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Ukko's Fury Setup
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-07-23 15:21:44
are your stats comparing differences? ugh. makes it so hard.
there are other neck options for not capping ddex
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-07-23 15:27:09
They're the variance between the sets, yes. Sorry if that complicates it for you. Helps my mind organize.
And yeah, you're right. That DEX would have to be the last few DEX you need for it to beat Nefarious though.
By Kaerin 2012-07-24 03:48:03
Outside Abyssea if this set caps your dDEX, use it:
Anything beyond this set and the normal set with a lower crit rate is going to win, as was demonstrated like 40 pages ago when it was first brought up.
I'm sure there will be new gear added of course, and hopefully some contributes to this being better.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-07-24 04:03:03
When it was first brought up, with base DEX being 12 points lower. Sorry for asking?
I'm still interested in opinions or insights.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-07-24 04:13:36
Probably a damn good build to use in NNI now atleast
By Kaerin 2012-07-24 07:45:47
When it was first brought up, with base DEX being 12 points lower. Sorry for asking?
I'm still interested in opinions or insights.
12 DEX merits just increases its available times of usefulness. They really need to add some new gear for it to get better, like an 8 str/dex necklace would be awesome, stuff like that. But this set actually doesn't gain much in average damage compared to the normal Ukkos set, unless you gain huge crit rate with it. Once you need to give up more of your 'damage' gear for 'dex' gear the gains start to drop off.
The main problem is that Ukkos gear mostly isnt just like STR/ATT gear, a lot of it does other stuff. Like you cant give up the hat for 12 str/dex found on Drachenhorn, (and only those stats, because anything you can cap dDEX on you will pretty much always be attack capped on) because AF3+2 hat has 8 STR, 3 crit rate and 4 DA. That 3 crit and 4 da will do more than the DEX crit increase will give. It won't if you just look at each piece individually, but when you examine the entire set together, and you end up giving up like 4% crit, 20 STR, 7 DA, just to gain 15 crit, the 15 crit ends up not being better, largely due to how much crit rate Ukkos has to start off with (like 40-55%~ at 100 TP depending on gear) unless you can give up less to get it. At most you could maybe switch out 1 more thing, like adding a 7 DEX ring, and it could still end up being better, but it wouldn't be much of an increase over using the normal Ukkos set.
Long winded, but I hope you understand.
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By Kaerin 2012-07-24 09:03:39
Hey, remember when I said this?
A week or so ago the augment on them was found, and I managed to overlook that fact until just now.
They get Critical hit damage +10%, which is what the WAR AF3+2 shoes have on them. So provided you can get these shoes, they are now your full-time Ukkos Fury shoes.
For TPing purposes, if youre not getting retaliations in, and you gain any benefit from the STR/ATT you should be wearing them for TP as well, but I won't be pushing this, as that probably wont ever happen, and they probably look stupid with AF3+2 pants. I'll comment about this aspect at a later time when I manage to buy a pair, and if anyone see's them for sale let me know, I'm probably willing to server jump a mule for these. All that aside though, there's probably to many probablys in this argument.
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By Bismarck.Stani 2012-07-25 00:29:00
What's the augment on those hands?
Edit: Haste, obv
By Thanzo187 2012-07-25 13:17:24
So, this looked like the only place to post this.'
Should a Ukon war aim for a 5 hit build at all?
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By Fenrir.Minjo 2012-07-25 13:20:42
Outside of high SaveTP scenarios, stick with a 6-hit.
By Thanzo187 2012-07-25 14:38:30
ok cool just wondering didn't want to hunt down ogiers gloves. Just to get the 39 stp for a 5 hit thanks
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 18:03:50
Collar question here. I picked up a rancor mantle and ditched the collar. Would Aga collar work or should I stick with Ravengers?? Would like one I can could full time due to inventory space. Nevermind, need use my thunder gorget for WS.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-07-25 18:07:18
Not sure why you would ditch the collar
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 18:08:39
I heard it does stack with mantle. Does it now??
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-07-25 18:09:49
No it doesn't stack with mantle, but you're losing attack and double attack not sticking with Atheling / collar, right?
I don't deal in Ukons :x
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 18:13:13
Was thinking rancor mantle/ thunder gorget for WSing in.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-07-25 18:15:00
No but it sounds like you got rid of the collar, which you should still be TP'ing in.
