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Ebisu Fishing Rod = Relic
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By Asura.Alymorel 2011-04-26 20:00:16
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Asura.Alymorel said: Tbh, the only people I've really seen with Ebisu are fish bots. I'm not a bot nor did I bot for it tho >_>; I have also never seen you as you aren't on Asura. If you got it honestly and legitimately, congrats. ^^
Just everyone over here that I've encountered has that fishing bot. -.-
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-04-26 20:04:09
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: I am making a point while doing it sarcastically. Is the point "that means you should never change anything because someone will be unhappy?"
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-04-26 20:14:53
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By Fenrir.Captaincrunch 2011-04-26 20:16:44
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-04-26 20:17:08
I don't know why empyreans are even considered an achievement... but if you're gonna consider them achievements, there's no reason why ebisu shouldn't be, or even a peacock amulet for that matter (considering it takes longer to get a peacock amulet than most empyreans).
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-04-26 20:17:20
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: I am making a point while doing it sarcastically. Is the point "that means you should never change anything because someone will be unhappy?"
Yup.
Now, give me a hug or I will be unhappy. Anye is a preferred and valid substitute just as an FYI. The point is we've had the discussion about Ebisu many times over the years and users decided not to add it.
We've also posted multiple times to the effect that we are not going to be making more changes to the Achievement system.
That should be enough of an answer.
Phoenix.Vael
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By Phoenix.Vael 2011-04-26 20:22:15
Will the achievements be updated when new content comes out?
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Ramuh.Bekisa
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By Ramuh.Bekisa 2011-04-26 20:28:16
you can buy fish to turn in, but can you not buy relic currency too? Too many people getting butt-hurt over something as trivial as achievement points ...
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-04-26 20:30:04
Im unhappy with people being unhappy...
If there are any achievement points given out, its for having a sabershoot. I got opal silk in a few hours.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-04-26 20:30:49
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Phoenix.Vael said: Will the achievements be updated when new content comes out?
No, people will be unhappy. I'm tired of the negativity and the sarcasm.
You contribute very little to the site or the forums, you're a constant admin nightmare in terms of complaints, you used up your temp bans, and don't even manage to cover your own bandwidth costs via ad revenue with your presence, given your gleeful admission to blocking everything that keeps this site operational.
Spicyryan permabanned.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-04-26 20:32:58
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Phoenix.Vael said: Will the achievements be updated when new content comes out?
No, people will be unhappy. I'm tired of the negativity and the sarcasm.
You contribute very little to the site or the forums, you're a constant admin nightmare in terms of complaints, you used up your temp bans, and don't even manage to cover your own bandwidth costs via ad revenue with your presence, given your gleeful admission to blocking everything that keeps this site operational.
Spicyryan permabanned. -High five-
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-04-26 20:35:21
The problem with Achievements is that a given item or title's value is completely fluid as time goes on. Each patch can make things harder or easier to get, and would require someone essentially full time to constantly tweak and subjectively manage the Achievement system to match it. And
Given none of the site admins still even play FFXI, this is a tall order, and users have never agreed on even the simplest of questions regarding whether X item or Y title should count for what. We have attempted to jump all over past user feedback on this one and have gotten burned pretty badly, especially around Ebisu.
We have to draw the line somewhere and be happy with an imperfect system. We have to say "Alright, this is it for a bit, we may revisit it later" and work on other parts of the site with the (very limited) part-time opportunities we have, especially if it's just one component of a much bigger picture.
Hence we called a break awhile back and said we're just gunna run with the (admittedly imperfect) system we have until there's a major reason to change it.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-04-26 20:36:04
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Spicyryan permabanned.
Bravo.
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By Siren.Kaliboi 2011-04-26 20:36:36
Spicyryan permabanned.
Thank goodness.
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By Fenrir.Enternius 2011-04-26 20:39:55
I wouldn't mind volunteering some of my time to help get Achievement stuff straightened out if you're so inclined.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-04-26 20:43:31
Spicy has messaged me from the great beyond
just wanted to pass along his last words
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Well AH, this is hardly the way I imagined being banned, and what is this ad revenue buisness? I have been unblocking ads and clicking them since the whole Google thing.
Anyway, Jaerik I would hope you would have analyzed me by now. Then again that is a bit demanding and slightly arrogant, but there was a reason. I, and others were not around for said threads in the past about the Ebisu being counted. So someone like me would like to actually talk about it, and some sarcastic whip cracking is my way to ge the ball rolling (/voke!) in this case. Sorry if you do not approve of my technique. If the answer is a no regardless of what anyone says you should have locked the thread. I assumed I could actually sway something one way or the other.
