Ukko's Fury Setup

I was simply pointing out things people could use to get by on their way to Valk body. I could care less if it's 1% behind or ahead of something else. It's close enough for the differences to not matter, as it's sometimes better and sometimes worse. That's all I was ever saying. Aside from the fact that it could beat the old standard TP set.

Doing math and proving it to be better sometimes, and worse sometimes, and proving when those situations are is highly irrelevant to the point I was originally making. Which is that they are decent alternatives for people to use if they have the stuff already or find it easier to get than the other "Sometimes second best" options.

Okay then, if that's your point, we get it and you can leave now.

Only if I can take the ugly balding girl in your avatar with me.

I was disappointed in reading the last couple pages of this thread. Needs to get back on topic with less of your posting for the people that are trying to build around optimal sets.

Optimal sets can be found in my original post.
EDIT::::
I will repost them.

Accuracy WS set apparently has stuff that could be done better in it, no one decided to talk about that though, but maybe we can swing this thread back on topic and speak about it now.

You have agasaya's in a tp set :X


am I missing something?


and you just changed the ddex set, nevermind >_>;;


also would say another pyrosoul or strigoi probably > rajas.


Avant +1 hands should pull ahead of ravager's muffs for acc ukko's iirc.


then on Acc TP set, why not use armada hands with at least 1 haste, and phasmida over phos. or hell, avant +1/phos for the DA and extra DEX would probably do better when restraint was down.


(wait, why am I taking you seriously now?)





and as a serious question to someone who might actually know the answer and/or be able to back it up... are those tp sets correct. Don't wanna drop 5-10mil on an armaberk if it's not optimal anymore.

Okay Ukko's Fury Outside Abyssea when you need accuracy set, I shall make a comment.

WSD+7% 5 str and atleast 5 attack > 3 accuracy regardless of how bad you need accuracy. You'd be better off swapping pyrosoul ring to a thundersoul ring. That is a loss of 7 str and a gain of 5.25 accuracy.

Edit: Im talking about Phorcys vs Valk for body slot incase some people do not know

It's so much more than 3 accuracy.

This is my Valk body.

Also, since we're talking optimal, just say mars ring, not thundersoul.


I listed the neckpiece that I'd use instead of rancor collar if I couldn't deal with +10% damage taken, it's what I usually do. But I changed all my other sets from nefarious collar to rancor so people wouldn't freak out about it. I just forgot to do that one since it looks the same.



Because I'm not anywhere near as bad as some people would lead you to believe, and I do actually know what I'm talking about.



It's only optimal in 'zomg I need accuracy set.'
It's easy enough to look at the stats on the items and see you gain 3% extra attacks as well as 14 attack with the valk body set. compared to the old standard:

Fine, I shall alter my statement 5 str atleast 5 att 7% ws dmg > 13 accuracy. And both thundersoul and mars are acceptable replacements to get accuracy instead. Theres also fire bomblet for ammo where you get 6 att 6 acc.

I'm just going to assume you're not intentionally trolling and overlooking the 3% triple attack on Valk body and point it out to you.

You shouldn't need fire bomblet at all even with an accuracy set-up, can easily use pizza or some sort of food to help you out while maintaining attack. Valkyrie's is *** hot with TA 3% etc. And thank you for putting the thread back on track by reposting the sets. Haven't played WAR in awhile due to my love for DRK.

Too tired after reading where the hell this shitstorm started--would be an excellent waste of time to delete all the irrelevant posts, too.

So here's where it comes down to--

Stop *** arguing.

Obviously discussion is encouraged, and any advice to be taken from here is pretty much at the reader's discretion.

@Austar, Jinjo, Nightfyre: You cannot force another poster to legitimize their sets. I appreciate the fact that you contribute much to the community with your skills, but just because someone is "wrong" does not warrant excessive, hostile bullying just because they don't accept your point of view. Personally, I don't want to have to begin issuing topicbans based on your hostility--I've been more than lenient--but I'm losing patience here.

@Kaerin: I really don't know where to start. You've been involved in a good deal of drama on these forums, and a brief (read: thorough) review of your previous forum posts throughout the forum doesn't speak well for your future behavior. Keep that hostility in check, or I will.

Look I do math when it's important to me and my interests and is for something I care about.

Looking at this set as it sits.


With 28% extra attacks on the Acc set how it currently sits.
That amounts to a 56% chance to gain 1 ftp on Ukkos Fury. or 0.56 http://ftp.

