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By Bluban 2011-03-28 22:38:07
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If you don't make use of every spell, you don't know ***about BLU. I make sure to check my logs to make sure fellow BLUs use Foot Kick and 1000 Needles as much as I do.
Indeed. I find 1000 Needles to be very intuitive and easy to use. It's my main damage dealing spell and the fact that it only costs 350MP to use is a plus in my book. Its 12 second casting timer is also a godsend when compared to the long casting timers of Quad. Continuum and other such inferior spells. I understand that the DD spells before LVL.62 are just there for filler and something to do before getting 1000 Needles and cruising for the rest of the game, but sometimes I wonder why SE even made DD spells (or any spell for that mater) after LVL.62. Edit. Also, that VIT and AGI bonus is a must have.

Different spells for different fights wether it's Parties or NM 's,but 1000 needles is pretty useless simple because of DMG vs MP loss even with relic body/AF3 gear and Battery charge.Quad,Dissev and Goblin rush use less MP and per hit +Dmg both kill 1000 needles....please don't listen to anyone here including myself try the spells yourself.Once you hit 70+ you won't even use spells like frentic rip any more.I've hit some NMs for 1700 with quad or Goblin Rush.As for Diamond Hide keep loaded in case anything party you do.
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By Wafflechan 2011-03-28 22:40:08
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MP shouldn't really matter with proper gear and atmas, there is also the fact that it is a light based trigger spell, so saying it's useless is half truth.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-03-28 22:40:09
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The most important spells at level 90 are:

For general use and utility:

Head Butt
Vanity Dive
Benthic Typhoon
Goblin Rush
Quadratic Continuum
Disseverment
Delta Thrust
Magic Fruit
Plenilune Embrace
Occultation
Actinic Burst
Winds of Promyvion
Animating Wail
Battery Charge
Cocoon

Burst + Winds = Auto Refresh

Abyssea Weaknesses:
Blitzrhal
Mind Blast
Firespit
Heat Breath
Seedspray
Magnetite Cloud
Eyes on me
Death Ray
1000 needles
Radiant Breath
Regurgitation
Maelstrom
Hecatomb Wave
Mysterious Light
Frost Breath
Ice Break

For AoE Farming:
Memento Mori (Not really needed but it helps)
Whirl of Rage
Charged Whisker
Thermal Pulse



That should cover the basics of what's required to be halfway decent. Get every spell though, even the useless ones. No need to skimp.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 22:41:51
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
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Or you could be a gimp like those people and not listen to "such behavior".
"I want to get all spells but which are important to start with"
"All of them"
"I just want to know where to start, I plan to get all of them"
"All of them"

yup ignoring that behavior would make one gimped, good call Draylo

All of them.

When did you last use body slam?

The last time I was doing a BCNM with a ton of fodder mobs w/low DEF?

Have you never done blitzstrahl, ashu talif line missions etc bro?

Body slam is a fail spell.


Then you aren't thinking outside of the cookie cutter options. A lot of different spells are useful in different situations. The one you claim is "useless" is actually useful in quite a bit of special battlefields. Blitzkreig, add-on expansions, ashu talif bcnms etc. Body slam does quite well vs mobs with very low hp/def. In addition to misc (although not often) uses, they can possibly be used for new spell combo's for traits. Bad breath was a useless spell until they made it a trait combo for fast cast (although obsolete now). You don't know what to expect or when you will ever use them. Telling someone who wants to take BLU seriously not to both with all the spells is pretty silly tbh. Even some that you claim are dumb, such as the low level ones, have uses for /blu for stat boosts. Also why I was topic banned and then lifted lolz.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 22:46:45
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Aww, what no crap about needing everything we don't need again?

Someone banned me for some reason :( Who could ban my lovable self.
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By Bluban 2011-03-28 22:48:10
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MP shouldn't really matter with proper gear and atmas, there is also the fact that it is a light based trigger spell, so saying it's useless is half truth.

Your talking about fighting in the abyss areas............What about outside?On top of that setting up spells for your Job traits also has an effect.Everyone here makes it sound so simple and it is if you know what your doing,but people here are talking about using these spells in ABYSS ZONES which isn't practical anywhere else.In fact most people don't seem to know Blue at all with some of they're recomendations and some are just pointless and absurd.I have to say unless you in the abyss zones and using atmas 1000 needles is the most ridiculous spell.
 
