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 Quetzalcoatl.Xueye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-26 16:28:12
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Serj said:
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
Serj said:
Lakshmi.Cesil said:
Qdoba yup or Chipotle lol ^^

White washed mexican food ftw ;) Hehe its good !

Now I'm craving some of this food, but have no means to get it. Blast!

If I didn't have class I'd meat you in the city with Qdoba.

;P

Too bad I'm far away from NYC =| I bet I could plan out bus routes to get there, though. =D

It was a pun because we're talking about beef lulz.

And yeah, we do have to setup a date some time.

Edit: I just want to know why Taco Bell doesn't have to follow the same standards that the smaller industries have to.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 16:30:10
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Asura.Biddy said:
Is a fast food joint supposed to held up as the epitome of healthy eating O.o People typically eat that stuff because it's fast, cheap, and tastes relatively good. Anyone who thinks that they're getting a quality meal (nutrition-wise) is fooling themselves. TB does have their fresca line of food, so they do offer healthier alternatives, but that argument is off-topic as the original complaint was about false advertising.
I know what your saying in line with the cultural concept that these restaurants that serve quickly prepared food shouldn't have to be quality because they frankly haven't been doing so for a long time...but why the hell would Dominos "change" if it wasn't a problem in the first place.

My point being they should be striving to improve their products if they have complaints about their products.
That's just common sense.
The whole false advertising suit could be more or less an act that causes awareness(since they aren't doing it for profit) of this and can force food quality to improve.
Which it should.
But I guess TB is more absorbed in protecting their name through the law rather than protecting their name by providing better service.
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By Asura.Biddy 2011-01-26 17:10:30
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Asura.Biddy said:
Is a fast food joint supposed to held up as the epitome of healthy eating O.o People typically eat that stuff because it's fast, cheap, and tastes relatively good. Anyone who thinks that they're getting a quality meal (nutrition-wise) is fooling themselves. TB does have their fresca line of food, so they do offer healthier alternatives, but that argument is off-topic as the original complaint was about false advertising.
I know what your saying in line with the cultural concept that these restaurants that serve quickly prepared food shouldn't have to be quality because they frankly haven't been doing so for a long time...but why the hell would Dominos "change" if it wasn't a problem in the first place.

My point being they should be striving to improve their products if they have complaints about their products.
That's just common sense.
The whole false advertising suit could be more or less an act that causes awareness(since they aren't doing it for profit) of this and can force food quality to improve.
Which it should.
But I guess TB is more absorbed in protecting their name through the law rather than protecting their name by providing better service.

I could see this going round and round for awhile ;)

More power to Taco Bell if they take this time to launch a new campaign similar to Dominos. With that said, the Dominos campaign confuses the hell out of it because it seems all they did was change the flavor of their marinara sauce and added a garlic spread to their crust. The commercials with the people saying they didn't think they even used real tomatoes cracks me up.

But yeah, I think it's unfortunate for Taco Bell that they are the ones being pushed into the spotlight from this whole debate as it could apply to a TON of different restaurants and food products in general.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 17:12:01
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Asura.Biddy said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Asura.Biddy said:
Is a fast food joint supposed to held up as the epitome of healthy eating O.o People typically eat that stuff because it's fast, cheap, and tastes relatively good. Anyone who thinks that they're getting a quality meal (nutrition-wise) is fooling themselves. TB does have their fresca line of food, so they do offer healthier alternatives, but that argument is off-topic as the original complaint was about false advertising.
I know what your saying in line with the cultural concept that these restaurants that serve quickly prepared food shouldn't have to be quality because they frankly haven't been doing so for a long time...but why the hell would Dominos "change" if it wasn't a problem in the first place.

My point being they should be striving to improve their products if they have complaints about their products.
That's just common sense.
The whole false advertising suit could be more or less an act that causes awareness(since they aren't doing it for profit) of this and can force food quality to improve.
Which it should.
But I guess TB is more absorbed in protecting their name through the law rather than protecting their name by providing better service.

I could see this going round and round for awhile ;)

More power to Taco Bell if they take this time to launch a new campaign similar to Dominos. With that said, the Dominos campaign confuses the hell out of it because it seems all they did was change the flavor of their marinara sauce and added a garlic spread to their crust. The commercials with the people saying they didn't think they even used real tomatoes cracks me up.

