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Ukko's Fury Setup
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-02-21 19:23:40
Pretty much copy ejins WS sets and you can't go wrong really. Please drop whatever you are doing and get a rajas/brutal earring if that gear in your profile is current.
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2012-02-21 19:49:51
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Thank you OP for asking these questions. I am 525 plates away from my 95 Ukkon. But sadly I have zero understanding about gearing for the WS. The only thing I know for sure is getting the gear for these set ups is going to be expensive. Tern Necklace, Brego Helm, lack of Rajas and Brutal... Is this real life? Your WS set is the least of your worries. Is it that hard to look at all the sets posted here and realizing you are doing it incredibly wrong?
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-02-22 04:10:18
1. First of all, which contexts do you all typically have TP/WS sets for? By "context", I mean a specific state of variables such as buff status and enemy difficulty. Restraint status, Bergressor status and mob difficulty (ie, VW Tier) seem to be the most common but I'm also curious about context sets that account for VW drinks being activate as well as whether or not it's still relevant to use Blood Rage sets.
Jeuno Tier 3 and beyond.
As for the other contexts, it all depends how many variables you want to cover. There's probably a different "best" set for each tier of NM you fight in VW and what buffs you're getting. The only problem is, we can only guess what their exact stats are, and generalize it into a few sets to cover them all.
With 300% TP from a wing and Blood Rage up, using my WS set, I have 55+20+3+3+5+dDex=86+dDex crit. I would still need 14% crate from dDex before I reached the cap which I don't think would happen on the aforementioned 120 AGI mob, correct? On a related note, I was unable to find how much crit rate is gained by using Champion's Drink, but perhaps if Potency is accounted for in your context sets, this would be the only time to not use a tonberry item? I'm obviously a bit confused, so I'd love some clarification here.
Champions is probably no more than 10%, and that's being really generous. However, I'd use Vulcan's over Moonshade if you're TPing at 300% with BR up.
2. My second question has to do with gear sets and upgrade prioritization-- I'm still missing a bunch of pieces and augments. I've seen a lot of X>Y statements here but without qualifiers for margin of improvement which leaves me uncertain about which upgrade is best to pursue next (I don't have Excel for the spreadsheet and it doesn't seem to work in Google docs).
1)Armada Hauberk (DA/STP, by far the biggest upgrade you can make)
2)Mekira +1 (It's neck and neck with ravager's +2 when the fTP bonus isn't active, but it's active 4/7 days of the week and destroys ravager's when it is)
3)Hecatomb Mitts (Crit DMG)
4)Moonshade (TP bonus/Attack)
5)Grim +1 (Obviously Askar body +2/3 beat Grim +1, but yeah...)
I'm making a relic and am unable to mass buy everything, but I'm always saving for more upgrades. I'm currently targeting Mekira-oto +1 as my next piece, but again I'm not sure if I would see a larger increase in my Ukko damage by buying this or by just getting a Windbuffet Belt in the meantime (for example).
Both would be very good upgrades. Windbuffet is the best all around belt for Ukko's, as there really aren't too many mobs you'd have Acc problems with.
3. My third question is related to the above: I noticed in the latest posted gear sets that crit%+ seems to be devalued on higher tier mobs, with gear sets heading in the direction of increasing fTP, accuracy and attack. Is it the case that most of the reason for this shift is to increase accuracy on evasive higher tier VW mobs? If so, wouldn't it be the case that gear sets for weaker mobs should still include crit boosting pieces (Zahak's, for example) or was the nerf significant enough to change setups for even those mobs?
It was more so a shift in monster stat data. The old numbers I was using was assuming much lower evasion. Honestly, from personal experience, the only NMs you'd ever have Acc problems are Ig-Alima and Botulus Rex. Anything lower should probably be dying before Aggressor wears off.
Related to this, I'm surprised to see the TP Bonus earring winning on higher tier mobs if the trend on strong mobs is away from crit%+. Any thoughts? How far behind TP Bonus earring are other options like Aesir, Centaurus and Vulcan?
Like almost everything, the difference isn't always huge, but it adds up.