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 22:49:37
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They were being sarcastic. 1K needles is indeed ***from the moment of its inception. SE was extremely harsh with that spell, only use it had was for cannonball build :x.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 22:51:19
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Then you aren't thinking outside of the cookie cutter options. A lot of different spells are useful in different situations. The one you claim is "useless" is actually useful in quite a bit of special battlefields. Blitzkreig, add-on expansions, ashu talif bcnms etc. Body slam does quite well vs mobs with very low hp/def. In addition to misc (although not often) uses, they can possibly be used for new spell combo's for traits. Bad breath was a useless spell until they made it a trait combo for fast cast (although obsolete now). You don't know what to expect or when you will ever use them. Telling someone who wants to take BLU seriously not to both with all the spells is pretty silly tbh. Even some that you claim are dumb, such as the low level ones, have uses for /blu for stat boosts. Also why I was topic banned and then lifted lolz.

Things people do not do anymore? Obvious unspecific situations? Potential future use?

Oh please get off of it Draylo you have no case.

Says who? I know people who still are private second class in assault and people who do those regularly for gil/automata attachments. There are situational uses for quite a bit of those spells you listed, I am not going into detail about all of them. Use your brain and figure it out, I will do one though "Asuran claws" is currently only spell available for Counter trait.... Also, Amplification on that list...? Are you cerial?
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By Bluban 2011-03-28 22:53:45
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Actually Cannonball sux too except againest special mobs or solo skillschains.Both Quad Con and Goblin Rush used in a solo skillchains land for over 3k easy ^^.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 22:54:26
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Actually Cannonball sux too except againest special mobs or solo skillschains.Both Quad Con and Goblin Rush used in a solo skillchains land for over 3k easy ^^.

No ***... Did you have BLU before 76+ ?
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By Bluban 2011-03-28 23:00:59
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
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Actually Cannonball sux too except againest special mobs or solo skillschains.Both Quad Con and Goblin Rush used in a solo skillchains land for over 3k easy ^^.
No ***... Did you have BLU before 76+ ?


Ah yeah had Blu to 75 the hardway then maybe 6 months or longer because i stopped playing before i tried to get it to 90.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 23:04:25
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Then you aren't thinking outside of the cookie cutter options. A lot of different spells are useful in different situations. The one you claim is "useless" is actually useful in quite a bit of special battlefields. Blitzkreig, add-on expansions, ashu talif bcnms etc. Body slam does quite well vs mobs with very low hp/def. In addition to misc (although not often) uses, they can possibly be used for new spell combo's for traits. Bad breath was a useless spell until they made it a trait combo for fast cast (although obsolete now). You don't know what to expect or when you will ever use them. Telling someone who wants to take BLU seriously not to both with all the spells is pretty silly tbh. Even some that you claim are dumb, such as the low level ones, have uses for /blu for stat boosts. Also why I was topic banned and then lifted lolz.

Things people do not do anymore? Obvious unspecific situations? Potential future use?

Oh please get off of it Draylo you have no case.

Says who? I know people who still are private second class in assault and people who do those regularly for gil/automata attachments. There are situational uses for quite a bit of those spells you listed, I am not going into detail about all of them. Use your brain and figure it out, I will do one though "Asuran claws" is currently only spell available for Counter trait.... Also, Amplification on that list...? Are you cerial?
I do not give a ***


I'm glad sir, although I wouldn't suggest giving BLU advice then.

Edit: Also that is incorrect. The Shantotto Add-on has a part where you fight 3 ninjas that replicate themselves. The clones can be easily dispatched with AOE BLU spells such as frypan, whirl of rage and *gasp* body slam (whirl of rage is best obviously, but this ***was added prior to that).
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-28 23:38:49
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Depends on what you plan on doing with it.

First, any that will proc yellow stagger in abyssea.

For general purpose I usually set Goblin Rush, Hysteric Barrage, Disseverment, and Quad. Continuum for damage, more or less depending on how many blue magic points you have. Can add Vertical Cleave or Vanity Dive if you have room, or even Frenetic Rip. Next is Plenilune Embrace as a heal spell along with Regeneration, a 10/tic regen. Battery Charge (refresh) is another must have. Other good support spells include Dream Flower, a potent aoe sleep, Actinic Burst, an awesome flash which can secure an Utsusemi cast in a pinch, and the ever so useful Cocoon. If you're not subbing nin you could set Occultation for some blink shadows but its high mp cost makes it a little meh. Oh, and Animating Wail, 15% Haste, of course.

