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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-04-21 05:27:17
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Ramuh.Yarly said: »
So... ogier/phorcys isn't only first hit?

This, anybody figure anything more out?

Edit: Got Ukon a few days ago, would just like some quick feedback on a few sets.
These are just low-acc sets, so no need to worry about accuracy.


TP Restraint up.
Restraint down I just use War. Mufflers +2 instead, until I can get my hands on Phorcys.
Also, Shadow Breastplate have TA+2 augment*


Ukko's fury.
Mekira-oto +1 when it's active.
And now for the proper question, as far as earrings go, I know my lear slot is really weak, but don't really wanna cash out big for a str+4 earring.
So, until I unlazy and get tp bonus moonshade, would Ravager, Light earring with crit+1 or a str+2 earring be best?

Also, I know my spiral ring is really gimp, and I'll see if I cba to upgrade that.
Using spiral for inventory management atm, as it works great for my DRK and BLU.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-21 11:36:44
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Rancor Collar is obviously a better option for TP. I know some are still skeptical with using it, so whatever.

Can't really see anything aside from what you pointed out unless you want to spend gil on a Phos belt. Ogier's are inferior to Avant +1 if the first hit only bit is actually true (no reason to believe it isn't, to be honest..).
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-04-21 11:55:18
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How, or rather where does a pair of Bellicus cuisses (with 3acc +2% Crit. rate, +2% WS Dmg) fit in the list between Ogier, Avant+1, Heca+1?

I have yet to get a pair of Ogier or N.Legs Abj. (I've had the -1 in storage for a year now..) but I could go for Avant +1.

I'm assuming Bellicus would still retain some value inside aby but i'm hardly ever on WAR in there anyways. I'm not sure about its value outside.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2012-04-21 12:22:34
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The question is is Bellicus the same as ogier/phorcys.
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By Kaerin 2012-04-21 12:39:25
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Ogier's are inferior to Avant +1 if the first hit only bit is actually true (no reason to believe it isn't, to be honest..).

4 or 5 pages ago, before people thought 3% WSD was only applied to the first hit:

Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
As of now, ogier > heca +1 > avant +1.

So back to Hecatomb+1 then~

@Kvazz
I'd suggest Nefarious Collar when you can't use Rancor, if 3 Crit beats 2 DA on grip, you'd have to follow that it also beats it for neck as well. Agasaya's collar if you need a bit more accuracy and can't use Rancor.

I think the first things I'd work on if I were you was Armadaberk and a Valk body if at all possible for you. WS and Restraint down gloves can be switched for Phorcys. And Obviously, Phos belt, Mekira hat+1, N legs+1, 7 STR ring, Moonshade earring are upgrades, and you'll need a Mars's ring to go with your Armadaberk set. You're pretty close to being super awesome though! Only have 5 or 6 more things to get!
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-04-21 12:52:30
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Quetzalcoatl.Neisan said: »
The question is is Bellicus the same as ogier/phorcys.

The question then could become, is any of the WS Dmg+ gear out in the game (AMK hat, Shura +1 etc) like Ogier/Phorcys? D:
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-04-21 12:53:28
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Fairly sure that I'll stick to NQ pbody and ebody, got like 30 tatters for ebody around, but idk if I wanna use them on my NQ (currently str+3 da+1 :P) or go for another adj and get HQ.
But my ls stopped doing einherjar so no more freelot ebodies, so I might just lazy it up and try to get good augments on my nq.

I'll probably buy a Nefarious collar when I find one for a resaonable price, but most of the time I'll end up using rancor, I just don't really like to keep it as standard in my sets :P
Explained why I currently wont buy a str+7 ring, and that I'm working on tp bonus moonshade(or that I will be, atleast :D)
As for phos belt, will be a sidegrade so not high on my list atm!
So nlegs with perfect augments are better than Ogier?

Also, someone answer my lolearring problem :< :p
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-04-21 12:57:15
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I'd use Ravager's and save 1 extra inventory slot!
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-04-21 12:58:31
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Odin.Sheelay said: »
I'd use Ravager's and save 1 extra inventory slot!

I have the other two around for lolwarrior's charge-ukko anyways
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By Kaerin 2012-04-21 13:00:20
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Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Odin.Sheelay said: »
I'd use Ravager's and save 1 extra inventory slot!

I have the other two around for lolwarrior's charge-ukko anyways

Toss the others, buy a 7 STR ring to take their inventory space.

EDIT:::

It's totally worth 7m to gain 75 HP!
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By Leviathan.Haberym 2012-04-21 13:06:07
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Would buy that for 7m, Speed Belts are non-existent and when you find one its easily 6m+ and Scarlet Kadife is never on AH.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-04-21 13:54:20
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Kaerin said: »
@Kvazz
I'd suggest Nefarious Collar when you can't use Rancor, if 3 Crit beats 2 DA on grip, you'd have to follow that it also beats it for neck as well.

Isn't the big reason Crit grip beats DA grip because you can't change grips on ws?
 
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By Kaerin 2012-04-21 15:27:32
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Bismarck.Altar said: »
Isn't the big reason Crit grip beats DA grip because you can't change grips on ws?

It's mainly because you have less Crit rate than DA (during TP phase) and 3 is a bigger number than 2. In abyssea its because of all the crit damage+ you have. If they were both 2 or both 3 it would be different.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Seveth 2012-04-21 15:51:23
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What is the spellcast rule for equipping Mekira-oto +1 on the corresponding days? Can't seem to find it...
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-04-21 15:56:43
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Quetzalcoatl.Seveth said: »
What is the spellcast rule for equipping Mekira-oto +1 on the corresponding days? Can't seem to find it...