Vulcan: 3190
Moonshade: 3242
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-02-22 09:20:53
2)Mekira +1 (It's neck and neck with ravager's +2 when the fTP bonus isn't active, but it's active 4/7 days of the week and destroys ravager's when it is)
Holy crap. I totally misunderstood how this worked. I thought it was for magical ws only. (4/8 days btw - EWaID are X)
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-02-22 14:08:50
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days.
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By Bismarck.Altar 2012-02-22 14:12:56
When Berserk is down, AF3+2 wins? So would that mean Mekira is better on fodder mobs as well?
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-02-22 14:17:20
When Berserk is down, AF3+2 wins? So would that mean Mekira is better on fodder mobs as well?
Fodder mobs you'll easily cap fSTR and attack. Assuming the fTP boost isn't active, AF3+2 wins on both accounts for fodder mobs.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2012-02-22 15:20:16
Thanks a lot for the thorough reply, Ejin! Appreciate it.
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By Asura.Xenophire 2012-02-22 15:29:43
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days. Could you possibly provide us with the coding to equip Mekira on the cor-responding days? I'm horrible at doing an xml from scratch. I can make one from a previously made one, np, though. :C
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By Phoenix.Gaiarorshack 2012-02-23 06:41:34
I have a quick question.
I know thunder gorget works for ukkos.
Does thunder belt work too?
overall i hear yes and no for the belt, wish someone could clear it up for me
sorry if im posting previosu siad info
but i believe for any 2 hit ws ( uko being one) windbuffet belt add more to you ws dmg than elemental belt. if you dont need the acc.
each extra hit you get from winbuffet belt is another 1.0ftp
you have 2 hits with 2%chance of TA and 1% chance of quad strike
thast2 tries to get 2% chance of 2 extra swing and 1%chance of 3 extra swings
2* (2*2 + 1*3) = 14% extra swings
with a hitrate of 95% that a landing of 14*0.95 = 13.3% extra landed hits
13.3%*1ftp = .133fpt increase in average
0.133 > 0.1 ftp increase
however
elemental belt will give you a small increase on all you ws.
winbuffet belt will sometimes give you no boost and sometimes give you big boost. so your dmg output is more spiky, but higher in an average.
Correct me if im wrong
P.S
this only works for 2 hits ws. as even with both strikes proccing quadstrike you still only end up at 8 swings which are the exactcap.
for 3+ hits ws you hit can hit above the cap of 8 hits per ws which removes some of the effectives from QA and TA
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-02-23 06:59:15
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Thank you OP for asking these questions. I am 525 plates away from my 95 Ukkon. But sadly I have zero understanding about gearing for the WS. The only thing I know for sure is getting the gear for these set ups is going to be expensive. Tern Necklace, Brego Helm, lack of Rajas and Brutal... Is this real life? Your WS set is the least of your worries. Is it that hard to look at all the sets posted here and realizing you are doing it incredibly wrong? Sorry man. Not the most avid player. I was told I needed haste so I bought what I could. I also picked up a Grims and Zahak mail. Guess I need to finish COP. Didnt mean to tick anyone off. Just didn't know.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-02-23 16:35:19
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days. Could you possibly provide us with the coding to equip Mekira on the cor-responding days? I'm horrible at doing an xml from scratch. I can make one from a previously made one, np, though. :C
Hyshio came up with this, which swaps in Mekira based on day.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-23 16:37:47
i was literally just about to start figuring out how to do that, yay for cosmic coincidences
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By Carbuncle.Deathhaven 2012-02-23 17:30:13
I also overheard somewhere the TP Bonus +25 earring effects Crit rate for the WS? is this true I personally dont think it does..
Edit: I have mekira +1 from AmanoSAM
Edit: Also ill prolly never get grim+1 with the new nyzul body piece/hands that are out. :Q
25% bonus on earring is 2.5 critical hit best ear piece for ear but giving up regain ;:0
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2012-02-24 07:29:45
If your moonshade earring has regain and your main job isn't Mnk or something like an odd Rng/drg setup drop it and get TP bonus.
By Mizzrym 2012-02-24 17:16:01
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days. Could you possibly provide us with the coding to equip Mekira on the cor-responding days? I'm horrible at doing an xml from scratch. I can make one from a previously made one, np, though. :C
Hyshio came up with this, which swaps in Mekira based on day. isn't that a little off? only doing 3 days and it only uses if berserk is down. Didn't you say its better if FTP is active?