But yeah, I think it's unfortunate for Taco Bell that they are the ones being pushed into the spotlight from this whole debate as it could apply to a TON of different restaurants and food products in general.
i hope it does lol.
not the first time we've laid down the hammer and improved the quality of food being provided by the food industry in US history :P
i think the domino's commercials are still pretty deceitful still yet though :P
probably just due to the grandiose methods and "real domino's customers" that have a strong opinion about dominos that need to be convinced.
i want to be a real customer and get some commercial time damnit.
 
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 17:18:45
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
I would be happy if they just closed down Taco Bell.
it'd be pretty metal if you just started burning them all down.
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By Asura.Biddy 2011-01-26 17:20:49
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I would miss my chicken quesadillas big time ._.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 17:23:29
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Asura.Biddy said:
I would miss my chicken quesadillas big time ._.
real ones taste better!

that and there are starting to be quite a few better alternative to it in regards to large scale mexican food restaurants lol.
 
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2011-01-26 17:40:51
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There is a certain degree of apathy that is inherent in big business, which stems from the reality that if profits are coming in steadily there isn't a compelling reason to change (i.e. by spending capital and resources) business operations or marketing, unless the current business strategy is to penetrate a new market or release a new product and create awareness about it.

In a defensive battle like this, Taco Bell is hoping to avoid spending capital trying to defend a company image (however unrealistic) of providing wholesome/quality food, in much the same way McDonalds was forced to do following the release of Morgan Spurlock's documentary "Supersize Me".

While very few people honestly believed McDonald's food was good for one's health, the company was obliged by its shareholders to respond to the negative publicity. But nowadays, going into any McDonalds one will see all of the cups and restaurant artwork displaying happy smiling active and athletically fit young people, surrounded by fruit and fresh vegetables (really!)

I am not being tremendously cynical, but McDonalds likely would never have launched that ad campaign on their own had "Supersize Me" never been released. In much the same way, Taco Bell is hoping to nip this in the bud by dismissing the claims directly rather than having to face rebranding all their foods or drastically alterning menu items, distribution chains, suppliers of new ingredients, etc.

As Vinvv mentioned, Domino's Pizza did a "make-over" to their menu offerings (along with an accompanying ad campaign) but this too was driven primarily by loss of market share and consumer interest in their products. :/ Quite honestly, if Taco Bell has their way, they will just try to dismiss the lawsuit as frivolous and not have to invest anything at all to retain business.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 17:41:26
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
I would be happy if they just closed down Taco Bell.
Sure.
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very well said, +1
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-26 20:26:06
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Biddy:

I'm not sure how I can repeat myself again to make it any clearer for you.

The USDA standard requires a product that is labeled "beef" or "seasoned beef" to contain a certain minimum amount of beef, with a certain maximum amount of fat content, and no preservatives/fillers/extenders/etc.

So, even though the Taco Bell meat mixture does contain some actual beef, the lawsuit argues that the meat mixture does not meet the USDA standards to be called "beef" or "seasoned beef".

Therefore, if the suit is successful, Taco Bell may be forced to either:
A. improve the quality of the meat mixture (higher beef content, less garbage, or some combination of the two) so that it meets the USDA standard to be called "beef", or
B. change their advertising in such a way that it no longer claims the current meat mixture is "seasoned beef".
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-26 20:27:29
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seasoned taco with beef!

The product being the taco,with beef added to it.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-26 20:27:47
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Biddy:

I'm not sure how I can repeat myself again to make it any clearer for you.

The USDA standard requires a product that is labeled "beef" or "seasoned beef" to contain a certain minimum amount of beef, with a certain maximum amount of fat content, and no preservatives/fillers/extenders/etc.

So, even though the Taco Bell meat mixture does contain some actual beef, the lawsuit argues that the meat mixture does not meet the USDA standards to be called "beef" or "seasoned beef".

Therefore, if the suit is successful, Taco Bell may be forced to either:
A. improve the quality of the meat mixture (higher beef content, less garbage, or some combination of the two) so that it meets the USDA standard to be called "beef", or
B. change their advertising in such a way that it no longer claims the current meat mixture is "seasoned beef".
or C, Taco Bell can say "Well, everyone else likes our shitty beef", and keep churning out low grade cow ***because one person complaining about their bowels moving from North to South cannot go up against a conglomerate like Taco Bell.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-26 20:30:10
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As I see it, the problem is not Taco Bell's meat.

The real problem here is "A big corporation is breaking the law and using the fact that the corporation has a lot of money to not deal with the repercussions."

