Atheists The New Theists ?

Baptism for a child is only religious by tradition, it holds no purpose in faith, hope this adds on a 'lil more for yah Zah :D

It just seems like you are calling someone a hypocrite before knowing their values with statements like that.
Because you are throwing "what if's" in after the fact as conditionals right after saying that one would be a hypocrite.
I.E. Jumping the Shark.

It just had me wondering. That's all.

Is she/would she really get "pressured" to do it as you infer she would?
You just seem to put it in a light that someone is getting pushed to do something, which I don't really think would be the case.

Wait? Are we talking about me? I don't feel pressured. It's my choice.

Ugh...So cloudy in the morning. I don't know why I jumped on this thread.

/confused

I dunno.
For some reason I get the feeling that he assumed you would get pressured to baptize your hypothetical offspring.
He assumed also that it'd be either be that or you being overly cautious.
Which wouldn't really be the case if you are doing it for tradition, which makes his inference a false presupposition.

Man! Why are people always telling me what to do with my hypothetical offspring?!?

LOL!

I think baptizing any child is wrong, personally. Child has no choice as to what religious ceremony it's about to be the object of.

Doesn't really sit well with me.

You say baptize, I say bath, same thing for a baby.
For my hypothetical child, sure if the one who's womb birthed the child wanted it to get baptized I'd let it, but that doesn't really mean I won't fill his/her head with what really counts.

Do marriages and funerals sit well with you? They're both religious ceremonies.

No worries, Josiah. :)

Marriages are between two consenting adults; I have no problem with that.

I have a few problems with funerals, but if the person was of a religion and had a funeral of that religion I don't care, it's what they believed in.

When a family gives someone a religious funeral to someone that was not religious, that pisses me off.

I really don't know.
I didn't enjoy it and that's about as far as I got with it.
I can't assume what a dead person would want or not want because they are dead.
As for religiousing the dying.
My grandpa(dads side) got "saved" and "baptized" on his death bed after living his whole life as a skeptic and an atheist. actually I'd say he's probably the big reason I am who I am today when it comes to that. I really don't like the fact that he did that, I know why he did it, to comfort grandma and let her not stress about that aspect of it because she's batshit crazy(the one that tells me I'm going to hell) but like.
I just hate when I go to a funeral and hear 10-30 minutes of God and Jesus talk and only 5-10 minutes of talk of the actual person.
It upsets me and I think it's a joke.
I don't really agree with funerals in the first place because I can't deal with them anyway.
Dunno what I'm gonna do when MS takes my dad.
probably drive off a cliff.

Makes sense, but you're also one of the nicer atheists on here too.


Thanks. That was getting a little weird seeing as though I would need to find the right mate beforehand.

This is one of my biggest qualms. Some preacher that barely knew the people I've been to the funeral for throws some generic *** on how wonderful they were for a few lines and then gets into "I know they're with Jesus! Jesus, God, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!"

That disgusts me. It's pissing on the dead fellow with your words.

The Jesus part doesn't really bother me.
That aspect is not really meant for the person but the listener.
But when Preaching overtakes talking of the deceased that's where I draw the line.

My grandmas funeral was a little like that, but she was quite religious and in all honesty I think it's the kind of service she'd have wanted. It was also more about her (stuff I didn't know until her funeral too) than it was preachy, even though there was a bit of it there. My grandpa's funeral was much less preachy than hers, and most of the speaking was done by a man that had been a close friend of his for years, so was quite a nice service.

Although, they both had *** hymns... wtf!

For the... well, I can't remember how many funerals I've been to, honestly. But of the four or so I can distinctly remember, three of them were "fire and brimstone" sort. It was heavy, heavy preaching and very little about how wonderful the person was.

I'll freely admit I'm probably more than a little biased because of that.

If I was god, I'd let him through the gate if that's what his reasoning was. Well, I guess I'd be St. Peter, but w/e.

Ouch

St. Peter is the one that let's people through the pearly gates. At least, he is in all the jokes I've heard about it <_<

Yes

How is that an ouch?
I didn't say what really counts.
Of course teaching your child the way you see your world and influencing their thoughts in ideas in what you see as right/wrong is what really counts here.
Child Baptism doesn't matter for ***past tradition is why I said I'd fill their head with what really counts.
So unless you know a baby that can comprehend the importance of getting baptized, he isn't going to take anything from the experience.
Baptism of a child isn't really for the child, it's for the parent.