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-24 17:33:08
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days. Could you possibly provide us with the coding to equip Mekira on the cor-responding days? I'm horrible at doing an xml from scratch. I can make one from a previously made one, np, though. :C
Hyshio came up with this, which swaps in Mekira based on day. isn't that a little off? only doing 3 days and it only uses if berserk is down. Didn't you say its better if FTP is active?
that rule is correct, it equips ravager's mask+2 when it's not those ftp days, mekira-oto+1 if it is. although, the spellcast is missing firesday, isn't it? i mean, shouldn't mekira-oto+1 be active on fire, wind, thunder, and lightsday?
By Mizzrym 2012-02-24 20:03:23
After the Ukko nerf, On inactive days & High end mobs, will mekira+1 still beat af3+2?
When Berserk is down it has a small lead over Merkira on inactive days. Could you possibly provide us with the coding to equip Mekira on the cor-responding days? I'm horrible at doing an xml from scratch. I can make one from a previously made one, np, though. :C
Hyshio came up with this, which swaps in Mekira based on day. isn't that a little off? only doing 3 days and it only uses if berserk is down. Didn't you say its better if FTP is active?
that rule is correct, it equips ravager's mask+2 when it's not those ftp days, mekira-oto+1 if it is. although, the spellcast is missing firesday, isn't it? i mean, shouldn't mekira-oto+1 be active on fire, wind, thunder, and lightsday?
You sure?
<if spell="Ukko's Fury" notbuffactive="Berserk" advanced='"%DayElement" = "Light" OR "%DayElement" = "Thunder" OR "%DayElement" = "Wind" OR "Fire" = "%DayElement"'>
<equip when="precast">
<head lock="yes">Mekira-oto +1</head>
</equip>
leads me to think it only does it when berserk down and the day matches? i may be wrong.
EDIT: I added the FIRE code. original was missing it.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-24 20:08:03
I'm ~80% sure Mekira-oto doesn't decompose skillchain elements, so firesday wouldn't work. Need to find the followup post on that again though.
EDIT: found it, but no additional testing for decomposition was conducted. Anybody with Cloudsplitter or test server access want to follow up?
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-24 20:11:03
You sure?
<if spell="Ukko's Fury" notbuffactive="Berserk" advanced='"%DayElement" = "Light" OR "%DayElement" = "Thunder" OR "%DayElement" = "Wind" OR "Fire" = "%DayElement"'>
<equip when="precast">
<head lock="yes">Mekira-oto +1</head>
</equip>
leads me to think it only does it when berserk down and the day matches? i may be wrong.
EDIT: I added the FIRE code. original was missing it.
that assumption is correct, mekira-oto+1 full time for berserk up. ravager's mask+2 with berserk down when mekira-oto+1 isn't active, mekira-oto+1 with berserk down when it is active. that's going by ejiin's sets atleast, but yeah, that rule is strictly for berserk down and mekira-oto+1 days.
By Mizzrym 2012-02-24 20:19:33
ah ok. i didn't look at his zerk set. has mekira +1 in it. now it makes sense.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-24 20:59:52
I'm ~80% sure Mekira-oto doesn't decompose skillchain elements, so firesday wouldn't work. Need to find the followup post on that again though.
EDIT: found it, but no additional testing for decomposition was conducted. Anybody with Cloudsplitter or test server access want to follow up?
I was going by http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mekira-oto_%2B1, as well as Dasva's testing, so I assumed it'd work on firesday. Kinda sucks I don't know anyone with Cloudsplitter though, blah
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-24 21:02:13
The bgwiki information is (potentially) erroneous and the reference certainly is. If you follow the link you'll see that dasva never tested Mekira-oto decomposing T3 elements, just Atma of Echoes. While the atma does decompose into the seperate properties, Athos's Gloves do not. Followup posting by dasva here.
EDIT: if you have the hat and test server access you could pick up a Farsha on the test server
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-24 21:07:58
The bgwiki information is (potentially) erroneous and the reference certainly is. If you follow the link you'll see that dasva never tested Mekira-oto decomposing T3 elements, just Atma of Echoes. While the atma does decompose into the seperate properties, Athos's Gloves do not. Followup posting by dasva here.
