Ukko's Fury Setup

I don't quite understand this one, how does a crit rate nerf make avant worse or better than ogier's?

I want to know as well.

I'm not seeing it either unless you are running with absolutely no buffs, no cor, no zerk, no temps, nothing.

I can see Ogier's breeches being much better with Phorcys Korazin.

My fault for not being more specific about what type of monster stats I was using.

That specific set assumes the monsters stats are: Level 106, 576 defense, 120 VIT, 120 AGI, and 485 evasion. Which should be in the ball park for any of the tier3 Zilart and higher tier Jueno II NMs. Evasion might be on the high end, which is why Ogier's legs and Avant hands +1 are winning.

If you're fighting a mob with lower eva and defense, Avant legs +1, Windbuffet belt, and Hecatomb mitts +1 (excluding phorcys hands when berserk is down) are the best options.

With Warcharge up war relic legs +2 with augment should pull ahead of all. IF you have it merited at least 3-4/5, considering each merit = 1% crit hit rate.

How are Avant+1 better than Ogier's anyway?

8STR is 1.36% increase
2%DA is at max a 1.1% increase

Thats total of 2.46%

Ogier's are 3% and 1 less attack so they win even with capped accuracy.

The difference between the two is very small, but you're low balling the STR, as it impacts both fSTR and WSC, and how much DA adds to f TP

Avant +1
((156 + 22 + 100)4.8437) 2.15 * 1.22 = 3532

Ogier's
((156 + 20 + 96)4.79411) 2.15 * 1.22 * 1.03 = 3523

Im not lowballing the STR or DA

DA is 1.1%
8STR is 4 base dmg which is at most 1.36% increase

What you are doing is not accounting for BoostSTR after which your fSTR should be capped.

With 120 Vit and 99Ukonvasara You need 220STR

I have 109 base
6 hasso
7 food
your set has 77STR
+24-25 from Boost-STR
Thats 223-224STR

You need full +2 fSTR from that 8STR to beat Ogier's by 0.15% (+6base dmg would be then 2.04% + 1.1% from 2%DA).

For mobs with VIT higher than 120 you probably want accuracy from Ogier's. For mob with less evasion you are capping fSTR before Avant's legs.

Touche, I did forget max boost-STR. But, in order for Ogier's to overtake Avant +1 on a mob with 120 VIT, you need to be Elvaan or Galka.

Nope. 1fSTR is still not enough to beat Ogier's You need full 8 STR to works for you so base STR around 98 so ... Taru?

Time to make Boost-STR up/down sets?...

Personaly like you stated
if fSTR is affected its +3% vs +3.15% assuming acc is capped
(That ~10 dmg difference you posted is that 0.15% I think)

Kinda pointless to even keep Avant+1 for those rare occasions when you gonna fight mob tough enough and you wont have BoostSTR and your acc will be capped and you will still get top 0.15% advantage.

Thanks for clearing that up, to the AH these go.

As much as I like gil, still keeping mine for SAM. :<

OK, so to clear up the last few posts, Ogier's breeches will win pretty much all the time now?

I have a quick question.

I know thunder gorget works for ukkos.

Does thunder belt work too?

overall i hear yes and no for the belt, wish someone could clear it up for me

Yes, if the thunder gorget works, so will the belt.
The people telling you otherwise are dumbies.

Edit: I'd go more in depth but doing a V/W run.

ty very much lol ^^

Will lose by 0.25% (pretty much what Ejiin posted 3532 over 3523) if you fight a mob wit 110+ VIT, you have no Boost-STR, your acc will be capped but you att wont and (if your att will be capped it will be 0.15%) Thats probably less than a 1% of all fight I will ever do so its pretty clear for me.

To add to that, you can use Thunder, Breeze or Light Gorget/belt, they all add the same fTP and acc.

newb of a question but both gorget and belt stack correct? or is it better to use only one and get a str belt or something

You can use both, should you desire to.

Ok, sweet. Yeah I am not going to have a gear set for such a specific situation, so Ogier's it is! I am glad I got em a long while ago for an idle set and for non-GA WSs.

