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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2013-01-19 12:09:06
Which game is that Kali?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:09:24
People normally put a readme text file in torrents to help with that. :|
people who torrent should know how to extract and mount an iso... Unless it's not something they've done before.
Like for most things. Didn't know how to make a Reuben before I was given instructions. http://www.google.com is your friend... Still seeking instructions. It's no different than asking on here. Except he has some familiarity with the posters here rather than randomguy#739 on some random site. nvm, you don't get it.
I personally wouldn't want all my torrents bloated with stupid readmes, nor would I take the time to add them for common computer knowledge, if somebody isn't smart enough to figure out what a disc image file is, then they shouldn't be torrenting. eh, plenty of jackasses do that anyways.
Then you get these 10, 20, 50 page discussions on the torrent pages of people confused on how to do it, and people will claim they got it to work doing this then others don't have the same experience cause the guy didn't include everything he did. Then comes in someone that writes detailed instructions on how to do it and people are forced to bump the instructions every few pages so people can find it easier.
When all the guy had to do was spend 3 minutes to be thoughtful.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2013-01-19 12:10:14
People normally put a readme text file in torrents to help with that. :|
people who torrent should know how to extract and mount an iso... Unless it's not something they've done before.
Like for most things. Didn't know how to make a Reuben before I was given instructions. http://www.google.com is your friend... Still seeking instructions. It's no different than asking on here. Except he has some familiarity with the posters here rather than randomguy#739 on some random site. nvm, you don't get it.
I personally wouldn't want all my torrents bloated with stupid readmes, nor would I take the time to add them for common computer knowledge, if somebody isn't smart enough to figure out what a disc image file is, then they shouldn't be torrenting. What am I not getting? He hasn't done anything like this before, so he clearly had no idea what any of it meant, or what would be involved, therefore he asked. Asking here is almost exactly the same thing as using google to research. But you generally need to know what you're going to need to research to research something.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:10:34
Dark Souls
that's the Moonlight Butterfly
By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:13:14
People normally put a readme text file in torrents to help with that. :|
people who torrent should know how to extract and mount an iso... Unless it's not something they've done before.
Like for most things. Didn't know how to make a Reuben before I was given instructions. http://www.google.com is your friend... Still seeking instructions. It's no different than asking on here. Except he has some familiarity with the posters here rather than randomguy#739 on some random site. nvm, you don't get it.
I personally wouldn't want all my torrents bloated with stupid readmes, nor would I take the time to add them for common computer knowledge, if somebody isn't smart enough to figure out what a disc image file is, then they shouldn't be torrenting. What am I not getting? He hasn't done anything like this before, so he clearly had no idea what any of it meant, or what would be involved, therefore he asked. Asking here is almost exactly the same thing as using google to research. But you generally need to know what you're going to need to research to research something. you changed the subject at hand from "normally they put readmes to help with that" to "he was just asking for help"
I have no problem with him asking for help, I'm ripping on the idea that a readme file is necessary in each and every torrent.
that's what you don't get.
By Quiznor 2013-01-19 12:13:45
Dark Souls
that's the Moonlight Butterfly

Looks lije the narwhal (sp?) From futurama
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:15:04
Dark Souls
that's the Moonlight Butterfly

Looks lije the narwhal (sp?) From futurama >_>?
they look nothing alike...
By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:16:21
People normally put a readme text file in torrents to help with that. :|
people who torrent should know how to extract and mount an iso... Unless it's not something they've done before.
Like for most things. Didn't know how to make a Reuben before I was given instructions. http://www.google.com is your friend... Still seeking instructions. It's no different than asking on here. Except he has some familiarity with the posters here rather than randomguy#739 on some random site. nvm, you don't get it.
I personally wouldn't want all my torrents bloated with stupid readmes, nor would I take the time to add them for common computer knowledge, if somebody isn't smart enough to figure out what a disc image file is, then they shouldn't be torrenting. eh, plenty of jackasses do that anyways.
Then you get these 10, 20, 50 page discussions on the torrent pages of people confused on how to do it, and people will claim they got it to work doing this then others don't have the same experience cause the guy didn't include everything he did. Then comes in someone that writes detailed instructions on how to do it and people are forced to bump the instructions every few pages so people can find it easier.
When all the guy had to do was spend 3 minutes to be thoughtful.
I find that if people can't figure it out, then they probably shouldn't be using it.
I say this while I'm sending somebody a torrent to download something while I told him what to do just about for each step...
trial and error and problem solving are skills people need to spend more time nurturing and using, I don't find a readme is necessary fore something as simple as a compressed file or a disc image, as they are very standard things in the computer world.
Then again some people need help saving a word document...
By Quiznor 2013-01-19 12:16:52
Lies!
Paint it green and stuck on some green ribbons and its exactly the same thing
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2013-01-19 12:17:34
I was kinda following the whole "it's common computer knowledge" thing. Took it you were implying he shouldn't have needed any help at all. Sorry. :|
You're acting like the ReadMe would be a huge file though. Your instructions from the previous page were 1 KB. Deleting it would take a second at most.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:19:26
I was kinda following the whole "it's common computer knowledge" thing. Took it you were implying he shouldn't have needed any help at all. Sorry. :|
You're acting like the ReadMe would be a huge file though. Your instructions from the previous page were 1 KB. Deleting it would take a second at most. Don't think it's about the size, just think he thinks everyone who uses a computer should know these things, and if they don't then they shouldn't be torrenting.
I just don't agree with it.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2013-01-19 12:22:17
Neither do I.
Until I started emulating games, an ISO wasn't relevant to anything I used a computer for. I don't make a habit of learning things I wont be using or I'm not particularly interested in.
