[dev1007] Voidwatch Emerges

They don't make new posts for old dev threads, for whatever reason.
They just update the thread and say so via POL or whatever.

Check the original Voidwatcher thread, stop looking for a new one.
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hmmm well , all in all it depends on if the drops are worthwile(considering the difficulty), if not its just another battle system going down the loo.

OMG ASURAN FISTS PROCS YELLOW NOW!!!!

i like the way grellow sounds though :)


Grellow!

Yea seems dumb, more cruor buffs so ppl can kill ***w/o effort.

That looks like a chi blast to me.

As exciting as this sounds to have new battlefields,
did ANYONE else read this and make a FFXI/Rift comparison?

Still looking forward to it though.

ATMAcite. Even if it's not specifically Abyssea atmas, it's still the atma system.

Personally, I'm annoyed because my job choice for a given fight will yet again be determined by what kind of proc we need rather than what jobs are good for actually killing the NM. I've hardly used my BLU outside of seal farming and Charged Whisker burns since leveling NIN and honestly it's kind of frustrating because I'm frequently only NIN for red procs, not because we need a strong eva blink tank. NIN is alright but I'd much rather be on BLU.

I'm also thinking atmacite will have set progressions rather than an upgrade tree but that's just speculation.

(To nightfire (incase someone ninjas me)

I Feel your pain, But thats also the fault of people whining they want "Their job to be useful". SE implements a system that gives every job a small use. (Triggers)

Ninja needed for Ei,
DRK needed fro Crossreaper/etc.

Basically, its like some people dug their own grave (not you specifically), But i can see why SE is keeping with the proc system.

............

That being said, i personally look forward to this. The way it sounds is that the Atma won't be as broken as Abyssea Atmas, theres no brews or cruor buffs (we get "Abyssite" type things though), etc. Its not "Abyssea outside Abyssea" its "ANNMs with an Abyssean touch".

It seems like they're trying to touch the best of Abyssea in a new system. Another round of Abyssite collection doesn't sound fun to me, But theres only ~9 enemies, So it'll be easier i hope. That and being able to buy certian things with AN/CP/Etc.

We can't assume the Atmacite is going to be RR/GH/Apoc in 1 Item and Insta-brews for everyone like abyssea is now. I think these mobs will pose a decent challenge, and we don't have a lot of what made Abyssea even easier. (Cruor buffs for one, People tend to forget that 80%~ More HP/HP was a big reason MNK/WHM Duos worked as well, along with atmas).

Plus, They're limiting it to 6~18 man groups, don't have to watch a DNC Try to out-live the mob ;D

I'm pretty sure you'd need to use Rapture to hit 1k+ Cure IV. But I don't have the cure potency staff, so maybe I'm wrong!

One thing does excite me about Voidwatch. This removal from the whole "Communal" reward system, to encourage larger groups to get together. Maybe I read wrong, or misinterpreted, but it seemed very clear that each person has their own set of spoils from the Riftworn coffer.

It doesn't have to be. The introduction of a MM-like atmacite alone would be grounds to consider the system broken. With potentially reduced HP pools comes a potentially reduced need for cures since we will take proportionally less damage per hit. Cruor buffs didn't enable MNK + WHM duos because the damage we take scaled up with said buffs. DD atmas are mostly killspeed, which is irrelevant when judging brokenness unless it enables kills that would not be possible otherwise (ie bringing a kill below the 30 min threshold).

If they set a six person minimum I'm going to have mixed feelings. We can obviously recruit a sixth body without much trouble but if farming an easy stage that we could kill with 2-5 it's a waste of their time unless they need a drop from it.

Base value for C4 is a bit over 400 inside Abyssea so yeah, no way you're hitting 1k+ without Rapture.

I agree with this. I'm sure there will be times where it backfires and the drop one person needs is in someone else's pool, but it eliminates a lot of drama.

Feels kinda like a lot of your hatred from this system is based on assumptions still.

Shouldn't hate it before you know specifics. For all we know, the Atmacites "Buffs" could be something meaningless like 10%HP/+10 All Stats, Specified a certain way through Cruor (as said in the OP).

Some of it is assumptions, but not unreasonable ones. If it's not like atma, why call it atmacite? Why not invent an entirely new term?

Adding refresh buffs would vastly improve the value of nuking mages, who otherwise suffer. Buffing WHM is a side effect of that rather than the intended goal, but nonetheless it needs to be considered. Granted it's not hard for WHM to attain a substantial refresh rate even without atmas, especially if you have a BRD present, but the more you add the less threatening any monster that can't kill you in under 5 seconds gets.

SE, I am disapoint in abyssea outside of abyssea.

Could be the Victim of uncreative naming? Or To Ease the transition between Abyssea and Real world. Since technically its all from the same "system(?)", the naming could just be to relate between the two.

Theres a lot of explanations, it just feels like you're picking the worst of the assumptions and preemptively condemning the system for it. I feel we should simply wait and see.

If it turns out "Atmacite" is basically a customizable Razed Ruins, yah, I'm sure there will be hell from a lot of people :\

But I think you'll be surprised, or at least enjoy the system. Again, We wont have "brews" so noob groups can't rely on that, This system, while not a giant step from abyssea, will hopefully be a little less "Terrible retard" Friendly.

Even if it is Abyssea outside of Abyssea, the stress of a time limit won't be there, and most importantly...

No red atmosphere for hours on end! :o Trust me. game_fillmode in Abyssea and you'll be blinded by red. At least there'll be a different color scheme.

So this is all about void and rift and stuff, and there's a picture of a four-armed samurai in the thread. Gilgamesh maybe?

Too bad we already have one.

i wonder what kind of drops these nms will give, specially since there is no level cap update this time. the gear/drops better outdo af3+2. or is this how we farm our af3+3?....

What about Argus and Argus?

Total translation mishap. The NPC Argus is obviously... uh... Algus, a reference to FFT, so it's s'ok.

They only use the word cause a bunch of tards feel they need to make up a word cause it's not a solid color (so they just parrot off the same words the same idiots use), there is no such word in the English vocabulary known as "Grellow"....

On a side note, it's not like the proc-system has been abyssea exclusive, it was also introduced into WoE. Only reason why it's known as an abyssea origin is because not many people actually do WoE/try to proc inside WoE.

I personally beleive the new stupidly designed gear set is supposed to be AF4 thats supposed to make us feel bad about wasting all our time getting AF3+2.....but ease it with new peices for set work :X

can anybody sense TH8+ coming along....

ORZ it can totally be like they did with the weapons and have a look shift in one of the trial paths as it hits a higher level of gear....iunno...i just hope all this work im doing killing myself for my multitudes of full +2 isnt wasted :/

Cause you know, Atmacite, Crour and Abyssite aren't real words too. Does that mean SE is just a bunch of tards? I personally see it as being a solid yellow, but I'm not going to go around insulting others on a different usage.

Honestly, I do believe SE is full of tards, otherwise they wouldn't have messed up so much in the majority of their recent games (XIII, XIV, Star Ocean, Infinite Undiscovery...), as well as business practices, but that's neither here nor there.

Creating a fictional world and such, they are given the right to use any fictional made up word they want. However when you're referring to an actual entity that has a name and you are too ignorant to give in to the reality of to what it's true name is, especially when there is no found support behind the word usage as opposed to what it actually is, then yes people are tards.

Rift and abyssea had a child and this is it.