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Ukko's Fury Setup
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-03-31 00:21:48
from another ukon 99ebisu owner, what a *** waste Minnows, the only thing I've ever seen Kaerin do math for.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-31 00:23:38
Any idiot can look at two sets and count the difference between sets. I asked for the DPS values of each set, which you've yet to provide, not even a rough guess. You also keep ignoring nightfyre's easy equation as well.
Any idiot would also be able to know when knowing the specific DPS of each set is a complete waste of time to care about when you can see 1 set is clearly better than another because it gains attack and extra attacks over another. So why'd you post the worse sets to begin with?
This doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. I posted what is commonly thought of as the best TP sets to begin with, then posted alternatives to the pre-update TP set that was commonplace to use. I found this to be useful as some people are unable to get/augment armadaberk/valky body and they would have an easier time getting the other options. And the whole reason I did it, is because someone in game just brought it up, and I thought it could be fun to try and make something that did not require valk body but was better than the old standard, and I succeeded, twice, why you're trying to say this is a bad thing I can't really figure out though. Show me where I said it was a bad thing.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-03-31 00:26:51
Any idiot can look at two sets and count the difference between sets. I asked for the DPS values of each set, which you've yet to provide, not even a rough guess. You also keep ignoring nightfyre's easy equation as well.
Any idiot would also be able to know when knowing the specific DPS of each set is a complete waste of time to care about when you can see 1 set is clearly better than another because it gains attack and extra attacks over another. So why'd you post the worse sets to begin with?
This doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. I posted what is commonly thought of as the best TP sets to begin with, then posted alternatives to the pre-update TP set that was commonplace to use. I found this to be useful as some people are unable to get/augment armadaberk/valky body and they would have an easier time getting the other options. And the whole reason I did it, is because someone in game just brought it up, and I thought it could be fun to try and make something that did not require valk body but was better than the old standard, and I succeeded, twice, why you're trying to say this is a bad thing I can't really figure out though. Show me where I said it was a bad thing. Guess worse doesn't mean what you think it means?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-31 00:30:15
Any idiot can look at two sets and count the difference between sets. I asked for the DPS values of each set, which you've yet to provide, not even a rough guess. You also keep ignoring nightfyre's easy equation as well.
Any idiot would also be able to know when knowing the specific DPS of each set is a complete waste of time to care about when you can see 1 set is clearly better than another because it gains attack and extra attacks over another. So why'd you post the worse sets to begin with?
This doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. I posted what is commonly thought of as the best TP sets to begin with, then posted alternatives to the pre-update TP set that was commonplace to use. I found this to be useful as some people are unable to get/augment armadaberk/valky body and they would have an easier time getting the other options. And the whole reason I did it, is because someone in game just brought it up, and I thought it could be fun to try and make something that did not require valk body but was better than the old standard, and I succeeded, twice, why you're trying to say this is a bad thing I can't really figure out though. Show me where I said it was a bad thing. Guess worse doesn't mean what you think it means? Right, because that totally means it's a bad thing to post gear sets.
By GraddHelian 2012-03-31 00:33:09
My set is better than all of yours.
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By Fupafighters 2012-03-31 00:33:38
I'm trying to read this thread, but half the pages are just arguments and discourage me from reading page to page to try to get answers.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-03-31 00:35:51
Chum the waters and they appear from every direction.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-31 00:38:19
Ragnarok.Chronosphere said: »My set is better than all of yours.
beat that punk
Who did I steal that from? WE WILL SEE SOON ENOUGH :3c Needs STR daggers.
By GraddHelian 2012-03-31 00:38:49
:(
By Kaerin 2012-03-31 00:48:22
from another ukon 99ebisu owner, what a *** waste Minnows, the only thing I've ever seen Kaerin do math for.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21161/oirandori/5#1341035
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21161/oirandori/5#1341670
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/17388/blade-hi-ws-set/19#1364903
I use to do lots of math, those are just the first examples I found on FFXIAH.
From a page ago, we actually don't care about your TP sets. I already posted them before you.
You posted them before me? I searched a bit and I didn't see it posted by you before me on BG.
Anyway, I assume you're specifically referring to this set:
Which I'm pretty sure was first brought up here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105811-What-s-Better?p=5084641&viewfull=1#post5084641
By a combination of things said by by Churchill and myself. Is that you? If you mean the other 2 sets, I didn't see them either, which is why I posted them, but I admit I didn't look very hard.
I'm trying to read this thread, but half the pages are just arguments and discourage me from reading page to page to try to get answers.
It sort of is disheartening, sorry I always feel the need to fight back and it impacted you negatively.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-31 01:03:05
By Gimpness 2012-03-31 01:04:55
I really just wanted to say... stop claiming random crap in these forums. You haven't backed up any claims you've made (I know it's been said). Anywhere you post goes straight to hell because of it. Would think you'd have learned your lesson by now.
You may be right, you may be wrong, I don't know. I'm not all that great with the math involved in this game. I can do some, sure, but I don't know any formulas off the top of my head or anything.
