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 Ragnarok.Ejiin
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-01-04 19:00:49
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Any thoughts on how the new Ogier's Breeches stack up?

Higher tier VW NMs:
Berserk Up:
Avant +1 > Perfect Bellicus > Ogier's > 4 crit heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager +2 > Hachiryu

Berserk Down:
Avant +1 > Heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager's +2 > Hachiryu > Bellicus > Ogier's

Keep in mind, the damage difference between the best and worst is basically 50 damage or less on WS average, but this is how I'd describe leg hierarchy at the moment.
Sorry for the noob moment or if it has been covered already, but where do augmented 4% crit damage Haidate fall in that list?

If we assume VW NMs have AGI so high it's impossible to cap dDEX on them, then byakko's isn't even on the radar. However, on fodder mobs where you'd be able to get dex high enough, they'd probably be the best option.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-01-04 19:08:52
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Are you assuming capped accuracy there Ejiin? I was using Ogier's in my uncapped acc set.

I haven't really parsed much of the newer content, but I assumed you weren't at capped accuracy even with Stalwarts, or at least certainly not without the drink (assuming there is a time when you don't have a fresh stalwarts..).

I guess, assuming you always have stalwarts, the only question is:

Are you at uncapped accuracy when aggressor is down, even with stalwarts? And if so, wouldn't Ogier's be the best legs at that point?

Thus, wouldn't it be:

Aggressor up: Avant+1
Aggressor down: Ogier's
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2012-01-04 19:13:28
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Anything lower than Botulus Rex I'm 90% sure my acc is capped with stalwart's. And even with Rex, my melee acc was fairly high and WS avg didn't seem to suffer at all.

I see no reason at all why you wouldn't be able to fulltime stalwart's, even in most pick up groups.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-01-04 19:49:57
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I guess I'll stick with Avant+1 then and do some parses to see if I should have an aggressor down set during those fights.

edit:

Did we all come to an agreement on the 3% crit rate neck + Tonberry back? Or still Atheling + Rancors?
 
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By Ragnarok.Connavarr 2012-01-06 07:10:12
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Hey guys! Just finished my 85 Ukon last night, and wanted to get some advice on my gear. This is my TP set at the moment:



This is my Ukko's set now, open to any suggestions! Note: Haven't done much VW, but have gotten the 3 nations cleared and am starting to work on higher tiers. Any VW gear suggested may be awhile, so if there's something i can get in the meantime, lemme know! :)





Any and all suggestions are welcome! Sorry if the post is long, but wanted to make sure I'm doing muh WAR right here. :)


EDIT: Added itemsets.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2012-01-06 08:40:59
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Cerberus.Quipto said: »
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Any thoughts on how the new Ogier's Breeches stack up?

Higher tier VW NMs:
Berserk Up:
Avant +1 > Perfect Bellicus > Ogier's > 4 crit heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager +2 > Hachiryu

Berserk Down:
Avant +1 > Heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager's +2 > Hachiryu > Bellicus > Ogier's

Keep in mind, the damage difference between the best and worst is basically 50 damage or less on WS average, but this is how I'd describe leg hierarchy at the moment.
Sorry for the noob moment or if it has been covered already, but where do augmented 4% crit damage Haidate fall in that list?

If we assume VW NMs have AGI so high it's impossible to cap dDEX on them, then byakko's isn't even on the radar. However, on fodder mobs where you'd be able to get dex high enough, they'd probably be the best option.

IMO Perfect Bellicus don't exist. wasted like 400 trophies so far :/
Probably going to get Avant+1 and never look back.
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By Xorn 2012-01-07 00:20:14
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@Connavarr

You probably want to swap Agasaya's for Ravager's gorget for TP and Grim Cuirass for Zahak's mail on WS.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-01-07 02:55:51
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Fenrir.Skarwind said: »

IMO Perfect Bellicus don't exist. wasted like 400 trophies so far :/
Probably going to get Avant+1 and never look back.

I got Bellicus with Acc +3, Crit Rate +2% and WS Dmg +2% a few days ago. It was my 300th or so try I'd say.
Not perfect yet, but close.

I am starting to believe the day you go for the augments has some degree of effect on them, as after getting that pair on a lightningsday and trying again today on the same day I noticed a much more frequent number of +Crit Rate and +WS Dmg augments, only not paired together or not with high enough values to beat the ones I got (I usually check the day of the week I get better than usual augments and that was my 1st time trading trophies on a lightningsday).

Perhaps also moon phase matters. The ones I got were on around 33% crescent iirc. I hope this helps. Don't give up!
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By Bahamut.Attribute 2012-01-07 03:42:31
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This may be a dumb question also but I have been wondering. Would Avant body +1 be better than Grim +1 hence the DA+3?
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By FenrirKiwi 2012-01-07 04:00:06
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my biggest question is Grim body +1 > zahakis mail outside? i read alot on which to use but most VW War's i see seem to use Grim > all outside also. Also how does the Avant body +1 fair against both?
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By Ragnarok.Connavarr 2012-01-07 11:47:27
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Xorn said: »
@Connavarr

You probably want to swap Agasaya's for Ravager's gorget for TP and Grim Cuirass for Zahak's mail on WS.


