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final fantasy 7 remake
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-03-23 12:11:04
With how long the games were when Square-Soft were in charge a full-on remake of FF7 is HD glory would probaby fill up 2-3 Blu-Ray discs and take about 4-5 years to make.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:11:38
Fenrir.Fearforever said: With how long the games were when Square-Soft were in charge a full-on remake of FF7 is HD glory would probaby fill up 2-3 Blu-Ray discs and take about 4-5 years to make.
Good lord, just shut it already. Get over it, the company is merged already and plenty of decent games have come out since then. Stop being dumb.
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-23 12:12:13
Alexander.Gib said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Good lord this thread is swimming with mouth breathers.
Quote: Clearly this man is a video game programmer, cause how else would he know that it's so easy!!
I mean SE made games for PS1, 2 and 3! it would probably take them 2 weeks and 20 bucks to make, clearly
I never said anything about how time consuming or costly it would be aside from the fact that cost wouldn't matter. I was comparing what that other guy said was impossible. The leap from 2d to 3d, from snes to DS, isn't that far from a leap from ps1 to ps3... U mad bro?
you saying 'They will make it for PS3/XBox, because they remade a SNES game to DS and it probably just as easy' Shows that your logic is indeed dwarfing ours.
Even though SE themselves said different, clearly you're such a nose breather you know better! I want to say he's trolling us. He's usually not this HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-03-23 12:12:56
Yes i know the company has merged.
I'm making a point that if you compare the game length of FF7 and FF13, FF13 filled up 50Gb of data and thats a short game.
FF7 could easily fill up 100-130Gb in 1080P HD thats a *** load more
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 12:13:29
Alexander.Gib said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Good lord this thread is swimming with mouth breathers.
Quote: Clearly this man is a video game programmer, cause how else would he know that it's so easy!!
I mean SE made games for PS1, 2 and 3! it would probably take them 2 weeks and 20 bucks to make, clearly
I never said anything about how time consuming or costly it would be aside from the fact that cost wouldn't matter. I was comparing what that other guy said was impossible. The leap from 2d to 3d, from snes to DS, isn't that far from a leap from ps1 to ps3... U mad bro?
you saying 'They will make it for PS3/XBox, because they remade a SNES game to DS and it probably just as easy' Shows that your logic is indeed dwarfing ours.
Even though SE themselves said different, clearly you're such a nose breather you know better! i'm not picking one side over the other. but SE is pretty well known for lying to the public, even intentionally as to not give anything away. just saying that "because they said so" is not a valid point.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:13:41
Alexander.Gib said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Good lord this thread is swimming with mouth breathers.
Quote: Clearly this man is a video game programmer, cause how else would he know that it's so easy!!
I mean SE made games for PS1, 2 and 3! it would probably take them 2 weeks and 20 bucks to make, clearly
I never said anything about how time consuming or costly it would be aside from the fact that cost wouldn't matter. I was comparing what that other guy said was impossible. The leap from 2d to 3d, from snes to DS, isn't that far from a leap from ps1 to ps3... U mad bro?
you saying 'They will make it for PS3/XBox, because they remade a SNES game to DS and it probably just as easy' Shows that your logic is indeed dwarfing ours.
Even though SE themselves said different, clearly you're such a nose breather you know better!
Really? Find me that source then cuz' Derge of Cerberus and Crisis Core say otherwise.
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By Bismarck.Torvak 2011-03-23 12:13:46
ppl dont think in unison, without a visionary you'll get bad games. Therefore FF is dead. SE's next great mind wont want to do FF anyway, he/she will have their own ideas and they will be great unless marketing has its way.
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By Fenrir.Fearforever 2011-03-23 12:14:32
Also to an earlier post, they never mentioned that they wouldnt increase the level cap from 75, they just left it there for afew years.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:15:14
Bismarck.Torvak said: ppl dont think in unison, without a visionary you'll get bad games. Therefore FF is dead. SE's next great mind wont want to do FF anyway, he/she will have their own ideas and they will be great unless marketing has its way.