ANYWAY! If anyone could provide support for anything :X that'd be kewl... if not, wutevz, prolly somewhere else anyway.
and! Most of us who frequent here are going to take Night, Austar, or Jinjo's word for things because they post correct information almost all the time. You, on the other hand... do not.
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By Kaerin 2012-03-31 01:06:19
Are you tired of seeing me set the record straight? Sorry it hurts your pride. But seriously, if you're going to continue posting stuff like this I am going to keep responding in the same manner I have been.
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and! Most of us who frequent here are going to take Night, Austar, or Jinjo's word for things because they post correct information almost all the time. You, on the other hand... do not.
Where exactly have I been wrong so far? PROTIP: I haven't been wrong yet if you actually look at the things I've said.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-31 01:07:23
From a page ago, we actually don't care about your TP sets. I already posted them before you.
You posted them before me? I searched a bit and I didn't see it posted by you before me on BG.
Anyway, I assume you're specifically referring to this set:
Which I'm pretty sure was first brought up here:
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/105811-What-s-Better?p=5084641&viewfull=1#post5084641
By a combination of things said by by Churchill and myself. Is that you? If you mean the other 2 sets, I didn't see them either, which is why I posted them, but I admit I didn't look very hard. Looks like Churchill did everything for you.
I'm trying to read this thread, but half the pages are just arguments and discourage me from reading page to page to try to get answers.
It sort of is disheartening, sorry I always feel the need to fight back and it impacted you negatively. this part was the best
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-31 01:07:53
Are you tired of seeing me set the record straight? Sorry it hurts your pride. But seriously, if you're going to continue posting stuff like this I am going to keep responding in the same manner I have been. you didn't set anything straight.
By Gimpness 2012-03-31 01:10:24
well, if you haven't been wrong.... You definitely haven't been right.
As I said, I don't know if you're right or wrong, but I haven't seen any proof. If you can do the math that people are asking you to... sure, I'll take your word for it. If you don't want to, again... that's fine, just stop making claims about things that you have no proof for.
or: I shouldn't say you haven't been right, since I don't know. You haven't shown any proof to what you've posted being right. My original wording wasn't the greatest I guess.
By Kaerin 2012-03-31 01:13:29
Looks like Churchill did everything for you.
He sort of did, I asked how stuff worked, he brought stuff that could help, and I pointed out what would work. Doesn't change the fact that I can call BS on Jinjos "first" Since he apparently wasn't even there.
I'm trying to read this thread, but half the pages are just arguments and discourage me from reading page to page to try to get answers. It sort of is disheartening, sorry I always feel the need to fight back and it impacted you negatively.
It sort of is, because you can clearly see I am apologizing to someone who isn't attacking me for defending myself so much, and rather than apologizing yourself for the parts you had a hand in, you continue to try and attack me. This shows a lot about your character IMO.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-31 01:13:47
Where exactly have I been wrong so far? PROTIP: I haven't been wrong yet if you actually look at the things I've said.
Except the WS sets. Except suggesting a completely out of place TP set. Seriously, leave, your contributions are mediocre, delayed, and unhelpful.
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By Shiva.Squally 2012-03-31 01:15:18
Are you tired of seeing me set the record straight? Sorry it hurts your pride. But seriously, if you're going to continue posting stuff like this I am going to keep responding in the same manner I have been.
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and! Most of us who frequent here are going to take Night, Austar, or Jinjo's word for things because they post correct information almost all the time. You, on the other hand... do not.
Where exactly have I been wrong so far? PROTIP: I haven't been wrong yet if you actually look at the things I've said.
Setting the record straight? You're the one who came barging into the forum making statements about opinions. Night actually took the time to do the math you so ungracefully refused to do. I am the last person who will take things handed to him on a silver platter and do just what everyone else thinks is best but if I dare to come into the forums I will have my math ready at hand so I can see if I screwed up. A little known fact, every single person here that does this 'unimportant math' actually cares about what is the best.
PROTIP: You've been quite wrong; in fact if you had bothered to even look at the ws dmg formulas even once, you woulda known how 7% ws dmg destroys every other body piece period for ws.
Also you tell them to prove stuff, so why should you get an attitude when they ask you to do the same thing?
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By Kaerin 2012-03-31 01:17:13
Where exactly have I been wrong so far? PROTIP: I haven't been wrong yet if you actually look at the things I've said.
Except the WS sets.
I clearly pointed out that of the 2 new dDEX sets I posted the 134 DEX set would do more damage if it capped crit rate over the other one, and I did it when I posted them. I even gave a rough estimate of how much better it would end up being.
Except suggesting a completely out of place TP set.
Which TP set did I suggest that was completely out of place? Was it the ones I listed as being alternatives to other TP sets that would do about the same damage? Or was it the TP sets I originally posted asking if they were still the best?
