Ukko's Fury Setup

He is correct. It is the standard "win" formula for TPing.

Avant+1 or Phorcys hands when restraint is down.
Valk set is best unless you need the accuracy, since it's 3% TA instead of 3% DA and also gains 10 attack.

What about armada + Oneiros ring ?

Better.. but why do you have MP?

Hp matters, MP merits are bad, Bullwhip belt is bad. I die enough without those things, and dead melees do no damage. But if you really want to, you could get MP merits and use Arrabattia or whatever with Valk body to keep 6 hit, or drop Mars's in the Armada set for it.

EDIT::::
Misuuchi Kappa instead of Atheling mantle for the Valk set could potentially work too, instead of changing food.

I was just wondering if it would beat valkyrie set when accuracy doesn't matter,running out of thing to do, considering 99 ukon.

I'll go for mp merit, I understand your point with dying ect I just don't agree with it.

Also kappa is sam/nin/mnk onry.

Well, 150HP is doing more for you than a 1% (2% if you don't have Valkyrie's) increase in damage.

Oh, I didn't look, someone just mentioned it on skype so I edited the post and included it. NVM on it then!


If you're running out of stuff to do, you could always make a conqueror, that would take forever and keep you entertained for at least an hour a day running salvage!

I'm really considering a mythic too, not sure wich atm, I'd have to look more into them to decide, most like gkt or ryu if I pick one.

Anyway, gonna wait a few days/weeks till I decide for my next goal wich will most likely be ukon 99, ragnarok 99 or a mythic.

Thanks for letting us know.

what about ghillie +1 vs ravager's earring? never seen anyone mention it yet

Well, I've been trying to work out some things based on this information.

I have another meta-question first, though: how reliable is the spreadsheet? I get the impression that folks base most of the gear decisions in this thread off of it but I'm still getting contradictory information and having trouble replicating the results in this thread. I'm still trying to figure out ideal gear for Rex and Alima.

The main thing I'm seeing is that the Faz set with either pizza or sushi appears to perform competitively compared to the sets considered ideal throughout this thread. I don't know if it's because I'm a spreadsheet noob or what but here are my observations. I would appreciate it if someone could reproduce or refute what I'm seeing. The only abnormal thing I did was add 4 STP to allow the first sets to be a "sloppy" 6-hit, based on Leonlionheart's comments.

Mob stats (assumption): Level 121, def 616, eva 533, agi 132, vit 132.

Buffs: Haste, 2x March, Hasso, Restraint up, Miser/Coercion (in this case), 19% Chaos Roll, Stalwart's, Berserk, Aggressor. I'm truncating other buff configurations that I tested (results were similar) from this post for brevity but I can post anything that's requested. All gear tested has the best augments available (valk TA 3%, acc+10, etc).

Sole Sushi based sets:
WS average damage 1537, DPS 325.589.

TP
WS

Pizza+1 based sets:
WS average damage 1555, DPS 329.710.

TP
WS
(Edit: Fixed item set.)

Note: I tried RCB too but it seemed to perform miserably here, with only 1531 WS and 287 DPS total, after favorably swapping legs to Ogier's (ignoring multihit wsd investigation) and body to Armadaberk.

This puts the second sets at a 1.2% advantage over the first ones which is a far smaller difference than I expected based on what I've seen in this thread. Removing Chaos roll and changing nothing else actually puts the first sets ahead by 2 DPS.

What do you guys think?

If the 3 ACC gives 1% Hit rate, it will win.
And I'm pretty sure it was only mentioned in reference to the max accuracy set.




When people talk about ideal gear sets, unless they say they're aimed at VW, they're not aimed at VW. They're based on being outside abyssea, and hitting stuff to gain TP and then WSing, and don't include things like random amounts of regain or save tp or any of the other VW stuff. This is most likely why you're getting contradictory results.

As for how good the spreadsheet is, It's ok to use to get a good idea of how well something will do, but since it doesn't show you how it arrives at those numbers, there's no way for you to check for errors, or ask others to check for errors. So if it's something you really care about, and the results are close, I would suggest mathing it out yourself. Other than in that one instance, I would say it's ok to just trust the spreadsheet since theyre pretty decent and updated regularly.