Yet its the same people working on the games? You really think the head of the company looks over ***? He is in charge of the business aspect, not the game making process. Those are the directors.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:15:39
Fenrir.Fearforever said: Also to an earlier post, they never mentioned that they wouldnt increase the level cap from 75, they just left it there for afew years.
Yes they have actually.
By Wafflechan 2011-03-23 12:16:11
I still vote for Valkyrie Profile remake, not jut another dumb rehash on another port. *** FF7
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By Alexander.Gib 2011-03-23 12:16:35
Leviathan.Draylo said:
Really? Find me that source then cuz' Derge of Cerberus and Crisis Core say otherwise.
Cause programing a remake for PS3/XBox has alot to do with a PS2 and PSP game? huh? I guess I had to be there
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 12:17:00
Leviathan.Draylo said: Bismarck.Torvak said: ppl dont think in unison, without a visionary you'll get bad games. Therefore FF is dead. SE's next great mind wont want to do FF anyway, he/she will have their own ideas and they will be great unless marketing has its way.
Yet its the same people working on the games? You really think the head of the company looks over ***? He is in charge of the business aspect, not the game making process. Those are the directors. "business aspect" has a huge impact on what you make, how you make it and when you make it. the public interest or following what the company has done, holds little ground when it comes to what they'll do.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:17:13
You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think?
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-03-23 12:17:30
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-23 12:18:19
Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:18:50
Alexander.Gib said: Leviathan.Draylo said:
Really? Find me that source then cuz' Derge of Cerberus and Crisis Core say otherwise.
Cause programing a remake for PS3/XBox has alot to do with a PS2 and PSP game? huh? I guess I had to be there
Guess so, get on it.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 12:18:51
Leviathan.Draylo said: Fenrir.Fearforever said: Also to an earlier post, they never mentioned that they wouldnt increase the level cap from 75, they just left it there for afew years.
Yes they have actually. indeed. if they didn't straight out say it. then they made it apparent somehow. i always figured it would happen, but they pushed that it wouldn't. again, it's not a big surprise that SE would lie about something to hide from the public.
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By Alexander.Gib 2011-03-23 12:19:05
Fairy.Spence said: NEEDS MOAR EARTHBOUNDS!
I second that, BRING BACK SCRATCH AND SNIFF GAMEPLAY!
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:19:29
Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P
looool, yet they do multiple games at the same time even reusing the same staff.
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By Alexander.Gib 2011-03-23 12:22:17
Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P of course it wouldn't you do know that Photoshop has a 'Make HD Better' Filter, import and the model goes from
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every nose breather knows that!
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-23 12:22:56
Leviathan.Draylo said: Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P
looool, yet they do multiple games at the same time even reusing the same staff. Yeah but they can't just make infinite games, thats absurd and an FFVII remake would be a huge project. Alot of other things would get shunned, I'm sure of it. A full HD game isn't something you can make on the side. This gen is what, like 6 years old, 7? And how many HD games has SE made? Nier, FFXIII, Star Ocean IV, FFXIV...and thats it right? I might be missing one or two. But pretty much less than one game a year. But compare that to their DS and PSP titles...theyve made alot more of those. If they made an FFVII remake I have no doubt that another big name release would be pushed back.
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By Bismarck.Torvak 2011-03-23 12:23:57
Not on about the companys directors. They just allow or dont allow lead designers to flourish, same as the marketing fools.
Point is do you want another sequel or a truly original game.
Hell i'll take Katamari damacy over FF7remake/FF15 anyday.