We can assume that the first hit at 2ftp will have a 95% accuracy rate. So when dealing with Valk body what we're actually looking at is a 7% chance to increase ftp by 1 for the second hit on the WS and a 7% chance to increase ftp by .56 on the chance of an extra attack. (13 accuracy adds 6.5% hit rate, but since the total accuracy added by the whole set is an even number, we're saying it adds 7% hit rate, since it really does)

We'll assume accuracy is 7% under cap, so 88%.
Real ftp for the first hit is 1.9 (95% acc rate)
Second hit .88
Extra attacks (not counting the 3% Triple attack on valk body, so .48*.88) .4224
for a total of 3.2024

If using Valk body caps accuracy the ftp would end up as
first hit 1.9
second hit .95
extra attacks .551
for a total of 3.401

Which is about a 6.3% damage increase from ftp when looking at only the accuracy and triple attack valk body adds. And well, I guess it's confession time, originally I was thinking Phorcys body only added 5% WS damage since the only thing I ever saw about testing the new nyzul stuff was on the 80 body and it was said to be around 5%. If it was 5% as I originally thought I would of been right about using Valk body over it in uncapped accuracy situations, as 5 STR and the extra attack would of made them pretty even but since it's 7% WS damage you should be using Phorcys body even if accuracy is uncapped. So my new 'zomg I need accuracy Ukkos set' is this:

Phorcys body instead of Valk, Mars ring instead of Pyrosoul and Avant gloves+1 instead of AF3+2.

Anyone see anything else that could end up better while keeping around the same accuracy as the accuracy TP set?

Also feel free to point out mistakes I made in math, I'm a little tired and there could be some.


Sometimes it's just not possible. Here's an example: Earlier today I was doing Lancing Lamrock or whatever, the beetle VWNM in Ronfarue, I had eaten Red Curry, and suddenly the second fight, the 5 proc is staff, and for whatever reason I seem to be the only person to put on a staff to do it. My staff skill isn't super awesome, it's 349 right now, and I couldn't use accuracy food. This is the sort of situation I find myself in a lot and why I even have a max accuracy set. Just between you and me, I even switched my haste belt out for anguinus while trying to proc staff. lol

Aside from that colibri VWNM I fought the other day though, I haven't found a situation were I would even use the Ukkos acc set. But on that thing my accuracy was 70% with stalwarts and normal TP set. Anyway that's enough ranting.

Point of this post: 7% hit rate and 3% triple attack (relevant stats on Valk body) is a 6.3%~ damage increase, so it's inferior to Phorcys body since it adds 7% WS damage without even looking at the STR and ATT gains

I've made exactly one post here that could be reasonably considered hostile, which was my minnows comment. In the meantime, you're here not reading what you're moderating and telling me that false claims should simply be allowed to stand. There don't need to be any quotes around wrong. The 141 DEX set posted is incontrovertibly inferior, never "1-2% ahead" as stated. Kaerin is wrong and has done nothing but attack, sidestep, and backpedal throughout the entire discussion in a thread which exists solely for the purpose of improvement, not *** claims.

Consider precedents created and the irrationality of insisting that evidence be allowed to go unpresented such that a handful of posters are responsible for maintaining the accuracy of an entire thread when the person asserting the value of a set is supposedly capable of backing their claims and is making bold assertions rather than asking questions about it.

okay... so what I now think would be optimal as far as tp sets go... (feel free to point out anything blatantly wrong... or if I'm just wayyyyyy off track, it's 4:30am :X)

need acc and restraint is down:




don't need acc and restraint is down:




restraint is up:

The problem here is that I said the 141 set was 1-2% behind the other if they both capped dDEX, not 1-2% ahead. =3 But then if you bothered to ever read what I said you'd know that.

I've also never backed off anything I claimed as fact. And nothing I have claimed as fact in this thread has been shown to be wrong.

I was wrong to have included you in the warning regarding excessive hostility, so I apologize for that.

But nothing in the forum rules states that false claims are strictly prohibited. I'm not here to validate each poster's credibility, I'm here to enforce the rules.

tl:dr Church is da besty

Intentinally looking over something that will boost FTP by 2 3% of the time and devalues your DA? Okay, okay ill bite: My base attack is 652 in my tp set no buffs so I will assume that the +5% attack is 32.

I will only alter the body from your set:


I will also assume that your set gives me 7% more accuracy


Your set has 64 STR + hasso = 71 + food = 78 This will result in an fSTR of somewhere around 17, more or less depending on the mob. My set has 83 str, I will only assume 1 fSTR more.

Damage = WD * PDIF = ( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * PDIF
(156 + 17 + (180*.85*.60)*fTP * PDIF

(173 + 91.8) *fTP * PDIF *WSD% you
(174 + 94.35) * fTP * PDIF *WSD% me
fTP = 2.2 main hit 1.0 each successive hit.
You have 3% TA and 24% DA that can proc on 2 hits, 1 hit or not at all.
1.0*(2*.03 + 1*.97*.24) = .2928 AVERAGE increase to http://ftp.
Now lets account for accuracy in http://ftp.