And even after I started emulating, most emulators don't require the ISO to be mounted, so yeah. :|
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2013-01-19 12:24:58
On break at wooork!!
By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:25:51
I was kinda following the whole "it's common computer knowledge" thing. Took it you were implying he shouldn't have needed any help at all. Sorry. :|
You're acting like the ReadMe would be a huge file though. Your instructions from the previous page were 1 KB. Deleting it would take a second at most. my point is it's not necessary, when there's well documented articles easily available on google.
Don't think it's about the size, just think he thinks everyone who uses a computer should know these things, and if they don't then they shouldn't be torrenting.
I just don't agree with it.
No, I think that people who are torrenting should know these things, that if they don't they shouldn't be torrenting, as if they don't know these basic things they probably don't know how to keep themselves safe while torrenting and are opening themselves up to a lot of problems.
the ability to troubleshoot/learn are skills all people on computers should have though...
I don't like contributing to people's helplessness.
to each there own though.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:26:42
Neither do I.
Until I started emulating games, an ISO wasn't relevant to anything I used a computer for. I don't make a habit of learning things I wont be using or I'm not particularly interested in.
And even after I started emulating, most emulators don't require the ISO to be mounted, so yeah. :| That's also when I learned about ISO's and mounting, was good experience but not everyone does it.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:27:59
Neither do I.
Until I started emulating games, an ISO wasn't relevant to anything I used a computer for. I don't make a habit of learning things I wont be using or I'm not particularly interested in.
And even after I started emulating, most emulators don't require the ISO to be mounted, so yeah. :| should still know what the file is, or how to use it.
people should know basic common filetypes.
people should know the difference between a .html .doc .iso .zp .exe .msi .txt .inf .jpg .gif .png etc
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-19 12:29:16
That's also when I learned about mounting, was good experience but not everyone does it. Oh yeah, I remember my first time too. Wild summer nights during highschool years.
Wait, what?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:30:10
lol, no
You should not expect people to know what a file extension means. That is why there are websites that tell you in detail what each one does.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:30:13
That's also when I learned about mounting, was good experience but not everyone does it. Oh yeah, I remember my first time too. Wild summer nights during highschool years.
Wait, what?
I laughed so hard I started choking.
Seha trying to kill me...
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:30:27
That's also when I learned about mounting, was good experience but not everyone does it. Oh yeah, I remember my first time too. Wild summer nights during highschool years.
Wait, what? <3
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-01-19 12:31:40
If you're gonna download ***you should at least be able to google how to install w/e you download. Googling isn't even difficult yet some people can't even do that
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:32:11
lol, no
You should not expect people to know what a file extension means. That is why there are websites that tell you in detail what each one does.
I expect a lot of people to, but at the very least people should understand what a file type is, and that there are differences (probably not memorize what they are) and be able to look up what they are if they need to know.
I all the time have to look up certain extensions when I run across a new file type, or if I'm trying to figure out what the *** something is, I help a coworker at work with it all the time and he's been in the business for decades.
and even 1k files add up if you have millions of them.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2013-01-19 12:32:47
I always search the answer on google to understand wtf went wrong when I did the exact process as they told me. Something ALWAYS goes wrong when I install something.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:32:53
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »If you're gonna download ***you should at least be able to google how to install w/e you download. Googling isn't even difficult yet some people can't even do that True, but you could avoid having people look up what to do by including a readme file.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:34:35
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »If you're gonna download ***you should at least be able to google how to install w/e you download. Googling isn't even difficult yet some people can't even do that
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:36:17
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »If you're gonna download ***you should at least be able to google how to install w/e you download. Googling isn't even difficult yet some people can't even do that True, but you could avoid having people look up what to do by including a readme file.
sorry but don't agree, maybe for a severely complicated install, or some hacks, but not for simple "extract this with a program that can extract files"
"mount this with a program that can mount disc images"
it's a waste of their time, and ours really, it's only contributing to the ignorance of people...
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2013-01-19 12:37:19
If you don't hold someone's hand when it comes to this stuff they'll learn to look things up for themselves and try to figure it out. Eventually they won't need readme files anymore.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-01-19 12:40:10
That's also when I learned about mounting, was good experience but not everyone does it. Oh yeah, I remember my first time too. Wild summer nights during highschool years.
Wait, what? <3 You two be careful, y'all might break Sagi's feeble mind with that kinda talk.
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By Jetackuu 2013-01-19 12:40:35
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »If you don't hold someone's hand when it comes to this stuff they'll learn to look things up for themselves and try to figure it out. Eventually they won't need readme files anymore. or they rage quit and give up, really the ultimate equalizer.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2013-01-19 12:40:56
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »If you don't hold someone's hand when it comes to this stuff they'll learn to look things up for themselves and try to figure it out. Eventually they won't need readme files anymore. I'm not saying everyone needs a readme file.
You have to consider that everyone that downloads has different levels of experience with doing this.
Some people are just starting out and want to download a PS1 game they played years ago and don't know what to do. If they had a readme file they wouldn't of had to look up what an ISO is, what it's for, how to use it, then find out what daemon tools is and how to play ps1 games.
A readme file would of fixed that instantly and they would of learned how to do it in less time.
Not everyone wants to be someone knowledgeable about computers, and all they want is a quick fix and move on. You shouldn't' criticize those types of people just because they don't spend as much time on a computer as you do.
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This is a thread that I found on another website I post at. It can be really really interesting. I thought it deserved a place here.
Post your random thoughts for the day here, or anything else that intrigues you.
For starters, is it possible to give constructive critism to someone who doesn't have a neck? I totally just walked by a girl who didn't. Someone isn't getting a necklace for Valentines day!
And who decided black and white can't be colors? I want to say a racist. I really do.
Inb4thisthreadgetsreallywtf
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