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By Asura.Sandolphon 2011-03-23 12:24:44
Alexander.Gib said: Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P of course it wouldn't you do know that Photoshop has a 'Make HD Better' Filter, import and the model goes from
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every nose breather knows that! oh thats right, silly me. How could I forget that?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:26:17
Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Asura.Sandolphon said: Leviathan.Draylo said: You seem to think that because they would start on a remake of FF7 it will halt all other game developing... please don't tell me that is what you think? You seem to think it would have no effect on other game development...please don't tell me that is what you think? :P
looool, yet they do multiple games at the same time even reusing the same staff. Yeah but they can't just make infinite games, thats absurd and an FFVII remake would be a huge project. Alot of other things would get shunned, I'm sure of it. A full HD game isn't something you can make on the side. This gen is what, like 6 years old, 7? And how many HD games has SE made? Nier, FFXIII, Star Ocean IV, FFXIV...and thats it right? I might be missing one or two. But pretty much less than one game a year. But compare that to their DS and PSP titles...theyve made alot more of those. If they made an FFVII remake I have no doubt that another big name release would be pushed back.
If they make a profit, it doesn't matter what it takes from. It's a sad excuse to a reason as to why they shouldn't remake FF7.
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By Sylph.Haxorking 2011-03-23 12:28:48
Remaking FF7 and making a new FF game from scratch would be approximately the same amount of work. At this point the question becomes "Would we make more profit from a remake of ff7 or an entirely new FF?". I don't have a PhD in business, marketing, or accounting so I couldn't tell you the answer to that. That being said, unless you have that degree and happen to work for SE you shouldn't be making claims about their financial position.
Note: Businesses don't actually care what you think or feel, they just want to make money. They'll always choose the path of most profit
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By Asura.Projekt 2011-03-23 12:28:53
Watching Wafflechan try to get peoples attention by quoting his own post about FF7 vs. Valk.Profile, and yet another mention of Valk.Profile has made this thread worthwhile, been laughing hard at the failed troll attempt.
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2011-03-23 12:29:52
The biggest problem I see is:
1) Unlike earlier FF's, FF7 had a very complex license and the IP is shared among various companies and port teams in multiple countries, many of whom no longer exist.
2) Almost all of the original artwork, videos, models, scenery, source code, etc has been lost, so there is no reference material and the game would have to be remade from scratch.
3) Fans can't decide what a "remake" even means.
They "remade" FF4 and FF6 by re-releasing the existing game with all the original graphics and a few cut-scenes added. They "remade" FF1 + 2 by redoing some of the existing sprites. Both of these were remakes to extremely cheap platforms to develop for (iOS, etc) and had remake budgets of only several hundred thousand dollars.
Neither would be within the realm of what fans want for a FF7 "remake," which tends to sound like a complete rewrite of the engine and all new 3D assets to current generation standards. Which would be about the same cost of just developing a brand new game, without the capacity to make as much.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-03-23 12:30:11
Sylph.Haxorking said: Remaking FF7 and making a new FF game from scratch would be approximately the same amount of work. At this point the question becomes "Would we make more profit from a remake of ff7 or an entirely new FF?". I don't have a PhD in business, marketing, or accounting so I couldn't tell you the answer to that. That being said, unless you have that degree and happen to work for SE you shouldn't be making claims about their financial position.
No.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-23 12:30:43
I'm not choosing one side over the other.
Let's look here, FF7 fans are only pushing this because there's been so much hype about it, and it's what they want.
Others are saying it won't happen because it's too much work for the money, and SE clearly stated that it won't happen.
SE has the resources and money to do whatever they want.
I'm convinced that they want to make as much money as possible.
FF7 still sells the way it is, so if this was a possibility, it's no where near the time.
As for them clearing stating that it wouldn't happen, if you've ever read any news posted from SE, you know this holds no ground. They are known to be deceiving on purpose. Just like in their games, they don't want you to know.
As for the difficulty in a revamp.
They could do it, I have no doubts of that. At the current time though, I don't think it would make the most of the future aspects of it. The difference between remaking a game 20 years old from the NES to now, is not the same as remaking a game from the PS1 to now (Regardless if it's 20 years or 40.) NES vs DS/PSP are a MUCH larger gap. Not only are you making something old, relevant again, but you're addressing old and new customers. Right now, the people that loved FF7 before, would be the same people that love FF7 in a remake.
It's not an impossibility, but right now is certainly not the time.
if they keep on track of 20 aniversery thing ff7 will be remade with in next 5-6 years lol
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