A group of 3-5 people can farm 300+ currency a day with some luck.

While it may be somewhat easy to farm 300 currency a day, getting 3-5 people to farm a whole relic for you is somewhat difficult. Considering it's hard to say "me first, then we'll farm your relic". I highly doubt a group would stay together that long (If so power to ya). But considering bynes doubled in price it hasn't really gotten easier in the buying part.

2 ppl dual boxing, split coins down the middle.

150 towards your relic, 150 towards their relic or for them to sell, etc.

Would be pretty easy to set that up.

I wanna know what made people realize after so long bynes are just as plentiful in dropping as everything else and shouldnt be half the price of everything else.

Didn't have to do with the drop rate. Had to do w/ bynes being a large part of less popular relics.

Now they're all equally unpopular, hence the same price.

with 2 people you wont be hitting 300, 100~200 prob, but his point still stands, make a duo static and bring some mules if u can. it'll still take some time but it all comes down to how bad you really want it.

And I wouldn't say all relics are trash. Mandau(90) is still slightly better than Twashtar(90).

Honestly though, Im kind of pulling this out of my *** but thats still the general consensus, anyway.

However I've never seen anyone happy with Spharai, so I wouldnt even chance it. Get Vereth > Get an Apoc.

Hi.

Well, way back when it was because people spammed basty because wootz ore sold for a ton, so linkshells would make the most profit by doing basty. After abyssea killed that, Bynes should have been around what other currency cost, but they stayed around the same price because people were just used to them being that much after so many years.

Also, Bynes are like, 6-8k average and used to be 4-6k. It's still not very much compared to the 12-16k shells and coins, which have mainly retained their price or gone up a bit.

And on top of them being slightly more expensive, getting gil is insanely easier if you really want it. As you and Dio did, just merc everything you can. Only took you guys a few months to fund your Kikoku and his Mandau.

The only people happy with Spharai are the people who have that but dont have a vere.

I'm not trying to argue but 6-8k is false as an average. Most of my 10,000 bynes were 11k~. Call me impatient but I maybe got 20-30 bynes for 6-8k a day.

Well, they should be about that anyway =P

People don't think "oh I get profit on wootz, so let's make the price lower on bynes because we are so *** nice". Greed is the number 1 rule in FFXI or anywhere. If they could have sold bynes for 1 million they would have. Fact is all relics with bynes as the final stage were the less popular ones, what Tiger said. Bynes have been in the 500 to 800k range as long as I can remember, exception being the hyperinflation days, they were 1.1mil (vs 2.2+ mil montiont).

Rule of thumb throughout the years for my server has pretty much been montionts were twice as much as bynes, shells 1.5times as much as bynes (lately same as montiont ratio though). Funny enough my server had the most Spharai listed of all servers on FFXIAH XD I say listED because all relics with old confimation (aka no guildwork/community site) were removed. Some of them still play, but won't show here.

Of course, the best days of Spharai have been long gone ever since Abyssea, that's not the point. I had them since 2008 and haven't regretted them once. While Apoc would open up lowman options for drk, Spharai simply made me better at lowmanning from 2008 to 2011 which gave me great pleasure. Even today while not being the best, they still count as second or 3rd best. And as little added bonus they still seperate me from the bandwagon mnk. That does not mean I will equip them over Vereth when in a fight at this time, but it is nice to know for myself :P

And yes I don't have Vereth yet, 49 fangs. Emp law had to apply on last pop of course, got another Amun KI already, Amun is quite emo on our server in EU time atm, so white. Still 18 buds to go.

Agreed. I think Spharai was underrated before Empyreans came out though.

Id swap Vereth for Spharai right now If I could and just get Vereth again even if Spharai dont trump all at 99, I bet you they will though. Or spharai will be slightly superior for mobs of a higher lvl and high defense and vereth will win in merit pty.

Only people who considered spharai underrated before are ones who only ever did HNM and lol'd mnk at HNM. As far as salvage goes every monk I know who did salvage when spharai were best and destroyers were the only other option all wanted spharai.

I disagree!
I personally love the "cesti" model for h2h weapon. Among "normal" weapons Destroyers/Taurine are still my favourite.
Spharai is definitely the best looking h2h weapon for my tastes.

Some relics look unique(Amano, though I don't care for the design, unique; Guttler). Other relics look ugly as *** w/ a gold coating.

Spharai is one of the latter(along w/ Apoc, Mandau, etc.).

Most relics were just reskins of existing models:

Guttler → Orcish axe
Spharai → koenigs knuckles/diamond knuckles
Mandau → thief's knife
Kikoku → kunai/ganko
Ragnarok → bloody sword
Claustrum → monster signa
Bravura → bhuj
Apocalypse → Demonslicer
Gjallarhorn → horn/cornette

I don't know of any other weapon sharing the same model as Ragnarok. Excalibur was unique until Hauteclaire.

Huh? I consider them underrated because in my experience most people didn't fully appreciate the benefits of Spharai. I never did HNM or particularly cared what jobs were good for it.

Dont think Spharai will be best at 99 unless they rework the WS for it.

I dunno, they just arent all that impressive to me. Werent at 75, wont be at 99.