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<if spell="Ukko's Fury" notbuffactive="Berserk" advanced='"%DayElement" = "Light" OR "%DayElement" = "Thunder" OR "%DayElement" = "Wind"'>
			<equip when="precast">
			<head lock="yes">Mekira-oto +1</head>
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-22 01:48:39
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Wouldn't "%DayElement" = "Light|Thunder|Wind" be better for simplicity?

And the idea is to be using it when you are either not attack capped or the fTP bonus is active. That rule isn't going to do exactly that, but it'll work for lazy people. You'd have to use variables with attack toggles or something of the variety if you wanted to actually use it appropriately.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis 2012-04-22 01:55:43
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Wouldn't "%DayElement" = "Light|Thunder|Wind" be better for simplicity?

And the idea is to be using it when you are either not attack capped or the fTP bonus is active. That rule isn't going to do exactly that, but it'll work for lazy people. You'd have to use variables with attack toggles or something of the variety if you wanted to actually use it appropriately.
Do we not get the bonus on Firesday?

It's been a while since I last looked at this, and when I did, people were still questioning it...

Have we determined for sure if the get the bonus on all four light based days?

Thanks!
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By Gimpness 2012-04-22 02:12:48
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so wait :3

does the ws damage bonus on ogier's legs and phorcys body only work on the first hit? and if so... that makes avant +1 better than ogier's, yes?
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-22 02:37:19
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Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis said: »
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Wouldn't "%DayElement" = "Light|Thunder|Wind" be better for simplicity?

And the idea is to be using it when you are either not attack capped or the fTP bonus is active. That rule isn't going to do exactly that, but it'll work for lazy people. You'd have to use variables with attack toggles or something of the variety if you wanted to actually use it appropriately.
Do we not get the bonus on Firesday?

It's been a while since I last looked at this, and when I did, people were still questioning it...

Have we determined for sure if the get the bonus on all four light based days?

Thanks!

Huh? It's not Light element based, it's a light skillchain with Fragmentation properties, meaning it's Light and decomposes to Thunder and Wind (and Wind again).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis 2012-04-22 02:42:14
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis said: »
Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Wouldn't "%DayElement" = "Light|Thunder|Wind" be better for simplicity?

And the idea is to be using it when you are either not attack capped or the fTP bonus is active. That rule isn't going to do exactly that, but it'll work for lazy people. You'd have to use variables with attack toggles or something of the variety if you wanted to actually use it appropriately.
Do we not get the bonus on Firesday?

It's been a while since I last looked at this, and when I did, people were still questioning it...

Have we determined for sure if the get the bonus on all four light based days?

Thanks!

Huh? It's not Light element based, it's a light skillchain with Fragmentation properties, meaning it's Light and decomposes to Thunder and Wind (and Wind again).
Maybe I was thinking another WS? I don't know. Like I said, it's been a while since I looked at it. Anyway, thanks for the clarification. =]
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis 2012-04-22 02:58:58
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Help me to understand, I think I may be missing something...

Ok, It's a light/frag ws. According to the chart on BG, Fire/Wind/Light/Lightning day all have Light properties.

I can clearly see where the Lightning and Windsday come from with the Fragmentation, and why Light day is included because it's a Light ws, but then why is Firesday excluded (lvl3 property Light)? I think this is what I was confused about before.

Thanks ^^;
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-04-22 03:05:21
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Eh, I suppose I see what you're saying. I'm pretty sure it doesn't, but I'm honestly not entirely sure. I could test it tomorrow. (You could test it yourself if you want; hop on the test server, grab a Farsha and check Cloudsplitter on Earthsday and Watersday.)
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-04-22 03:16:57
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I'm fairly certain they tested Mekira or Athos to not decompose Light itself, and only the actual SC properties (Frag)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis 2012-04-22 03:18:52
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Lakshmi.Rearden said: »
I'm fairly certain they tested Mekira or Athos to not decompose Light itself, and only the actual SC properties (Frag)
I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I would just like to see WHERE this was tested ^^;
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-04-22 03:42:18
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Ahhhh I think this still needs to be tested, because I remember that Dasva didn't actually test the Lv3 property and while it was mentioned when testing Athos, I don't think anyone ever followed up.

Athos however, is decomposed SC elements only.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-04-22 04:49:52
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Fenrir.Jinjo said: »
Wouldn't "%DayElement" = "Light|Thunder|Wind" be better for simplicity?

And the idea is to be using it when you are either not attack capped or the fTP bonus is active. That rule isn't going to do exactly that, but it'll work for lazy people. You'd have to use variables with attack toggles or something of the variety if you wanted to actually use it appropriately.

eh, you could Light|Thunder|Wind instead, was mostly just regurgitating the rule from several pages ago. Doesn't hurt either way. I've personally always kept day/weather elements separate DDD:::

And that's true, which is why the original person who had posted that rule made it with notbuffactive="Berserk", I suppose. Although it'll work for lazy people, anyone who truly wants to use it appropriately can remove the berserk part, and then make separate berserk up/down rules. Regardless, this will work for the days when its fTP bonus is activated.
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By mortontony1 2012-04-22 21:18:55
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Is it possible to make a 6 hit with Pho's belt over goading without sacrificing much/anything?
 
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-04-22 21:21:45
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Get Phorcys head and Adaberk, sure.
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