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-07-25 18:15:24
Rancor collar is still your best TP phase neck piece
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 18:17:48
Thanks guys for the advice. Should I sell my mantle or keep it with thunder gorget for WSing in??
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By Sylph.Binckry 2012-07-25 18:21:45
If you looked at a page/few pages back, pretty much all Ukko's fury sets have Rancor Mantle on.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 18:24:40
Cool, thank you. Was hoping to clear out some space. But that's not happening, lol.
By Thanzo187 2012-07-25 19:15:35
Quick question. I don't have acess to Wotg or Whitegate earring, should I do +3 str or go with ghillie earring. I have like 111+67 str with current setup. I use Af3+2 helm over mekira. Also i'm using Ele belt and gorget, it seems to give me better numbers on Ukko's than with just ele gorget. I'll post my gear set soon. Also with hasso up I have +74 str
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-25 20:23:03
Outside Abby go with STR . Just for WSing though.
By Kaerin 2012-07-26 06:43:29
Bloodbathboy, if you really want to save inventory space, try really hard to get portus Collar.
Then just use it with rancorous mantle when you can take +10% damage during TP, use Atheling when you cant, and WS in thunder gorget+rancorous. Thats 2 spaces for each slot, and you wont be losing all that much honestly, 3 ACC and 3 ATT for TP at most, and nothing during WS.
should I do +3 str or go with ghillie earring?
I'd get Ghillie+1 and Ravagers earringn and depending only on ACC needs use whichever was better, until you can get moonshade, since you need to carry both of those around forever as it stands right now. A 3 or 4 STR earring is never best in slot for WAR right now, so its a waste of gil/inventory. Also, if you dont have WoTG which it sorta sounds like from your post, you can get the abyssea complete collection with every expansion right now for $12 on Steam, or you can buy it separately for $10 off the SE account management page if its the only thing youre missing.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-07-26 06:53:06
Thanks so much again for the great advice !!
By Thanzo187 2012-07-26 23:46:34
I do have wotg, but those CS"s are pretty boring. anyways how much STR should anyone even aim for?. Atleast for vw, I'm an elvaan with Full Str merits so I have like 111+61 with hasso down +68 up. That is also with ogiers pant's, now with Warrior relic +2 I sit at +78 hasso up and +71 hasso down. Also I have like +10 dbl atk in WS gear which is a total of 20% no?. 10 trait 10 gear or am I wrong?. Also windbuffet is it really that great since it doesn't proc all the time, or would I be better off with Ele belt or wanion belt?. sorry completely new to Ukko war. Would Anguinus belt even be good at this point since I have a decent amount of DA?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-07-27 02:03:23
Your total amount of STR does'nt matter.
The total set that you weaponskill in does, and it depends highly on what you fight.
Trait is +10 DA yeah, but merits make it 15.
Should post your full current set and then let people have a go at that piece by piece if needed
By Thanzo187 2012-07-27 14:09:36
This is pretty much my WS set, I swap in ogier pants when acc is needed and mekira when bonus is up. I am aware the TP bonus earring is better, I don't have acess to it yet. Windbuffet i'll buy as soon as I have the dough for it. Also i've talked to other warriors, Apparently i'm not the only one who has random ***damage on Ukkos. Like I did vwnm Iga and my Ukkos was constantly doing 3k+, Then there was the randomly doing ***damage like 1k 1.5k same buffs up. According to a parser there I didn't miss a hit, I've also noticed it in abyssea.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-07-27 14:13:35
High spikes = multi-attack procs and critical hits.
Low #s = not
It's a crit ws, so you can't really expect the same number time after time.
Rancor mantle + ws gorget + windbuffet belt
or
Atheling mantle + rancor collar + ws belt (this offers more acc)
Think that's what you wanna use in those slots, unless things changed recently.
Also Avant legs +1 when you don't need acc instead of af2+2
By Thanzo187 2012-07-27 14:56:10
so is nefarious neck no good at all?
Hello, i'm almost halfway on my ukon so i just started thinkin about some possible WS sets, but well, i'm not sure what i should build, STR or DA Crit ecc.
Any suggestion is appreciated ^-^
1st set mainly focused on str could be like this :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205175
2nd set with some more DA Crit% and Crit dmg :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205179
i'm also thinkin about Twilight helm and Ares's flanchard
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