Atheists The New Theists ?

Why wont the thread stop ; . ;

because you keep on asking it to stop.
why are Christians so dumb?

Fair enough, but let me point out:

1. I basically responded to you that: Atheistic bitching and public influence is -far- less than theistic bitching, and using the politics and religion thread as a reference to how much we're trashing the other side is not a fair comparison. I then referenced the spending levels of prolife, antigay marriage, and anti-educations spending in America versus the spending for Atheist programs (orders of magnitude difference).2

2. You're STILL claiming I'm making generalizations about all theists when I've pointed out in -every- post that isn't the case.

You can't come into a thread and say "Hey Hey guys, settle down", and then accuse the other side of being aggressive and generalizing. It's a back handed act with the guise of ambivalence.

you are just making excuses so that you can be a ***.****(don't take this one seriously)
you can argue and deal with people you think are stupid without treating them badly.
You are drowning them in an emotional diatribe defending your actions rather than your words. If they don't accept your words, you tantrum.
You are a big kid, you don't need to tantrum.
You are trying to force everyone to live up to your standards as they are with you, but it's a lot easier for you to talk nice than for them to not believe in an invisible godhead.
I totally used way too many "you's", hope this wasn't taken with a negative light, t'was not intended to be so.

1. This has much to do with the fact that people dislike change.It is human nature to be apprehensive of change. It is also human nature to attempt to justify why repetition is the way to go. All of the areas in which you are speaking, are areas of change. It has much less to do with religious people than you attribute it.

2. Because of 1, you kind of are.

I agree, the prejudices that are at the base of the anti-gay movement and creationist movement are due to mankind's natural resistance towards new concepts and outside cultural influencers.

However, as we have shifted from tribal people into more rational animals, with education and written history, there isn't an excuse to tolerate that level of prejudice anymore. In today's society, hating someone for being a specific religion/sexuality is prejudice, unless your religion tells you to hate them, then it's justified.

Again: Religion isn't the root cause, it's the catalyst. Remove the catalyst and you remove the foundations that support their prejudice.

And no, I'm pretty sure I'm not generalizing when I specifically say "not everyone".

Remove the catalyst, and the people who want to support this prejudice find another catalyst.

Hate just gives way to more hate.

You really have nothing to back that up with.

We're talking about removing a supernatural unquestionable catalyst, for the already established dangers.

If they replace it with another one, who cares, as long as we've removed their ability to use excuses that are beyond reason.

Education and experience can end prejudice and fear mongering, but not when they're supported by supernatural unquestionable superstitions.

It's not so far fetched though. People use other things to further thier own predjudices.

No it can't. It is foolish and childish to think that without religion, everyone in the world will stop being violent. Everyone in the world will stop being greedy. Everyone in the world will think he is absolutely equal to the man standing next to him. That is as much of a fairytale ending as you say my religion is.

The question is, why shouldn't I be offensive towards religion?

Noone said you can't.

ask my mom

she can say all she wants about me being an atheist, but as soon as i say ***about her god im being offensive

I said shouldn't.

Not "Why can't I".

Be offensive all you want. You're just gonna look like an ***.

Not answering the question.

Why is it okay to question one's political party, question one's decision on any other thing, but the moment that religion is the object of question we are expected to say "I don't agree, but I respect your religious opinion."

Why?

Why do people get in an uproar when someone says "Your religion is stupid" as if it were different than any other belief the person may hold?

If I say "Your political party is stupid" the world doesn't have a canary, they have a debate. It's like somewhere we all agreed to treat religion as a special topic that shouldn't be questioned.

Not a single person here said that those problems wouldn't exist without religion. This is where I get irritated. Because you KNOW we're stating that it's easier to remove those prejudices in people when they have real world catalysts (ignorance, cultural influences, drug dependancy), rather than supernatural catalysts that can't be questioned. Yet you continue down that argument path to get a rise out of us.

Stop pretending you don't know the difference and stop insinuating we're saying religion = cause of all problems in the world.

Do I believe the world would be -far- better without religion? Yes.

Do I believe unicorns will piss rainbows after we abolish religion? Nope.

Do I believe however that world peace is possible while religion is still around? Nope.

I have been debating this entire time. Show me one time in this thread I have lost my temper and got all emotional, or even said we shouldn't be having this debate.