EDIT: forgot to account for it proc'ing twice
2.4928*.95 main hit .95*1.2928 for additional hits. = 3.5963

1.0*(.24) = 1.24 AVERAGE ftp for additional hits.
2.44*.95 main hit .88*1.24 = 3.4092
Now we are at:

264.8*3.5963*PDIF * WSD% you
268.35*3.4092*PDIF *WSD% me

For PDIF I have 9 attack more than you, 11 attack more under berserk.
If we need acc, the mob absolutely has atleast 600 def.
My tp set has 652 attack at +73 attack and +36 str add in food its 802 at +73 att and +43 str: your ws set has +92 att and 78 str
840 attack in your ws set add berserk 1050 attack.
My ws set has 11 more attack with berserk up so your PDIF would be
1050/600 mine would be 1061/600
1.75 you
1.768 me

Accounting for critical hits we both have a 25% crit rate so:
1.75*.75 + 2.75*.25*1.18 = 2.12375 you
1.768*.75 + 2.768*.25*1.18 2.14256 me

So now we have:

264.8*3.5963*PDIF * WSD% you
268.35*3.4092*PDIF *WSD% me

Now lets multiply through
264.8*3.5963*2.12375 * 1.03 = 2083.13 you
268.35*3.4092*2.14256 * 1.1 = 2156.15 me
no accuracy boost
268.35*3.496*2.14256*1.1 = 2211.05 me.

Post edit:
When it provides the 7% accuracy bonus you stated apparently it does not pull ahead.
However, if i changed the str ring to a mars ring to gain accuracy instead, I would lose only 2 str to your set but gain 4% acc and 2.75 attack i get:

262.78*3.4588*2.14465*1.1 = 2144.20 which is better than your set, and worse than mine.

I'm not asking you to validate anyone's credibility. If everyone's able to see each other's work then the discrepancies will eventually resolve themselves or at least be identified to the point where each party can agree on why they disagree. Stubborn assertions without support are not constructive. I'm not asking you to try and identify every false claim made in any thread, I'm asking you to deal with unconstructive posters. I think you'll find there is a note about that in the forum rules. It's also a rule for which moderators have discretion over how to handle violations, which is an opportunity for you to do both the mods and the general community a favor by encouraging posters to support their assertions and/or approach discussions with an open mind while discouraging stubborn and groundless arguments/flying off the handle at the first provocation. Such changes in environment tend to reinforce themselves over time, leading to less need for you to moderate these threads in the future.

Think he finally bothered to correct himself out of the stupidity of not choosing Phorcys for a WS piece, but yeah, that was after pages and pages.

Yeah, no.

From the post in which you originally posted said sets. This implies that the 141 DEX set is preferable over the 134 DEX set if you have to choose between the two, as they're (according to you) "pretty much even" when dDEX is capped at 134 (false as a secondary result of my prior math) and thus the 141 DEX set must be better if it alone caps critrate (also false, see the aforementioned math). This is clearly not the case; any change to the environment used (which was skewed entirely towards the 141 DEX set) will favor the 134 DEX set which was superior to begin with.

Also, you didn't say it was behind.

Technically you also didn't say it was ahead, but preferring a specific WS set (as you did in your previous post) that is consistently inferior without mention of any additional factors that might sway said preference is simply illogical. As such, the only reasonable inference is that you believed it to be superior to the Phorcys set by said margin.

Listing the 141 dex as being pretty much even with the 134, and saying its within 1-2% of it, is clearly implying it is inferior by 1-2%. I even go on to say 'if you want to make an argument for carrying around the belt for the 134 set to have a situational ws set for a situational ws set to gain 30~ damage on your ws average, thats all you. but I dont think its worth the 1 inventory slot or extra effort required to use the 134 set.'

Why would I say I don't think it's worth the effort to carry around and use the 134 set for the small gains it makes over the 141 set if I thought the 134 set was inferior? The fact that I am advocating the lack of DEX found in the set, inventory issues, and being to lazy to use the set as the reasons for not making and using the 134 set shows that I believe it's better when capping dDEX and must mean I believe it to be the one that is 1-2% ahead. Wouldn't I be saying to not bother with the 134 set altogether and calling it inferior if I thought that it was worse than the 141 set instead of talking about outside factors as the reason for not using it if I believed it was worse?


Oh, you're still here acting like an fool?
Are you ever going to contribute something worthwhile to the thread or just continue to ride austar and nights nuts like a lap dog and agree with them while trying to belittle others?

And seriously, it was an accuracy set, and I knew there were things that could be changed to make it better, that's why I posted it here and asked for input on the set. When notretards came around and made suggestions about it, I looked into what they said and made changes as necessary to make it better. That's how this thread should work. The crap you constantly spout, should be edited out of the thread entirely IMO.

Never mind the fact that I actually help people with constructive advice. Austar and Night don't play WAR, and they have less reason to frequent this particular thread than I do. I know most of the numbers off hand after going through them so many times (but will still go through them if need be, for things such as checking for potential viability of 5-hits and whatnot), and very clearly was giving feedback to questions with straightforward (correct) replies.

Then you arrive with your holier-than-thou attitude and array of sets (half of which make no sense to publicize) and ***on everyone with utter nonsense, make a joke of mathematics, and backpedal to save your *** life.

And after all that, you have the audacity to insult me. Hah. No.

Enough of this ***. Topic closed temporarily while I sort this out in PMs.

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