Ukko's Fury Setup

Okay, thread is reopened--If you couldn't tell already, I'm quickly losing patience for arguments in threads many users frequent for useful information and advice.

I will not hesitate to topicban both parties the next time it occurs, no matter who you are.

Looks like you had fun there, Anye. :x

Loads! :D

Thanks Anye. I think the important thing to learn here is no matter who is "right" or "wrong" most of the time its best for at least one party to just say what they need to, agree to disagree, and move on. Doing so would causes cases like this to happen much less often.

People will choose to believe what they want, despite facts/data etc. All you can do is show it and then let them make up their mind.

That type of personal policy can be dangerous. Most readers, particularly the less informed ones, have a habit of placing greater trust in the party with the largest following. Ironically enough, it's these readers, who will have trouble discerning the validity of something asserted by a minority, that stand to gain or lose the most from the information presented. If, for instance, a poster has presented an unpopular yet entirely valid point that is subsequently rejected by a substantial enough gathering(followed by rate ups toward the opposition- one of the predominant reasons the system should not exist), the uninformed reader is much more likely to discard it.

When it comes to matters like this, forums are akin to scientific journals. Those qualified are entitled to undertake peer revision, which includes definitively debunking the falsities of less than supported rebuttals. Sometimes just speaking one's piece and walking away just doesn't cut it, and if a poster refuses to support their assertion in an appropriate manner for whatever reason, action should be taken to insure that they're no longer permitted to participate.

Not the place to be discussing this--But let's be realistic: This is a gaming community, not a scientific community; validity isn't exactly "serious business".

That said, my responsibility is--as I've stated before--to enforce the forum rules, not validate each user's claims and penalize them based on how substantiated they are. It is neither my responsibility, nor yours, to ensure that everyone is "properly informed." This isn't a popularity contest in which the users with the highest following gains the most respect and credibility--though, arguably, it really is--but I'm definitely not going to be instrumental in that.

Because in the end, elevating the claims of certain users will eventually devalue the opinions of other users, and discourage the variety of opinions a community is wont to have. I want to avoid this at all costs.

Anyways--let's stop this here, and continue the original discussion. Thanks.

Well then, could someone tell me what is optimal in Neo-Nyzul?

Inafterthelock



Edit: Awwww my pic seems to be gone :(

Come on guys!! Please stop fighting. I suck at sets and need the advice here. Please get along!! Also, those contributing to the thread. Thank you!! Everyone here has good points and preferences. Can we just keep it at that. Please??

This is one of those times where I feel like taking some logic and psychology classes should be mandatory.

Hm. Barring potential crit builds for the fodder mobs I'd go with Ejin's setup posted previously, not too many slots that really change with Ratio cap just yet.



Actually... Phorcys hands add an additional 2 STR via set bonus, so 3 STR 2% DA vs 4% critdmg. They should be equivalent (<0.2% difference) at capped Ratio with Phorcys obviously pulling ahead when uncapped.

How does Nefarious come into play hear? Really cheap atm, and I am wondering if I should snag one before it climbs again.

Vulcan's Pearl. Of the two you mentioned, Ravager's.Not worthwhile.

Can't like hard enough.

What Nights really saying here is that my set for outside Abyssea when you can't easily cap dDEX is the correct one to use.

Why you gotta do this?

Someone ask what was best, I was correcting the misinformation posted earlier in the thread about what gear to use. That's what the thread is for, talking about gear sets, someone ask what is best, so that's what I was answering. Why are you acting like it's a bad thing that I did it? I mean, you need rajas ring in your WS set to maintain a 6 hit with any of the TP sets recognized as the better TP sets. Well, I shouldn't say that, if your E body has 6 STP and you use it with rajas, brutal, /sam and something else with 5 STP, like Phorcys hat or Goading belt, you might not need to WS in rajas, I'm unsure since I never did the math for that particular build as my Armadaberk only has 5 STP and it doesn't directly interest me or have any bearing on anything I would be doing.

Quickie question

Rancor collar no longer valid as a neck piece for ukko's?

im seeing lots of people using breeze, i mustve missed the change a while back or something.

Rancor is still a valid ws option. The improvement came out when Windbuffet belt and rancorus mantle were first introduced, making the Rancor Collar / Ele Belt / Atheling Mantle setup slightly less potent than the Ele neck / Windbuffet belt / Rancorus mantle setup in ideal scenarios where your acc is not an issue.

oh yeah i remember that, sorry i never checked what that mantle was and just assumed it was atheling, guess i wasnt really out the loop, just the lack of attention to gear sets posted above

question please!! Can I use rancor collar/ Windbuffet/ atheling mantle with any success?? Or do I need a Ele neck and rancor mantle now??

You should be using Light Gorget and Rancourous Mantle over collar/atheling unless MS is up/crit rate is capped, in which case I would probably suggest Atheling/gorget.

Thank you for the response!!!Set are tough to figure most of the time.

I decided what I originally wrote here was to cruel and I deleted it.

16.9 TP/hit * 5 = 84.5 tp, so you need 15.5 return from WS to maintain 6hit. WSing only in Brutal gives 15.0 return, which means if you land any additional hits after the main, it will remain a 6hit without Rajas.

Odds of missing the second hit are 5%(assuming capped acc), then factor in the chance to DA after the main hit or DA after the missed second hit. In the end, you're looking at an extremely low chance of not landing a second hit to maintain a 6hit.

TL;DR: Strigoi or second Pyrosoul are better.

As for your dDEX set: Your set gains 16% crit on a monster with 90 AGI(DC Dynamis mob) over the traditional Ukko set. But gaining that comes at a price; your set loses 10 STR and 10% WSDMG.

Your DEX set: Mithra, 60% crit for Ukko's, 23% DA, capped attack, capped fSTR.

((156+25+112)3.56)2.83223 * 1.18 = 3486

Standard set: Mithra, 44% crit for Ukko's, 22% DA, 2% TA, 1% QA, 10% WSDMG, capped attack, capped fSTR.

((156+25+117)3.666088)2.64518 * 1.18 * 1.10 = 3699

Even lowering a monster to 80 AGI, the standard set still has a substantial lead against yours.

Regardless, I can't see myself making a dDEX set even if it was better. I can only think of 1 event I'd use it: ADL farming,not on ADL itself, because that's the only time I'm in dynamis and not forced to /dnc. Every other event, I would use cleave for fodder, ukko's for bosses, or just come a more suitable job for the event (dynamis currency farming).

What would be the second best sets without the use of Neo Nyzul gear? The Grim+1/Heca Mitts+1? Also Mekira is still only the best with Zerk Down/Correct day, yes? Also TP would still be either AF3+2/Armada with STP if you don't have Valkyrie's?

Agreed, I couldn't even manage to carry a trash mob set and that's ignoring that it's inferior.

Valk with 3% TA is .2% better than Grim +1. Hecatomb +1 with crit dmg +4% is generally the best in all cases when acc is capped.

Mekira +1 is always better when fTP boost is active. The only times Ravagers's pulls ahead is when aggressor(not berserk) is down and you need the acc on higher end content or if the monster is very weak and merkira's attack/str are devalued. If you're sure your acc is capped, mekira +1 is always better on higher end content, albeit, not by a lot(as close as .03% in some cases) when berserk/aggressor is down.