They stack but you should go for Windbuffet belt + elemental gorget combo unless your accuracy is not capped.

is 5-hit better now? I haven't run numbers or checked on anything since lvl90 really lol

In Abyssea? I'm not sure.
IMO it isn't worth it in VW with maxed Regain Atma and Save TP atma if you have a COR. Between Retaliation and Double Attack (Was parsing maybe 30-40% DA rate per fight) a stronger 6 hit looks the way to go. White damage(DOT) still adds up a lot for a Warrior. Giving up claymore grip, ravager's earring/gorget/atheling for store tp options just seems counter productive at this point. Especially if you end up overflowing on TP because of Retaliation or double attack procs. Odds are you will reach 100TP in 3-4 attack rounds (without Save TP), possibly 1-3 attack rounds with atmacite/corsair. With a WAR 5 hit I imagine it might actually be the same or you will go over a hit at times.

Especially in those situations where you get Hasso/MarchX2/Chaos Roll/Save TP Roll/Champions Tonic on with capped gear haste. It might be worth doing with the new Nyzul Isle gear though, but even then you are talking about giving up 5 DA on the legs. :S


I figure why waste extra stats that can boost your DoT(Aftermath Up <3), Crit Rate and Weaponskill Frequency

Hey all, thanks for the great thread. It's been very helpful! I have a few questions that I'd like to ask so I'll try to be as concise as possible but this is still going to be long! ;^^

1. First of all, which contexts do you all typically have TP/WS sets for? By "context", I mean a specific state of variables such as buff status and enemy difficulty. Restraint status, Bergressor status and mob difficulty (ie, VW Tier) seem to be the most common but I'm also curious about context sets that account for VW drinks being activate as well as whether or not it's still relevant to use Blood Rage sets.

With 300% TP from a wing and Blood Rage up, using my WS set, I have 55+20+3+3+5+dDex=86+dDex crit. I would still need 14% crate from dDex before I reached the cap which I don't think would happen on the aforementioned 120 AGI mob, correct? On a related note, I was unable to find how much crit rate is gained by using Champion's Drink, but perhaps if Potency is accounted for in your context sets, this would be the only time to not use a tonberry item? I'm obviously a bit confused, so I'd love some clarification here.

2. My second question has to do with gear sets and upgrade prioritization-- I'm still missing a bunch of pieces and augments. I've seen a lot of X>Y statements here but without qualifiers for margin of improvement which leaves me uncertain about which upgrade is best to pursue next (I don't have Excel for the spreadsheet and it doesn't seem to work in Google docs).

Here is my current TP set:

And this is my generic WS set:


Other relevant pieces that I have available are Zahak's, Avant cuisses +1, Heca hands +1 (unaugmented), Heca legs +1 (unaugmented), Heafoc Mitts.

Obvious upgrades based on other posts that I've read here would include: Vulcan Earring/TP bonus earring, HQing my Grim, Mekira-oto +1 (and body for Restraint down), Avant hands +1 (context-specific), Armada hauberk, augments on my Hecatomb pieces, another Pyrosoul for WS, Windbuffet Belt, etc. Also, my Ukon is still 85 (39/75) but I'm working on that actively. As you can see, there's a lot of possibilities and it's difficult to figure out which to go for next without knowing the relative gains I will receive from each of them.

I'm making a relic and am unable to mass buy everything, but I'm always saving for more upgrades. I'm currently targeting Mekira-oto +1 as my next piece, but again I'm not sure if I would see a larger increase in my Ukko damage by buying this or by just getting a Windbuffet Belt in the meantime (for example).

3. My third question is related to the above: I noticed in the latest posted gear sets that crit%+ seems to be devalued on higher tier mobs, with gear sets heading in the direction of increasing fTP, accuracy and attack. Is it the case that most of the reason for this shift is to increase accuracy on evasive higher tier VW mobs? If so, wouldn't it be the case that gear sets for weaker mobs should still include crit boosting pieces (Zahak's, for example) or was the nerf significant enough to change setups for even those mobs?

Related to this, I'm surprised to see the TP Bonus earring winning on higher tier mobs if the trend on strong mobs is away from crit%+. Any thoughts? How far behind TP Bonus earring are other options like Aesir, Centaurus and Vulcan?

Thanks in advance and sorry if any of these questions were silly, still trying to get my bearings again after a 4 year break… :)

Edit: I should clarify that everything above is for Outside/VW.

Thank you OP for asking these questions. I am 525 plates away from my 95 Ukkon. But sadly I have zero understanding about gearing for the WS. The only thing I know for sure is getting the gear for these set ups is going to be expensive.

This is why we can't have nice things.