Ravager's gorget for TP is an easy switch to make. However, I thought Zahak's was better in Abyssea? I'm not a math person by anymeans, just what I've been told/read. I only bring this up because I don't make any sets for abyssea barring Kamome off-hand on my lolNIN.

Not saying the information you gave is wrong in anyway, just wanted to clarify that Zahak's > Grim outside is all.

Any other pieces I should look for?
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By Xorn 2012-01-07 16:54:59
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Well, I don't actually have an Ukon myself yet. But I'm just speculating that Zahak's will be better once the nerf goes live. Not really sure.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-01-07 17:07:23
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my biggest question is Grim body +1 > zahakis mail outside? i read alot on which to use but most VW War's i see seem to use Grim > all outside also. Also how does the Avant body +1 fair against both?

Grim was always better inside, Zahak's was better outside. After the adjustments, I'd suggest using Zahak's for both. Avant Mail +1 will probably pull ahead (outside) if you don't have Stalwart's/Attack Food.
 
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-01-07 17:38:34
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-07 18:23:37
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Will Zahak's or Avant +1 really beat out Grim/+1 outside Abbysea? Apologies if it's just obvious.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2012-01-07 18:25:03
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If your attack is near capped (which shouldn't be that difficult, to be honest except on T6), yes, easily.
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-07 18:45:29
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Interesting. What kind of numbers are you considering to be capped attack?
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By FenrirKiwi 2012-01-07 21:17:29
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so all said and done Avant Mail +1 > Zahaks Mail outside?
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-01-08 06:40:37
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
Bismarck.Altar said: »
Any thoughts on how the new Ogier's Breeches stack up?

Higher tier VW NMs:
Berserk Up:
Avant +1 > Perfect Bellicus > Ogier's > 4 crit heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager +2 > Hachiryu

Berserk Down:
Avant +1 > Heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager's +2 > Hachiryu > Bellicus > Ogier's

Keep in mind, the damage difference between the best and worst is basically 50 damage or less on WS average, but this is how I'd describe leg hierarchy at the moment.

That doesnt make sense at all.
Hachiryu far behind Ogier's for berserk up but better for berserk down? You missed 20att on Ogier's or what? If Ogier's are betetr for berserk up then they should be even more better for berserk down.

Also:
1%QA,2%TA,~27%DA(before legs)
fTP avg: 3+.1+.06+.08+.52=3.76
2%DA from avant+1 3.8/3.76= ~1%
base(before legs): ((109+64+7+6+24+8)*.6*.85+144+~20(fSTR))=275
8STR from Avant+1= +6base =~2%

In the end its something like +0.3%dmg and +1att vs 20acc.
I would stick with Ogier's personally. Also I have no idea how perfect Bellicus would jump between those 2 when difference is almost non existence.
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By Garuda.Blacklion 2012-01-09 15:18:58
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Bahamut.Atoreis said: »
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
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Any thoughts on how the new Ogier's Breeches stack up?
Higher tier VW NMs: Berserk Up: Avant +1 > Perfect Bellicus > Ogier's > 4 crit heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager +2 > Hachiryu Berserk Down: Avant +1 > Heca +1 > Warrior's +2 > Ravager's +2 > Hachiryu > Bellicus > Ogier's Keep in mind, the damage difference between the best and worst is basically 50 damage or less on WS average, but this is how I'd describe leg hierarchy at the moment.
That doesnt make sense at all. Hachiryu far behind Ogier's for berserk up but better for berserk down? You missed 20att on Ogier's or what? If Ogier's are betetr for berserk up then they should be even more better for berserk down. Also: 1%QA,2%TA,~27%DA(before legs) fTP avg: 3+.1+.06+.08+.52=3.76 2%DA from avant+1 3.8/3.76= ~1% base(before legs): ((109+64+7+6+24+8)*.6*.85+144+~20(fSTR))=275 8STR from Avant+1= +6base =~2% In the end its something like +0.3%dmg and +1att vs 20acc. I would stick with Ogier's personally. Also I have no idea how perfect Bellicus would jump between those 2 when difference is almost non existence.

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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-01-09 15:30:18
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Bahamut.Atoreis said:
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By FenrirKiwi 2012-01-09 16:30:46
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Not sure if been posted havent seen much but has anyone comfirmed that the "Increases Double Attack Damage" from the Warrior Cuisses +2 effects WS damage and if yes whats the %
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2012-01-09 16:38:04
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Bismarck.Eburo said: »
Enmity +2

Seriously though, I don't know. :/
I would think use ravagers head in both sets.
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By Lakshmi.Blacklion 2012-01-09 16:50:06
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FenrirKiwi said: »
Not sure if been posted havent seen much but has anyone comfirmed that the "Increases Double Attack Damage" from the Warrior Cuisses +2 effects WS damage and if yes whats the %

3% IIRC, Don't quote me though, i still don't have them.
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