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By Bismarck.Olebisque 2011-09-28 20:08:59
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what stats are you talking about on the moonshade earring? i havnt done those missions yet so havnt looked at the augments for it
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-28 20:33:00
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Regain.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2011-09-28 21:17:56
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yeah, regain+attack
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 05:37:59
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"occ grants dmg bonus +5%" + att
at 300% tp it effectivly does double dmg. and will stack on AM, and set procs. ive hit upwards of 1890 non crit. and hit single crits 1.2-1.5k without AM on. hit those 2.5k to 3k+ crits way more often with AM on. And proc rate is quite decent. Screw regain, u get 1 tick tp for every 3 secs if engaged. id much rather have the dmg boost.
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 05:51:24
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I have used ele gorget+belt for a long time, figured id try out rancor. from my brief testing, ele gorget came out ahead. bout 500dmg diff outta aby, and close to a 1.5k diff inside.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2011-09-29 05:51:29
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
"occ grants dmg bonus +5%" + att
at 300% tp it effectivly does double dmg. and will stack on AM, and set procs. ive hit upwards of 1890 non crit. and hit single crits 1.2-1.5k without AM on. hit those 2.5k to 3k+ crits way more often with AM on. And proc rate is quite decent. Screw regain, u get 1 tick tp for every 3 secs if engaged. id much rather have the dmg boost.

Why the hell are you holding 300% TP

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I have used ele gorget+belt for a long time, figured id try out rancor. from my brief testing, ele gorget came out ahead. bout 500dmg diff outta aby, and close to a 1.5k diff inside.

Also, where are your sources for the elegorget > rancor, all the math I've seen points to rancor (abit more marginally outside but was still winning last I checked). Actually wtf@ 500-1.5k damage difference -

NVM, I check your profile and see calm subligar and brave grip, that answered all my questions.
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 06:03:28
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if i had heca legs id aug and use instead. cal sub pull ahead of af+3 in aby. since inside aby triple att>DA proc, i average 5-7k in this setup, hiting 9-10k+ at least 3 to 4 times a night. not like i just use my gear blindly, ive tested almost everything against the setup i use, and this seems to be best. but iam always down for suggestions. i just recently started using Zahaks. was amazed how much better it accually was than twilight.
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2011-09-29 06:11:43
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
cal sub pull ahead of af+3 in aby. since inside aby triple att>DA proc
just curious, why do you ws in brutal earring then?
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 06:15:28
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well better to have DA proc if TA doesnt. vulcans better?
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2011-09-29 06:20:31
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I was just wondering why you felt 5% on legs cockblocks your triple attack, but 5% on earring doesn't. either way, i can't justify gearing towards something that only happens 15% of the time.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2011-09-29 06:26:04
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Signs point to Emp+2 legs still ahead even with Apoc atma unless cratio capped on... fodder crap. The 1.5k difference on rancor and elegorget is still pretty lol, so I'm calling BS and eyeballing.
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 06:29:07
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Cal sub is not just about the TA proc if i wanted that id wear them lame *** cal pants. Really idk what peoples grudge is with them, granted they make u look like a ken doll. but hell str 7 with crit hit rate is nice, since i dont have heca legs to aug. and have tested them for a long time against af+2. af+2 do seem to pull ahead outty aby. but in aby they seem better for my dmg. If uve nvr tried them dont bash them.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Neisan 2011-09-29 06:36:46
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So basically, all you have is eyeballing and 'I think it's better', and somehow elegorget is 500-1.5k damage better than rancor (this isn't possible and sawtelle already posted the math between them earlier in this very thread). Once again, I'm calling BS.
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 06:41:57
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Listen troll. no i havnt done the math and yes it is eyeballing my dmg. but from what i saw it was better to me. personally i dont care about DOT dmg. really what mob anymore lasts more than a couple of mins.
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2011-09-29 06:42:19
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
Cal sub is not just about the TA proc if i wanted that id wear them lame *** cal pants. Really idk what peoples grudge is with them, granted they make u look like a ken doll. but hell str 7 with crit hit rate is nice, since i dont have heca legs to aug. and have tested them for a long time against af+2. af+2 do seem to pull ahead outty aby. but in aby they seem better for my dmg. If uve nvr tried them dont bash them.
Pretty sure it was already tested previously in this thread that AF3+2 beat Hachiryu legs, which is 3 more STR and 5 attack. :x
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 06:51:17
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All you people read these threads on other peoples tests, why dont you get up buy or obtain the gear and test for yourself. Ive EYEballed pretty much everything available to me. if you think ur setup is better come out and dmg test with me, iam always down for gear suggestions. Proof isnt in these threads its on the game.
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2011-09-29 06:53:52
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
All you people read these threads on other peoples tests, why dont you get up buy or obtain the gear and test for yourself. Ive EYEballed pretty much everything available to me. if you think ur setup is better come out and dmg test with me, iam always down for gear suggestions. Proof isnt in these threads its on the game.
Math is math. The game runes off math. Not eyeballing. It's not like these people do shitty tests, they do in-depth testing and mathing of the gear.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-09-29 06:58:45
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
All you people read these threads on other peoples tests, why dont you get up buy or obtain the gear and test for yourself. Ive EYEballed pretty much everything available to me. if you think ur setup is better come out and dmg test with me, iam always down for gear suggestions. Proof isnt in these threads its on the game.

