Ukko's Fury Setup

Our claim that was your WS sets are awful. Not only can you not do a simple algebraic equation, you can't deduce what you've said in relation to what we said. Are you even reading or are you caught in your own damn "hehe I'm so great" bubble?

By the way, you never even got back to me about this:
It's the easiest parts, you shouldn't have any trouble with this.

No, that was a sarcastic comment aimed at you claiming your Valk body was better for Accuracy situations than Phorcys. This lead to me saying "you can just make up 7WSDMG and 5% attack elsewhere".

In any situation you are accuracy uncapped, you can be rest assured you probably need that 5% attack too. There are easier and better swaps to make that still allow you to use a body that essentially gives you the same WS boost as going from 90->95 or 95->99 Ukon.

When people say "Provide the math" and nothing else, I assume its for the thing I'm claiming that i didn't already discuss, which is the TP sets. So that's what I posted. Got a problem with it? be more specific next time.

But anyway, I posted the differences between the WS sets already, if you can't look at it and figure out the damage output difference between them within a small margin in your head, I pity you, and if you care that much go ahead and tally it up yourself. I weighed it against other factors, the effort of making it, carrying around the extra belt, knowing when to use it as opposed to the other set, and pointed out that to me it's not worth it and I don't care, and that to races besides mithra, and even on mithra, you're going to be under what is considered the good +DEX area to be for weak old content. Especially if you're an Elf. So who gives a poop? The whole point of the set is to hit dDEX cap, if it's not doing that there's no point for it to exist. There, I more clearly argued against the validity of the set, the same as I originally did. It's purpose for being posted was that maybe someone else could come in, look at it, and figure out a way to make it better. The math behind the set isn't actually important, as it's incomplete and doesn't do what it's purpose in the game would be to do, get you over 135 DEX.

I'd respect you more if you openly would just admit it and say "I can't do the math, it looked good to me. Is there anything you would recommend over x item in x situation?"

I'm sorry, was this not specific enough for you?

You're grasping at straws. Stop.

It seemed like a good place to gain accuracy, moving from 16 STR 50 attack 7% WS damage, to 16 Acc 11 STR 26 ATT 3% TA doesn't look like such a horrible thing to give up, but again, the point of that post was to get input on what other people thought could end up better, if you would like to point out what you could give up instead of Phorcys body I would love to hear it, as that's what this thread is for, not a bunch of retards going SHOW ME MATH FOR INCOMPLETE SETS THAT DON'T MATTER YET!!!!

I would like to point you to the first line of this post:
http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/19774/ukkos-fury-setup/44/#1817713
Where I am clearly pointing out specifically that I am talking to Rearden who is replying to you and talking about the same thing, I didn't think quoting both of you was necessary, and ask specifically what you are talking about then answer what I think you are talking about. If you want to *** about it, maybe you should of been more specific when I responded. Oh and btw, I already responded to this now, it's a few posts up.

EDIT: You're grasping at straws now, not me, I already thought I responded to this, and I even correctly responded to your concerns before I saw this post you made.

I looked up the specifics, you are wrong. Ok? Carry on then.

And yet you've still not provided the math. Fascinating.

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Because it's not important because they're unfinished sets that don't matter, nor did I ever claim them to be better, if you want to know the differences between them so bad nothing is wrong with going ahead and figuring it out, I was asking for input regarding them, not making a case for them being super awesome the best ever. Everything I said was good/better/super awesome, I provided the math and reasoning for. lern 2 reed.

As I said, you are wrong and we all responded to that already a few posts up. Learn to read and stop attacking us for no reason.

Strawmanning. You've still yet to provide evidence to a clearly phrased post. Further, you clearly said "Got a problem with it? be more specific next time." in a post in which you directly quoted me. As I said, grasping at straws.

And I still don't see you delivering on math.

If I am wrong please point out why and how I am wrong. As you have never done this. I don't require math, just an answer. After you answer we can discuss it further.

And you didn't ask for input originally except on maybe one set, you edited your posts later.

fyi, you provided no math and only pointed out obvious differences.

LOL.

It's been explained why you are wrong already wow quit attacking us because we're right.

In my original post I put up 7 gear sets and asked if there was better stuff to be using, and pointed out that I knew one set was bad for sure. How exactly this isn't asking for input I cannot for the life of me figure out. Is English your first language?

Also I've only edited 2 posts, and I clearly pointed out when I first made the second that I would be editing it, and I clearly pointed out int he other post what exactly I edited. Which was at the bottom where I said EDIT::: Then typed stuff.


Counting up the attack and extra attacks provided by different TP sets, then subtracting the values from each to point out what one gains over another is actually math kid. I just did it in my head instead of making my post 6 paragraphs longer to show my work. If I was actually wrong, I'm sure you would of pointed it out by now.


EDIT:::

It really hasn't.

would have pointed it out by now.

Night is doing the math, neither Austar or I don't care enough to go out of our way to correct a stubborn dipshit who won't do algebra for himself.

from another ukon 99ebisu owner, what a *** waste

If you couldn't tell from my last several posts, I was throwing your own moronic logic back at you which basically resulted in you saying "math isn't important anyways."

Any idiot can look at two sets and count the difference between sets. I asked for the DPS values of each set, which you've yet to provide, not even a rough guess. You also keep ignoring nightfyre's easy equation as well.

Any idiot would also be able to know when knowing the specific DPS of each set is a complete waste of time to care about when you can see 1 set is clearly better than another because it gains attack and extra attacks over another.

So why'd you post the worse sets to begin with?

how man tell me ur secrets

From a page ago, we actually don't care about your TP sets. I already posted them before you. It's just kind of puzzling that you claim to know what you're talking about without..oh..actually knowing what you're talking about.

51% baseline critrate with dDEX=13, 22% critdmg. This is going to look kind of ugly, couldn't find my notes with 2hander average crit/noncrit pDIF so I'm doing this per Motenten's current formula.

Now for the less messy stuff. Net fTP * pDIF change (critdmg included) * WSDMG% and compare the two values, then solve for the base damage point where the STR would cause the two to be equal.

Not-Phorcys set: (3.1+(3*0.01+2*0.99*0.02+1*0.99*0.98*0.25)*2)*(2.29724121*0.42+3.06014054*0.58*1.22)=11.6577918

Phorcys set: (3.1+(1*0.22)*2)*(2.29724121*0.49+3.06014054*0.51*1.22)*1.07=11.4757751

1.586095% difference in Fulad-zereh's advantage prior to STR. Assuming fSTR is capped, 9 STR = 4.59 base damage. 4.59/0.01586095=289.38998 base damage. Even assuming capped fSTR and max Boost-STR, the non-Phorcys set is only at 271 base damage. The difference is very small, but the Phorcys set is ahead even in the best reasonable case for the Fulad-zereh set.

Going to bed, if there's any errors or revisions that need to be made I'll address them tomorrow. May or may not look at potential optimizations to the original sets as well depending on mood and quality of Kaerin's response.

This doesn't make any sense what-so-ever. I posted what is commonly thought of as the best TP sets to begin with, then posted alternatives to the pre-update TP set that was commonplace to use. I found this to be useful as some people are unable to get/augment armadaberk/valky body and they would have an easier time getting the other options. And the whole reason I did it, is because someone in game just brought it up, and I thought it could be fun to try and make something that did not require valk body but was better than the old standard, and I succeeded, twice, why you're trying to say this is a bad thing I can't really figure out though.

haha thanks. I may make a ukon 90+ war atleast soon, and was wondering, since I plan on getting some phorcys for sam anyway.