EDIT: if you have the hat and test server access you could pick up a Farsha on the test server
Oh, yeah, I kinda derped there, didn't see the whole followup posts. And I don't, but that means I just got to harass Serj to do it sometime. :(
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-24 21:10:20
To be fair, that post came way later in a different thread and the discussion ended almost immediately for lack of numbers. Hope to see testing soon though!
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2012-02-24 21:14:48
Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Thank you OP for asking these questions. I am 525 plates away from my 95 Ukkon. But sadly I have zero understanding about gearing for the WS. The only thing I know for sure is getting the gear for these set ups is going to be expensive. Tern Necklace, Brego Helm, lack of Rajas and Brutal... Is this real life? Your WS set is the least of your worries. Is it that hard to look at all the sets posted here and realizing you are doing it incredibly wrong? Sorry man. Not the most avid player. I was told I needed haste so I bought what I could. I also picked up a Grims and Zahak mail. Guess I need to finish COP. Didnt mean to tick anyone off. Just didn't know.
The tern neck isn't giving you any haste. You'd need the waist/back piece also to activate the 6%. That isn't worth taking up 3 slots of space. Just get yourself a Fazheulo helm for your tp set, and use af3 +2 head for WS set. That will bring you up to 23/24% depending on if you get fazheulo +1 or not. Rancor collar is dirt cheap, and can replace tern neck.
While not a perfect set up that will go a long way in addition to adding rajas ring when you finish Cop BBB.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-24 21:19:50
To be fair, that post came way later in a different thread and the discussion ended almost immediately for lack of numbers. Hope to see testing soon though!
My brother just reminded me he has a Farsha (not sure why!), so I'll do a bunch of weaponskills on Lightsday, since it should be inactive then, and then do a bunch on Watersday, since it should be active if it works for all darkness elements. Guess it shouldn't be too hard to tell a difference I'm sure.
edit: Firesday is in about 15 minutes so I guess I'll just try that now, then Earthsday immediately after since it's darkness as well.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-02-24 21:37:58
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Bismarck.Bloodbathboy said: »Thank you OP for asking these questions. I am 525 plates away from my 95 Ukkon. But sadly I have zero understanding about gearing for the WS. The only thing I know for sure is getting the gear for these set ups is going to be expensive. Tern Necklace, Brego Helm, lack of Rajas and Brutal... Is this real life? Your WS set is the least of your worries. Is it that hard to look at all the sets posted here and realizing you are doing it incredibly wrong? Sorry man. Not the most avid player. I was told I needed haste so I bought what I could. I also picked up a Grims and Zahak mail. Guess I need to finish COP. Didnt mean to tick anyone off. Just didn't know. Thank you!! I was told it had haste without the set. I will pick up the Collar!!
The tern neck isn't giving you any haste. You'd need the waist/back piece also to activate the 6%. That isn't worth taking up 3 slots of space. Just get yourself a Fazheulo helm for your tp set, and use af3 +2 head for WS set. That will bring you up to 23/24% depending on if you get fazheulo +1 or not. Rancor collar is dirt cheap, and can replace tern neck.
While not a perfect set up that will go a long way in addition to adding rajas ring when you finish Cop BBB.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2012-02-24 22:57:50
Getting Rancor and a Windbuffet belt!! Thanks for the advice guys!!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-24 23:23:40
To be fair, that post came way later in a different thread and the discussion ended almost immediately for lack of numbers. Hope to see testing soon though!
My brother just reminded me he has a Farsha (not sure why!), so I'll do a bunch of weaponskills on Lightsday, since it should be inactive then, and then do a bunch on Watersday, since it should be active if it works for all darkness elements. Guess it shouldn't be too hard to tell a difference I'm sure.
edit: Firesday is in about 15 minutes so I guess I'll just try that now, then Earthsday immediately after since it's darkness as well. Cloudsplitter is magical and has no monster-dependent damage component, so once weaponskill each on the appropriate days is enough.
Hello, i'm almost halfway on my ukon so i just started thinkin about some possible WS sets, but well, i'm not sure what i should build, STR or DA Crit ecc.
Any suggestion is appreciated ^-^
1st set mainly focused on str could be like this :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205175
2nd set with some more DA Crit% and Crit dmg :
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/205179
i'm also thinkin about Twilight helm and Ares's flanchard
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