Considering everything in the game runs off of mathematical equations in each and every imaginable situation, you can simulate anything with numbers. So yes, you'll find the right answers in these threads, not your eyeballing 'hurrdurr ele gorget beats rancor by 500-1500 damage" nonsense.

Meh beat
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By Leviathan.Smokehaze 2011-09-29 07:05:23
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I never said u couldnt get awnsers from here, just saying dont bash someones else's equip if uve never played with them or seen their damage.
Test ***for yourself.
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2011-09-29 07:12:53
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Leviathan.Smokehaze said: »
I never said u couldnt get awnsers from here, just saying dont bash someones else's equip if uve never played with them or seen their damage.
Test ***for yourself.

***'s been tested to death. AF3+2 beats Hachiryu, Hahchiryu beats those.
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By Alexander.Vivicide 2011-09-29 08:46:56
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By the way, mathematically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu. How would it make sense if this comparisons exist:
Zahak's vs Grim +1 (barring att because with capped att Zahak > Grim +1) so:
~3% crit rate > 6 str
that leads to:
~2% crit rate > 4str
with the difference from hachiryu to calmacec being:
+2% crit rate vs 3str

One can only come to the conclusion that Camacec > Hachiryu. I would assume the comment that this has been tested to death is completely flawed. Not that I care. Neither are really my style. But logically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu not the other way around.

Oh and Claymore Grip > Pole. I don't know why people still argue for Pole.

If you had the option of 3% crit rate or 6str would you take the str? The answer is no because Zahak's beats grim +1 in capped att settings so 3% crit rate definitely beats 6str. 6str would definitely beat 2%DA. All that to lead to 2%DA < 3% Crit rate.

Use Claymore Grip.... or don't... like I care if you suck.
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By BorealisV2 2011-09-29 09:19:20
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Alexander.Vivicide said: »
By the way, mathematically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu. How would it make sense if this comparisons exist:
Zahak's vs Grim +1 (barring att because with capped att Zahak > Grim +1) so:
~3% crit rate > 6 str
that leads to:
~2% crit rate > 4str
with the difference from hachiryu to calmacec being:
+2% crit rate vs 3str

One can only come to the conclusion that Camacec > Hachiryu. I would assume the comment that this has been tested to death is completely flawed. Not that I care. Neither are really my style. But logically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu not the other way around.

Oh and Claymore Grip > Pole. I don't know why people still argue for Pole.

If you had the option of 3% crit rate or 6str would you take the str? The answer is no because Zahak's beats grim +1 in capped att settings so 3% crit rate definitely beats 6str. 6str would definitely beat 2%DA. All that to lead to 2%DA < 3% Crit rate.

Use Claymore Grip.... or don't... like I care if you suck.

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By Entourage 2011-09-29 09:49:40
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Osode is the new Zahaks (sell that ***)

anytime you'd be using Calmecac, you should be using Bellicus/B.Haidate
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By Alexander.Vivicide 2011-09-29 11:19:52
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BorealisV2 said: »
Alexander.Vivicide said: »
By the way, mathematically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu. How would it make sense if this comparisons exist:
Zahak's vs Grim +1 (barring att because with capped att Zahak > Grim +1) so:
~3% crit rate > 6 str
that leads to:
~2% crit rate > 4str
with the difference from hachiryu to calmacec being:
+2% crit rate vs 3str

One can only come to the conclusion that Camacec > Hachiryu. I would assume the comment that this has been tested to death is completely flawed. Not that I care. Neither are really my style. But logically Calmacec are definitely better then Hachiryu not the other way around.

Oh and Claymore Grip > Pole. I don't know why people still argue for Pole.

If you had the option of 3% crit rate or 6str would you take the str? The answer is no because Zahak's beats grim +1 in capped att settings so 3% crit rate definitely beats 6str. 6str would definitely beat 2%DA. All that to lead to 2%DA < 3% Crit rate.

Use Claymore Grip.... or don't... like I care if you suck.

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You are complaining about the use of then instead of than? Jesus Christ, did I also have some other errors?! Save me from a life void of punctuation and full of grammatical errors!

edit: Yes, I'm aware calmacec aren't that good, I'm not saying to use them.
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By BorealisV2 2011-09-29 11:21:16
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Than*

You're welcome.
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By Alexander.Vivicide 2011-09-29 11:27:30
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BorealisV2 said: »
Than*

You're welcome.

Pfft you clearly mean your welcome.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2011-09-29 11:29:12
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By Valefor.Byxfluzba 2011-09-29 11:34:08
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By Itze 2011-09-29 17:01:36
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Bahamut.Itze said: »
About to make a maschu+2 once I clear the last 8 chesma. What would I be looking at for TP/WS with out a rose strap?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-09-29 17:24:46
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Itze said: »
Bahamut.Itze said: »
About to make a maschu+2 once I clear the last 8 chesma. What would I be looking at for TP/WS with out a rose strap?

Replace Widowmaker with Maschu; TP:




Replace Ukonvasara with Machu; WS:

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