So, to answer your question, you can say whateever you want. But, if you want to make any leeway, you shouldn't start the whole "lolyourstupid" argument, because noone is going to listen to a word you say thereafter.

Because you look just as bad as them?

To think world peace is possible at all is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE...

Hmm, this thread seems to have taken off again and y’all done lost your damn minds!

I read up a little of the last 4 pages and stfu with your big and fancy words, the both of ya (and ya know who you are). Ya both are trying to test the comprehension skills of each other on the interwebs when a definition is just a click away. As someone has already pointed out this is a serious subject on a video game website. A friendly debate always rocks here and many subjects are discussed but don't get worked up over it though geez. At the end of the day, EVERYONE believes what he or she is going to believe no matter what is posted here. As much as I respect the forums on this site for the various subjects discussed, I’m sure we can ALL agree that we aren’t exactly going to change the world here now are we?

I, myself, believe religious people are straight up crazy for believing in the notion of a supreme being with so much evidence pointing to alternative ideas but to each their own ya know. I truly don't give a rats *** if someone believes in god or not and I don't think they are stupid in the least even though in my heart I believe the idea is stupid. Some of the smartest people I know believe in a god so I cannot call them stupid. These are the people of religion I truly respect too, they are smart enough to not preach the *** to me knowing I do not believe and I do not care. If I call a religious person stupid, it sure as hell isn't over their belief. I do not go around attacking their beliefs though, that’s about as ignorant as them attacking my disbelief. I do, however, enjoy a good and rational debate with a religious person from time to time but when the discussion turns from rational to irrational then I’m over it. I personally think the Bible is just a bunch of stories told by bards written by kings and nothing more. The intelligence level of a person back then was certainly low ya know and this is how I explain all the contradictions in religion. There was no TV, interwebz, or movie theaters back then. The people of the world had to entertain themselves somehow, ya know. They wasn’t *** 24/7 that’s for sure. If they were, hell, send me back and I ain’t bullshitting! But send me back with a machine gun and a shitton of ammo so I can be a king too.

As for the religion vs. atheist thing and who is more pushy, c'mon, the religious are far more pushy than an atheist ever thought about being and you all know this, truly you do deep down inside. Hell, this topic section alone should tell you something of that with it being named "Politics AND Religion." Religion sticks its nose in politics all the time (affecting everyone) where our forefathers didn't even want it to be involved regardless of their own beliefs. They wanted freedom from oppression over personal beliefs too. Hence, why, they included the separation of church and state. That is just an example, how can the religious not see all the referencing of god in the world as not pushing god onto people that do not believe in god? Atheism for the most part, just doesn't give a ***until religion is pushed onto them. That is when they are hostile over the whole thing. This is just from my own perspective though, I mean, I’m a smart *** but I’m *** insane so I could be wrong. I do realize there are some atheists that just act a fool over it all by being irrational, offensive, and disrespectful and I do apologize for that. There is absolutely no sense at all to attack someone over what they believe in or what they do not believe in whether it is a religious or atheist person.

By the way, don't get me wrong, I love my country even though it's becoming a big brother country like no other but isn't the saying "God bless America" about the most ignorant saying ever? If you were a true believer, wouldn't it be "God bless everyone" not just America?

This one took off again because the other one was axed. I don't know what exactly happened to it last night, but someone is going to pay!

/grabs beatin' stick

*** statement on this forum.

And, I believe I have been pretty rational the last few pages.

If this is the case, then why does this forum have an LOLreligion thread practically every other week? I don't see the theist here dedicating threads to their beliefs.

Just saying...

lol Ok.

And using an internet forum, one specifically designed for religious discussion, to demonstrate how us evil atheists are shoving our views down your throat is really a truly great source and an awesome representation of society in general.

Nice.

Hey, don't just point to a piece of what I said, there was indeed more to that than what your making note of.

It isn't JUST athesits posting stuff on here ya know, I've seen religious threads posted here too.

EDITED: to add that a friendly debate is why anything is posted anywhere on the net not just this site. There is a thread right now on the main page about some batshit crazy woman nuking her baby and someone has done turned it into an abortion thing. I'm sure that didn't come from an atheist.

I didn't make this thread to bash religion. It just evolved into that :D seewutididthar

The only reason why atheists seem more aggressive online is because it is one of the few places they can voice their thoughts without being physically attacked or having their lives destroyed by theists who see the non-believer as the lowest form of human.