Random Thoughts.....What Are You Thinking?

For half of what you offered.

Ever seen demo videos of purely software generated 3D scenes?

Is that not art?

In range for a few more weeks so I'll take it. turning 40 feels surreal

For me turning 57 was surreal.

Long, long ago I calculated that I would be 56 when the year 2000 rolled around. I had anticipated it for decades. Then I hit 57. I realized I had no idea of what came next.

I still don't. Its OK now.

Printing can be art. Is running something through a copier art?

If so then yes. But it isn't. Therefore no.

A human can build from years of experiences to create unique art to share with the world and inspire millions

A LLM can build from years of experiences fed to it to create unique art to share with the world and inspire millions.

Do you deem yourself able to judge which of the two is allowed to exist or the truer "art"?

I've resumed by Lost binge after taking a year off. There is no way this should would have made it in 2025. You can't take 40 episodes before you start revealing some secrets of your mystery. We will see how far I get this time.

I wasn't even talking about LLMs.

Stuff like this:



A human wrote the software specifically to create those graphics, in real time. The human did not draw it. But the software is human made for that purpose.

Is that not art?

You may have a soul, but AI has something that most individual human being, including you and I don't fully have: data, numbers and statistics.

Those are things that could help humanity understand the world better. "Soul" doesn't do that.... except maybe interpret data when it's empathy related.

I love data, numbers and statistics. That's why I love AI.

He doesnt


It doesnt.


It cant


Soul is pretty much a concept than something you can use


You love distorting data, numbers and statistics to generate more discussions


You are just a bandwagoner

Who doesn't though? One common use of data, numbers and statistics in life is to present it in a way to create a favorable situations. I am not the only person who use them that way.

Only Light-aligned have problem with that. And you know, I am not Light-aligned.


From online dictionary:

Soul, noun: the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans,

Yup, you can use it.


Maybe, but if being a "bandwagoner" give me an advantage on this matter, then it sounds like a good idea. I don't make decisions based on whether it's bandwagon or "have a soul". Only the results matter.

On a side note, today I couldnt open Uoutube on my old iPad (4th generation(.

I wonder if it something unexpected of if YT dropped support and compatibility to my old Safari.

If its the latter, it would suck so much...

Here is a fun fact about AI.

In an imagined scenario, there is a red button, if you press it you will get 1 million 100% of time. And then there is a blue button, if you press it you will get 3 billion 50% of time.

Most human will choose to press the red button, due they emotionally wanting guaranteed reward that is "good enough" for them. But if you ask AI to pick a button, AI will tell you they'll press the blue button because that's mathematically THE better choice.

The fact that human gets emotionally affected when they make statistics related decisions but not AI means AI is in fact good for decision making assistance for getting rid of emotional hindrance.

This is what I really meant when I said AI has what humans don't have. They don't have a soul, but they have math and statistics!

You say that because you dont properly watched Matrix, but proving something based on a movie is weak.

Lets say about unsupervised ML model: its funny how it says a lot about humans and machines in its nature.

Your ML model will never learn unless you add a probability of it making a supposelly non-optimal decision. It purposelly has to try "unneficient" routes to maybe finding a better solution.

And that pretty much sums up why you have the wrong perception about AI and human worth.

Only a human can make a statistically wrong decision, and end up with the best solution.

Maybe machines can make the current life easier. But only humans can lead the civilization further.

Ya, but. How do you guys feel about feet?

If its about Alfanias, the it feels like stinking

That's why I said use AI to "assist" but not "lead". silly dog ;) AI is a tool, so is statistics and math.

Before AI we had excel and before that we had calculators for math things. Math and statistics has always been part of life when it comes to quality decision making, WAY before AI existed. AI is just enhanced version of that, nothing has been changed, except more efficient and easier on this aspect.

People who don't rely on math and statistics on decision making, they probably even wouldn't use a calculator to calculate expected value of a decision so they'll be the one who pressed the red button for 1 million instead of the blue button for 50% chance of 3 billion. It's their loss though.

But for those who do care about math and statistics for optimal results, AI is a better version of calculator and excel, because now we can calculate even more complicated things on expected return of a decision.

My math sucks. And I don't want emotion hindrance on statistical decision making. Without AI, I'd probably press the red button like most human being too. Now I finally get something to tell me "but blue button is better! Look, here is math!"

Which is nice. Now I finally have an easy to use tool to optimize statistical decisions to help me overcome my own human weakness.

Panta, are you still mad that AI doesn't understand you and call you a troll so you try to talk bad about it? This is a biased way to evaluate the value of a tool!

You know what? 50% chance of getting 3 billion is better than 100% chance of getting 1 million, this is elementary school level math and yet most human choose wrong on this question. And yet AI choose the mathematically correct one very easily.

I am probably one of these people who would choose wrong too.

This is why I don't trust human brain nearly as much as you. I've done enough mathematically incorrect decisions because of emotions and I'm tired of it.

If you can overcome human weakness and make good decisions in life, then good for you. At least I recognize my own human weakness and I would utilize any tool to overcome it, even if that means bandwagoner.

Really depends on person. I'd take 100% chance of 10 million over 50% chance of 30 billion.

Of course, that's assuming it can't be transferred prior to the result being shown. If you can arbitrage it, should be pretty easy to get a significant portion of the real value from the risky option instead of entertaining the risk yourself.

The AI cares about expected financial gain, the human cares about expected happiness gain. The human isn't wrong, someone in poverty getting a million guaranteed will do a lot to turn their life around and guarantee them security if they're smart with it. Taking the guaranteed option is often the correct choice in this scenario, if optimizing for happiness.

This is also one of the reason why statistically speaking, someone in poverty is way less likely to be financially successful than someone who is not poor. Because poor people are often forced to make mathematically suboptimal decisions due to their own circumstances.

Most of the time we don't just make one decision in life that shaped our entire life. Instead we make many smaller decisions that eventually lead to the final result. Hundred, if not thousands of this kind of decision.

If someone always choose the blue button for higher expected return, even if they failed once or twice, once they make enough favorable decisions in life they'll eventually accumulate huge gain in the end.

Those who favor smaller immediate gain and happiness, the gain won't multiply. It'll just be smaller gain that adds up, that's all.

If you let people press red and blue button for 100 times, people who choose blue button every time will probably win in the end. But people in poverty can't see that far away. They'll go for smaller immediate gain so their circumstances limited their own potential.

And getting to choose 100 times or 1000 time in life is closer to reality. We often make decisions in life and every decision has expected return. People who always make decisions based on higher expected return in life instead of short term happiness will eventually gain far more in the end.

This is the whole logic behind the blue button choice. Keep making the more optimal decisions, over and over again, then it'll eventually give you better reward in the long run, even if you failed a few times due to luck.

If you are kind of people who has difficulty picking the blue button because the desire for instant gratification is becoming a hindrance, IMO AI is useful for overcoming this kind of weakness.

I don't disagree with the gist of what you're saying, but it's still a poor example. The happiness gained from a shift from -200k net worth to +2.9998b isn't double the happiness gained from going -200k to 800k.

Obviously if you've already got financial security, the tradeoff is a bit different.

I know, I've made a lot of instant gratification choices in the past that I am ashamed of being a human now. You have no idea how many dumb decisions that I've made in the past because of my own human desire and emotions.

This is a discussion of AI's value. To me, an emotion-less being sitting there telling me "press the blue button for higher potential gain!!!!" When I am about to press the red button for instant gratification is very valuable.

If you don't have such weakness, then maybe you don't need AI. But I definitely need that, personally.

I mostly make instant gratification choices when pizza is involved. Don't think AI is gonna talk me out of it, though.