Also, I like to set Demoralizing Roar and Acrid Stream, it gives you 10% Double Attack. (Correct me if the percentage is wrong, it deff feels like 10%, couldn't find an exact percentage on the wiki.)
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-28 23:41:17
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Asura.Sandolphon said:

Also, I like to set Demoralizing Roar and Acrid Stream, it gives you 10% Double Attack. (Correct me if the percentage is wrong, it deff feels like 10%, couldn't find an exact percentage on the wiki.)

Empty Trash + Acrid stream, less set points and E thrash is part of dual wield if not /nin and its also decent DD spell.
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-28 23:42:23
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Also, I like to set Demoralizing Roar and Acrid Stream, it gives you 10% Double Attack. (Correct me if the percentage is wrong, it deff feels like 10%, couldn't find an exact percentage on the wiki.)

Empty Trash + Acrid stream, less set points and E thrash is part of dual wield if not /nin and its also decent DD spell.

Oh thanks for the tip! Good to know.
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By Shiva.Darkmacabre 2011-03-28 23:48:46
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Hate to say all of them but, it I will say all of the if not most of them. If you want to enjoy Blu get them... otherwise play some gay *** job that just swings a weapon.

The way I see it is it's like a Smn with only a few avatars.
or a Mnk with Swift Belt.
or a Thf w/o Triple Attack Macros
or a War that uses Steel Cyclone
or a Pup
or a Whm without Curagas
or a Blm w/o trigger spells.


Point is, you don't NEED them but Blu is just one of those jobs that can switch it up here and there. If you ever do BCNMs/KSNMs some older spells are necessary. I also think it's kind of fun to set some "unnecessary spells" in PvP (if you ever do that), or whenever you're just killing ***where no one will really care what spell setup you have.

Doesn't mean be shitty in Abyssea.
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By Bismarck.Pimpjuice 2011-03-28 23:52:06
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
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Actually Cannonball sux too

Has its uses still.
cannon ball is a decent pull spell with a nice range. more mp than pinecone bomb, but it wont sleep the mob.
 
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By Shiva.Darkmacabre 2011-03-29 04:13:45
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I'd actually get Pinecone Bomb still for the simple fact it's the only Non-Elemental Sleep in the game. (Far as I know.)
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-03-29 04:56:47
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Triple attack macros?:P
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By Shiva.Darkmacabre 2011-03-29 05:01:59
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Shiva.Darkmacabre said:
The way I see it is it's like a Smn with only a few avatars.

or a Mnk with Swift Belt.
or a Thf w/o Triple Attack Macros
or a War that uses Steel Cyclone
or a Pup <-----------------
or a Whm without Curagas
or a Blm w/o trigger spells.



I thought at least one person would find this slightly funny. :/
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By Quetzalcoatl.Setsuai 2011-03-29 05:23:22
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The spells I typically have set the most are as follows.

Head Butt
Goblin Rush
Whirl of Rage(Usually just for the stat bonus)
Quad. Continuum
Benthic Typhoon
Delta Thrust
Animating Wail
Occulation
Charged Whisker
Regurgitation
Actinic Burst
Plenilune Embrace
Battery Charge
Regeneration
Winds. of Promy
Dream Flower

And of course spells usually get swapped out as needed for grellow procs. You technically don't have to learn all of the spells, but if your OCD like I am, having a complete spell list isn't a bad thing. Just be prepared to spend lots of time learning certain spells. Make sure you do level Blue Magic skill first, as well as have the AF hands and body on you to boost chances for learning it.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-03-29 05:26:29
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Quetzalcoatl.Setsuai said:
The spells I typically have set the most are as follows.

Head Butt
Goblin Rush
Whirl of Rage(Usually just for the stat bonus)
Quad. Continuum
Benthic Typhoon
Delta Thrust
Animating Wail
Occulation
Charged Whisker
Regurgitation
Actinic Burst
Plenilune Embrace
Battery Charge
Regeneration
Winds. of Promy
Dream Flower

And of course spells usually get swapped out as needed for grellow procs. You technically don't have to learn all of the spells, but if your OCD like I am, having a complete spell list isn't a bad thing. Just be prepared to spend lots of time learning certain spells. Make sure you do level Blue Magic skill first, as well as have the AF hands and body on you to boost chances for learning it.

Body doesnt help you learn it faster, just makes you able to learn them earlier due to the skill+