This is "Big corporation verse the law."

And honestly, why should the law lose?
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-26 20:31:09
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
As I see it, the problem is not Taco Bell's meat.

The real problem here is "A big corporation is breaking the law and using the fact that the corporation has a lot of money to not deal with the repercussions."

This is "Big corporation verse the law."

And honestly, why should the law lose?
because the law in itself is crippled by corrupted humans
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-26 20:37:22
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So we should give up on the justice system entirely?

If we do not fight for the law, our rights won't be taken away; they'll continue to atrophy before us.

People fight for the wrong reasons, but this is a strangely serious matter.

There's a big corporation not adhering to the standards; why should it roam free of repercussion? Smaller chains have to follow the rules.

The problem isn't the meat; it's the point.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-26 20:38:48
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lol
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
So we should give up on the justice system entirely?

If we do not fight for the law, our rights won't be taken away; they'll continue to atrophy before us.

People fight for the wrong reasons, but this is a strangely serious matter.

There's a big corporation not adhering to the standards; why should it roam free of repercussion? Smaller chains have to follow the rules.

The problem isn't the meat; it's the point.
why fight for the law when we can fight for our own freedom of choice/speech/blahblahblah. If you put someone like Mother Teresa in office, Im sure our laws and the stupid people abiding to them would change. But until then we are instruments of war, chaos, destruction, and death. *** the law, I just want my *** taco before I unleash a barrage of bullets into the college kids behind the counter.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 20:44:22
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Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said:
I just want my *** taco before I unleash a barrage of bullets into the college kids behind the counter.
Good one liner.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-26 20:47:35
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Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said:
Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
So we should give up on the justice system entirely?

If we do not fight for the law, our rights won't be taken away; they'll continue to atrophy before us.

People fight for the wrong reasons, but this is a strangely serious matter.

There's a big corporation not adhering to the standards; why should it roam free of repercussion? Smaller chains have to follow the rules.

The problem isn't the meat; it's the point.
why fight for the law when we can fight for our own freedom of choice/speech/blahblahblah. If you put someone like Mother Teresa in office, Im sure our laws and the stupid people abiding to them would change. But until then we are instruments of war, chaos, destruction, and death. *** the law, I just want my *** taco before I unleash a barrage of bullets into the college kids behind the counter.

You can have your taco, I don't want Taco Bell to change that.

It is within their rights to call something beef only until a certain point. They are not following their end of the bargain, ergo they should be forced to change.

Yeah, we need a real leader.

But each time we let something like this just slide away, we're giving small businesses less incentive to even try. The giants can get away with things they never will, so why even try and compete?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 20:50:38
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
You can have your taco, I don't want Taco Bell to change that.

It is within their rights to call something beef only until a certain point. They are not following their end of the bargain, ergo they should be forced to change.

Yeah, we need a real leader.

But each time we let something like this just slide away, we're giving small businesses less incentive to even try. The giants can get away with things they never will, so why even try and compete?
wut?
i don't think having a single man lead anything has been the greatest of ideas.
i'm not sure if there's even a good number. U.S. *** it up regardless lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-26 20:52:43
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I meant more generally; I'm not saying someone to lead the country, I more mean someone who we can follow out of this mess.

Henry Clay wasn't president, but he sure as ***was a leader amongst men that could be trusted to be followed.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-26 20:54:01
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
I meant more generally; I'm not saying someone to lead the country, I more mean someone who we can follow out of this mess.

Henry Clay wasn't president, but he sure as ***was a leader amongst men that could be trusted to be followed.
you made that vague as ***lol.
are you talking about the taco bell dog?
he had standards last time i checked.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-26 20:54:24
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We should make sure all the jwalkers get ticketed as well guys. Sur law enforcement for every j-walker they drive past and don't give a ticket to. They're not following their guidelines.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-26 20:54:56
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Who honestly buys fast food expecting it to be wholesome?
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-01-26 20:55:33
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subway is healthy, look at Jared.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-26 20:56:11
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The guy who got thin by exercising and eating small portions of Subways?
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By Sylph.Oddin 2011-01-26 20:56:18
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So now fast food restaurants possibly cutting corners means we need to have a whole new form of government? This thread has taken a glorious turn.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-26 20:56:35
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
subway is healthy, look at Jared.
Jared exercised while eating other horseshit besides Subway. The only reason he was promoting Subway was because while he was in Bama, he got a *** from a country girl that rocked his fat world.
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