Anyway, see you AH it was a fun two years. <3
ps the hug part and onwards was just my tongue in cheek humor
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By Asura.Broki 2011-04-26 20:49:38
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: Spicy has messaged me from the great beyond
just wanted to pass along his last words
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Well AH, this is hardly the way I imagined being banned, and what is this ad revenue buisness? I have been unblocking ads and clicking them since the whole Google thing.
Anyway, Jaerik I would hope you would have analyzed me by now. Then again that is a bit demanding and slightly arrogant, but there was a reason. I, and others were not around for said threads in the past about the Ebisu being counted. So someone like me would like to actually talk about it, and some sarcastic whip cracking is my way to ge the ball rolling (/voke!) in this case. Sorry if you do not approve of my technique. If the answer is a no regardless of what anyone says you should have locked the thread. I assumed I could actually sway something one way or the other.
Anyway, see you AH it was a fun two years. <3
ps the hug part and onwards was just my tongue in cheek humor
He was banned for a reason, i do not understand the need to pass another message from him into these forums, the fact that he got banned means he is no longer welcomed.
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-04-26 20:50:47
Asura.Broki said: Carbuncle.Lolserj said: Spicy has messaged me from the great beyond
just wanted to pass along his last words
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Well AH, this is hardly the way I imagined being banned, and what is this ad revenue buisness? I have been unblocking ads and clicking them since the whole Google thing.
Anyway, Jaerik I would hope you would have analyzed me by now. Then again that is a bit demanding and slightly arrogant, but there was a reason. I, and others were not around for said threads in the past about the Ebisu being counted. So someone like me would like to actually talk about it, and some sarcastic whip cracking is my way to ge the ball rolling (/voke!) in this case. Sorry if you do not approve of my technique. If the answer is a no regardless of what anyone says you should have locked the thread. I assumed I could actually sway something one way or the other.
Anyway, see you AH it was a fun two years. <3
ps the hug part and onwards was just my tongue in cheek humor
He was banned for a reason, i do not understand the need to pass another message from him into these forums, the fact that he got banned means he is no longer welcomed.
i am just passing along a message
no need to get angry at me
Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-04-26 20:51:11
Y U NO PLAY LOL!?
/ANGRY!
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-04-26 20:51:27
Carbuncle.Lolserj said: Asura.Broki said: Carbuncle.Lolserj said: Spicy has messaged me from the great beyond
just wanted to pass along his last words
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Well AH, this is hardly the way I imagined being banned, and what is this ad revenue buisness? I have been unblocking ads and clicking them since the whole Google thing.
Anyway, Jaerik I would hope you would have analyzed me by now. Then again that is a bit demanding and slightly arrogant, but there was a reason. I, and others were not around for said threads in the past about the Ebisu being counted. So someone like me would like to actually talk about it, and some sarcastic whip cracking is my way to ge the ball rolling (/voke!) in this case. Sorry if you do not approve of my technique. If the answer is a no regardless of what anyone says you should have locked the thread. I assumed I could actually sway something one way or the other.
Anyway, see you AH it was a fun two years. <3
ps the hug part and onwards was just my tongue in cheek humor
He was banned for a reason, i do not understand the need to pass another message from him into these forums, the fact that he got banned means he is no longer welcomed.
i am just passing along a message
no need to get angry at me why, hes banned, if he had anything to say to anyone in particular he'd PM them, otherwise the majority of us don't really care about his opinion, made evident in permabannedness
Carbuncle.Lolserj
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-04-26 20:52:05
Fairy.Spence said: Y U NO PLAY LOL!?
/ANGRY!
wat
Fairy.Spence
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-04-26 20:52:35
I haven't seen ya on LoL recently ~
Carbuncle.Lolserj
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By Carbuncle.Lolserj 2011-04-26 20:53:23
got a lil bored so taking a break
also playing FFXI again D:
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-04-26 20:59:30
I hate banning people. It makes me feel awful. Whatever thrill comes from wielding the banhammer wore off 14 years ago as a GM, and I really prefer not to do it.
I'd be appreciative if we could drop the issue and stick to the topic.
I'd just like to start a petition that the Ebisu Fishing Rod counts as a relic. Not necessarily achievements if it doesn't fit into the formula, but listed under your name, similar to how Maat's cap used to be a relic.
Ebisu is still very hard to obtain, and even if someone was able to fishbot their way to 100 fishing, they still have to get the very expensive key item from the fishing guild and do days and days of fishing to Zaldon's quest to acquire the rod.
If anyone agrees or disagrees, feel free to post pro's and con's here ^^
If you're not familar, the rod is a better unbreakable version of Lu Shang's, and rare/ex. Info here:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ebisu_Fishing_Rod
Info on the quest to obtain:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Indomitable_Spirit
Thanks!
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