Just undo the nerf and give us back our numbers please!!

Well for one, if you're low accuracy, you shouldn't be WS'ing in Mekira or Windbuffet, and you can use Rajas in that same sense. Shouldn't use Heca in those situations either unless they have an accuracy augment.

What mobs are these accuracy sets for? Legion?

I'm not really sure, the only thing I would ever use that ACC set for that I know of is that stupid colibri in TOA VW.

I use

this set for Rex and Ig and my ACC parses capped/almost capped using red curry buns, while Ukon is equipped, it drops if I change weapons to something shitty.

You'd probably need about 15 more Accuracy in that set with Aggressor down to remain capped (though most fights won't last longer than 6mins anyways); the sole sushi sets further up seem entirely obscure.

Hmm, the responses went in a few different directions so forgive me if I don't thoroughly answer each of them.

If I had to summarize, this would be the underlying theory in my post:
It seems like changing food to increase accuracy enables one to use gear that's not possible in otherwise low accuracy situations, thereby making some sets viable that thus far haven't been mentioned in this thread.

I didn't pull that out of my ***, though, or seek it explicitly. I was testing the sets in this thread in the spreadsheet with VW buffs and guestimated stats for Rex/Alima. Then I noticed that changing to Pizza in the "ideal" sets helped DPS. Then I started trying to add in other stats since accuracy was above the cap and the Faz set (along with heca hands, windbuffet, etc) started to look pretty nice.

My impression is that these results contradict most of the recommendations here which is why I asked about the reliability of the spreadsheet and criticism/reproduction of my methods.

Thanks.

What are best/good Atmacite combinations now in VW? Only missing the T2 Atmacites atm from ToA and CoP so wondering which is now worth to Upgrate to max to use on WAR.

Atm i only have Dicipline/Coercion/Provwatcherone to max but especially the SaveTP one seems more and more pointless cause latly all COR's do Choas/Fightersroll.. if there is a COR at all. When i am on COR i allways do Choas/Miser but dunno why so many others refuse to do Miser now in VW D:

If Ogier's breeches really are first hit only, how would that put them up vs avant+1 ? (assuming no need for acc)

FYI, turning off all buffs brought my results back in line with this thread, which means the stuff I said is restricted to VW with those buffs while fighting mobs with those stats (if they're even accurate for Rex/Alima). Thanks for clarifying!

Ogiers are only useful for PDT sets, and if you really need accuracy now.

Hecatomb+1 and Avant+1 both have their areas where they're #1, but it depends on other factors, namely crit rate, and if you're using Heca+1 or Phorcys hands, and if the DEX on Heca+1 adds any crit rate.

Honestly at this point, I would just say to use whichever you have and wait for testing on Ogier, or go do the testing yourself =3

Then surely war legs +2 isn't far off either?
15 attack Vs 1DA and increase DA damage. With the war+2 legs getting stronger the more DA you can squeeze in like Phorcys hands and ravagers head +2.
This is to say if ogier's only work on first hit.

The extra 1% DA is like a .5% damage increase, and the 3% DA damage that only applies to DA hits is really going to be like a .4%~ damage increase overall. So for those I'd say only when you use Warriors charge before WSing or when attack is capped.

Is there any testing on ogier's / phorcys korazin if they affect first hit or not? All this speculation is annoying as *** and honestly it makes less sense that it would only affect first hit.

Only data I've seen so far has been inconclusive

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108199-Random-Facts-Thread-Other?p=5169536&viewfull=1#post5169536

Starts around here somewhere, but I wouldn't say there's anything conclusive about Phorcys/Ogiers/Shura hat/etc. Not that I in-depthly read the whole thing, but the parts I read didn't use terms to specify that the actual answer was for sure 100% known.

EDIT: The WS gorgets/belts only work for the first hit and use the same wording.

for certain ws? lolwat

For every WS except a few specific new ones that were added. A good 95% of them the WS gorgets/belts only affect the first hit.