Random Thoughts.....What Are You Thinking?

Expecting male specimens not to be affected by things they see is like expecting a lemon not to be bitter.

Just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Pretty sure Jesus doesn't expect humanity to be sinless, lol, quite the the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

The whole Christian world view is that humanity can not escape from original sin, therefore humanity needs God/Jesus.

No expectations, no disappointment!

IMHO Neutral / evil passing for lawful / good.

And Deedee?

I am deeply disappointed that Panta didn't give me a spot.

May I take the spot for greed, please? I think I am quite qualified!!!

Greed also has the coolest special power in Full Metal Alchemist.

How are good and evil objectively known quantities. If we met an alien race and we started talking about good and evil and morality, do you think they would have the same idea about what these things mean?

Sure, someone like Rooks can decide what is a sin wrt to etiquette in a place they own. That does not mean everyone else has the same idea in every other place, or in a public setting.

Even the very word "sin" has connotations. Good/evil exist beyond what makes a sin, they are still human made concepts though.

Dante followed the Christian model for example, and assigned everything evil as the work of Satan (not the dbz character).

Easy to say nothing evil you do is your fault if you can just blame something else for it I guess.

tiger kills animal - Animal family loses member and they are sad - But to the tigers cubs, it was tuesday

That is called the circle of life, Mustafa explained that it was all lawful good in his big long speech in the lion king.

Btw Panta.... arrogant and elitist are 2 different things....=.=

An "Arrogant" person wouldn't dismiss their own ability and turn to AI for help. Because they fully believe in their own ability.

An Arrogant person will tell you "I am better than you"

An elitist will tell you "this action/system is a better choice". Then proceed to use AI to optimize their own action or system, because elitists prioritize efficiency and success.

Elitists can be seen as arrogant sometimes, when they dismiss inefficient methods. but it's not quite the same. Arrogance isn't rooted in desire for efficiency, it's rooted in having too much confidence.

I am an elitist, not arrogant. It's important to see the difference!

Then I must be the alpha arrogant, because I'm better than you, and you know it.

Light could no longer pass as/was no longer a Utilitarian by the end of the show. He didn't keep doing what he did for "the greater good" (that was the case at the beginning, or at least what he used as justification till he got drunk with power). He did it because he developed a god complex. It's very clear in the story.




That's Light. He does want power & absolute control for the sake of having power, because he believed he dsererved it. His narcissistic trait was the basis for his evil transformation. He had no moral qualms doing a lot of immoral acts for self-gain. Again, the final scene shows it very clearly (along with many events prior to that). Everything he did was first and foremost in self-interest.

Light was Lawful Evil.

Well, someone else already called you out few pages ago so I am not going to beat a dead horse .-.

A good example of a chaotic good/neutral character would be Frank Castle (Punisher).

I'm sorry, who called me out?
The person who went on an unhinged rant because I made a joke response about neutering to Panta after he posted a gif of a dog holding a katana??? Thats who called me out??? The same dude who posted in the FFXI weapon tierlist thread how the job the weapon for matters because if its not part of the current meta, the weapon is actually ***??? cmon lol

A lot of people said he is lawful but I don't quite buy it. Using death note to enforce Justice in the beginning is a very classic chaotic good anti-hero trope. So he doesn't even believe in law, he opposed it.

So how can you possibly put him in chaotic category in the beginning THEN make him lawful in the end.

His own "personal code of justice" is also widely inconsistent which is overwhelmingly not a "lawful" trait. He can bent his own code of justice and use it differently when he sees fit. He went from "this is okay" to "this and this and this are all okay" in the story. If you are lawful you wouldn't do that.

Lawful is often being seen as inflexible precisely because a lawful characters will rigorously follow a code and wouldn't just change it for their need.

So IMO, it's quite clear that he is not in lawful camp.

As for whether he is evil or not, this has more room for debate. He does have narcissist personality. That's why he believe his personal code of justice is the absolute. This personal code isn't rooted in desire, it's rooted in his own ideology. And his god complex came from his confidence with his ability after he won his first battle against L. He developed his god complex after he become successful and gained extreme confidence, not because he is born with a desire for power.

So I would see him as a chaotic neutral person who has narcissist personality, and his narcissist personality make him believe what he do is right and it should be enforced further, which makes him looks like he belongs to evil alignment on surface but not really.

He is definitely a VERY different type of character from Cersei Lannister for example. Cersei is IMO a classic power loving evil character that loves power for what it is.

Another classic example is Scar from Lion King. He loves power for what it is. Those characters doesn't need to find an ideology to justify their desire, they love power because power gives them good stuff.

Verdict: Light Yagami can not join my evil army, he is REJECTED. But Cersei Lannister and Scar can!

Come on man, you know that rant didn't happen because of one gif lol.

And once again, I was right.

Wtf…

Im just 1h away for lunch, and you guys already fill the entire page with chitchat…

Sometimes I feel like Im the only one who works here…

Left hand fork
Right hand phone

For anyone who thinks Light was “good” even for a single moment, lets recap that Light KILLED the fake L very early, just because he felt challenged.

Despite fake L being an actual criminal, from Lights perspective fake L was just someone taunting him

And even criminals have right for a judgement.

Light tried to be both the judge and the executioner.

The perfect combination for a despot

Well, it looks like Panta can not understand DnD system >.>

Try to be a judge and executioner is exactly what chaotic good characters often do. If they let criminals have a fair judgement in the legal system, that makes them lawful good.

Also Panta:

lost soul aside is basically ff origin stranger of paradise. gameplay is fun, rest is pretty bad.

But what is DnD?

Dungeon and Dragons?

Yeah, the most popular table top rpg. The alignment system in DnD serves as framework for a character's logic behind their actions and choices.

Why Lawful Evil Fits Light:

- Code of conduct: Light operates by a strict personal code—his vision of justice. He believes in punishing criminals and creating a utopia, even if it means killing.
- Respect for structure: He uses systems (like the police, laws, and even bureaucracy) to further his goals. He doesn’t reject order—he manipulates it.
- Manipulation and control: He’s willing to sacrifice innocent lives, deceive allies, and even kill loved ones to maintain power and control.
- God complex: His belief that he alone can judge right and wrong elevates him above any moral system, but he still clings to a structured worldview.

However, some argue that by the end of the series, Light shifts toward Chaotic Evil. His actions become more erratic, driven by ego and desperation rather than a consistent code. He kills not just criminals, but anyone who threatens his dominance—even if they’re innocent.

Source: Afania's best friend

Looks like AI betrayed Afania :D

My AI doesn't. ;)

Before I respond to your post I had a heated debate with AI what alignment Light belongs to. After both sides presented examples of his actions AI agreed that Light isn't lawful evil.

The reasons that you read in my response post are reasons agreed by my AI too ;)

I mean, tons of people made Alignment grids for Death Note character and they often put Light in lawful evil camp. But Panta's example already showed that many people don't fully understand DnD framework at it's core due to the wording of the alignment.

So of course AI will favor lawful evil camp as quick answer because lawful evil has higher weight.

But if you explore the meaning of those alignments with AI further you may get a different answer.

I can probably slightly agree that Light is evil even though my inner "comrade radar" didn't ring when I read his story, but it did ring when I read Cersei or Scar's story.

But I legitimately don't see him as lawful so whoever consider him lawful online doesn't understand alignment system as well. :D

The sin of pride