By mortontony1 2012-03-31 01:20:37
Ragnarok.Chronosphere said: »My set is better than all of yours.
beat that punk
Who did I steal that from? WE WILL SEE SOON ENOUGH :3c
Should offhand haste GA so when haste procs can switch to Joyeuse for more dps
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-31 01:25:54
I clearly pointed out that of the 2 new dDEX sets I posted the 134 DEX set would do more damage if it capped crit rate over the other one, and I did it when I posted them. I even gave a rough estimate of how much better it would end up being.
You were clearly demonstrated to be incorrect about using the sets to begin with.
Which TP set did I suggest that was completely out of place? Was it the ones I listed as being alternatives to other TP sets that would do about the same damage?
Porthos. You'd be better off TPing in Grim, even.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-03-31 01:32:01
Here's where it went to ***:
I'm curious to see the math behind your sets, Kaerin.
And I would love to see you do anything other than try and condemn other people and act like an arrogant SOB when you have nothing to brag about.
To me, when you're asking for input in a thread full of people heavily into ffxi math, being asked for the math to back it up isn't all that shocking. I don't really understand why you reacted like that. And you quoted it, so it isn't like Austar went back and changed it (not that I would expect that anyway.)
Since then, you keep saying things like, "the 2 new dDEX sets I posted the 134 DEX set would do more damage if it capped crit rate over the other one, and I did it when I posted them," but then again those sets were for Mithras. Or then when you were acting so proud of "your" sets, until it got out that you were reposting them... oh but you you approved them... I don't know, but I bet I'm not the only one watching this thinking "WTF?"
Before all of this started, it seemed like random "this or this" type questions were answered with a lot more patience and politeness than I would have been able to muster (assuming I knew ffxi math like Night, Jinjo and Austar do.)
I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm not exactly sure what you're saying at all, to be honest. Just that there is a problem here, and I think it's you/the way you're presenting yourself.
By Gimpness 2012-03-31 01:36:08
I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm not exactly sure what you're saying at all, to be honest. Just that there is a problem here, and I think it's you/the way you're presenting yourself.
this. so much this.
By Kaerin 2012-03-31 01:52:11
I'm not saying you're wrong - I'm not exactly sure what you're saying at all, to be honest. Just that there is a problem here, and I think it's you/the way you're presenting yourself.
this. so much this.
It's carry over from a previous thread I posted in once, then was attacked for 8 pages by all these people, which ended up getting locked, they came here and are doing the same thing, when I simply asked if there was better stuff, and posted some alternatives that could be easier for some people to get that wouldn't be much higher/lower in damage than what is currently accepted as the best/most reasonable.
If you simply look at it from the perspective of "Kaerin is posting these sets to show some stuff that would work slightly better/worse than currently accepted sets, and said so when first posted" then look at responses to me like this:
Except the WS sets. Except suggesting a completely out of place TP set. Seriously, leave, your contributions are mediocre, delayed, and unhelpful.
It's pretty easy to see who is attacking who here, even if you don't know the backstory.
I clearly pointed out that of the 2 new dDEX sets I posted the 134 DEX set would do more damage if it capped crit rate over the other one, and I did it when I posted them. I even gave a rough estimate of how much better it would end up being.
You were clearly demonstrated to be incorrect about using the sets to begin with.
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/19774/ukkos-fury-setup/45/#1817815
If you're referring to this, I am under the impression that he is comparing the 2 dDEX sets I posted after reviewing the new items. As the only defining attribute he said was "Phorcys set" and "not-Phorcys set"
Which TP set did I suggest that was completely out of place? Was it the ones I listed as being alternatives to other TP sets that would do about the same damage?
Porthos. You'd be better off TPing in Grim, even.
It's fine if Grim is better, I was simply posting alternatives that are about the same, that doesn't make it completely out of place or a bad contribution. I'm sure there's people out there who don't want to waste a bunch of gil on Grim+1 to gain 1% white damage, but have/will have Porthos laying around collecting dust and they can use that while trying to get Valk. I know I sure wouldn't waste the 5m gil on a Grim+1 if I didn't have Valk body.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-03-31 01:53:19
Grim. NQ.
And yes, I am attacking you because you completely derail relevant discussion. Get out.
By Kaerin 2012-03-31 02:04:21
Grim. NQ.
And yes, I am attacking you because you completely derail relevant discussion. Get out.
Posting sets in a gear set thread is derailing threads, you heard it here first.
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-03-31 02:11:36
Grim. NQ.
And yes, I am attacking you because you completely derail relevant discussion. Get out.
Posting sets in a gear set thread and going completely off-topic and ignoring anyone asking for math on sets and saying I can eye-ball it and being hostile towards every other person in the thread because I feel bad about being called out on not being able to do 8th grade algebra and need to safe face is derailing threads, you heard it here first.
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyup.
Hello, i'm almost halfway on my ukon so i just started thinkin about some possible WS sets, but well, i'm not sure what i should build, STR or DA Crit ecc.
Any suggestion is appreciated ^-^
1st set mainly focused on str could be like this :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205175
2nd set with some more DA Crit% and Crit dmg :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205179
i'm also thinkin about Twilight helm and Ares's flanchard
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