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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-01-25 14:57:53
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http://consideronline.org/2011/01/25/taco-bell%E2%80%A6-where%E2%80%99s-the-beef/
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Attorney Dee Miles said the meat mixture contained just 35 percent beef, with the remaining 65 percent containing water, wheat oats, soy lecithin, maltodextrin, anti-dusting agent and modified cornstarch.

that's the rest of the 65% of the Seasoned Beef
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-25 14:58:19
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Cerberus.Kalyna said:

As long as it don't kill anybody and it's tasty, who cares?


You people will be surprised where you food came from.


I'm pretty sure I care.
And I'm pretty sure lots of people care.

I agree that people would be surprised to learn where some "food" comes from ... and that's exactly why this lawsuit is so relevant and intriguing.

Once you learn what's being served to you, you (hopefully) will think twice before ingesting it.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 15:01:57
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water, wheat oats, soy lecithin, maltodrextrin, anti-dusting agent and modified corn starch is not beef.
false advertising is false advertising, the point of the matter isn't how good for you it is.
it's the fact that they are advertising a beef product when it's mostly not beef.
USDA says it's not beef.
So TB should stop saying it's beef or fix it.
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By richwood 2011-01-25 15:09:49
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You would have to be living under a rock to not realize that fast food does not serve actual beef products. And, that they are highly cut down with additives.

No one eats fast food cause it is good for you, or even that it taste good compared to home cooked food which my family eats 90% of the time.

But honestly fast food is great when you all leave the house @ 6:30am and are not returning home from soccer game till 9pm, so you get the kids some tacos on the way to the game.

False advertising is the true case, but it is not as if the FDA is unaware of these matters, it is that their pockets are lined thick with special interest money (as many things in government) so no one does anything about it.

This case will be a great one, because it is already spreading mass online media attention. and like GI JOE says "knowing is half the battle!"
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By richwood 2011-01-25 15:12:40
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Sorry for re-post, just wanted FDA link to be accessible since it is uncommon for people to scroll back.

richwood said:
So what is the legal stance?

Here is what the FDA has to say per definition of "Ground Beef:"



"ec. 319.15 Miscellaneous beef products.


(a) Chopped beef, ground beef. "Chopped Beef" or "Ground Beef"
shall consist of chopped fresh and/or frozen beef with or without
seasoning and without the addition of beef fat as such, shall not
contain more than 30 percent fat, and shall not contain added water,
phosphates, binders, or extenders. When beef cheek meat (trimmed beef
cheeks) is used in the preparation of chopped or ground beef, the amount
of such cheek meat shall be limited to 25 percent; and if in excess of
natural proportions, its presence shall be declared on the label, in the
ingredient statement required by Sec. 317.2 of this sub-chapter, if any,
and otherwise contiguous to the name of the product."

FDA BEEF GUIDELINES
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-01-25 15:13:49
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I really couldn't care where what I eat comes. As long as it taste good and has at least some nutritional value
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-01-25 15:15:36
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Cerberus.Kalyna said:
Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
If they didn't do this, someone could (for example) serve you rat intestines and call it "seasoned beef".
As long as it don't kill anybody and it's tasty, who cares?

I mean when you were younger and you ate Chicken McNuggets, you ate Kangaroo for christ sake.

You people will be surprised where you food came from.

Well, the FDA cares, for one. I mean, we gotta have standards. Personally, I don't care if I am eating rat intestines (...okay, that does sound pretty gross, but if they can make rat intestines that damn tasty, I'd probably eat them anyways) but if I am eating rat intestines, I'd like to know it. Like you say, I WAS surprised to learn that there's so little beef in their 'beef.' I knew it was greasy, artery-clogging, deliciously bad-for-you food-like stuff, but I feel a bit duped finding out that there's less than 35% cow in the mix. They should be more up front about that sort of thing, and I'm glad we have laws about that.

BBL getting some rat intestines a beefy crunch burrito.
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-01-25 15:25:50
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richwood said:
Sorry for re-post, just wanted FDA link to be accessible since it is uncommon for people to scroll back.
richwood said:
So what is the legal stance? Here is what the FDA has to say per definition of "Ground Beef:" "ec. 319.15 Miscellaneous beef products. (a) Chopped beef, ground beef. "Chopped Beef" or "Ground Beef" shall consist of chopped fresh and/or frozen beef with or without seasoning and without the addition of beef fat as such, shall not contain more than 30 percent fat, and shall not contain added water, phosphates, binders, or extenders. When beef cheek meat (trimmed beef cheeks) is used in the preparation of chopped or ground beef, the amount of such cheek meat shall be limited to 25 percent; and if in excess of natural proportions, its presence shall be declared on the label, in the ingredient statement required by Sec. 317.2 of this sub-chapter, if any, and otherwise contiguous to the name of the product." FDA BEEF GUIDELINES


So whats their stance on frog meat. Cuase I love me some frog legs. Oh....and escargot?
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2011-01-25 19:10:29
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Not surprisingly, Taco Bell (Yum Brands) is taking legal action against the plaintiff in the original lawsuit...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41258574/ns/business-consumer_news/

...I suppose because it didn't want to go about renaming the "Double Beef Burrito Supreme" to "Double Taco Meat Filling Burrito Supreme." :p I honestly think customers that patronise the restaurant won't go about changing what they order based on any of this at all, however.

But for the sake of the FDA, they should come clean and just say what is really inside that Meat Filling...

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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-25 19:20:13
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richwood said:
Let me see, you are paying $1 for food the slides down your throat with out even having to chew it and taste like everything bad we should not eat but our taste buds love? Hell yes it ain't meat...BRB,getting a couple 5-layer burritos for lunch!
5 layer burritos are awesome
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By Sylph.Oddin 2011-01-25 19:21:01
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I used to work for a Taco Bell. From reading both stories, I can safely say the plaintiffs are idiots... They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. First off, the beef used by Taco Bell comes pre-packaged and pre-cooked with the seasonings and sauce mixed in with the meat (the other various ingredients making up the seasoning and sauce). The packages are then steamed until they're ready to be served. The bulk of those packages are in fact other ingredients besides the meat but the meat is definitely beef. Someone really needs to pull one of these packages out and slap them upside the head with them.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-01-25 19:31:27
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Sylph.Tigerwoods said:
richwood said:
Let me see, you are paying $1 for food the slides down your throat with out even having to chew it and taste like everything bad we should not eat but our taste buds love? Hell yes it ain't meat...BRB,getting a couple 5-layer burritos for lunch!
5 layer burritos are awesome
QFT
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-25 19:31:36
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As usual, Oddin having difficulty reading.

The plaintiffs are not arguing that Taco Bell is using "mystery meat" (or rat intestines) instead of beef in their "taco meat mixture".

They are arguing that government standards require food labeled as "beef" to be free of "binders and extenders". Apparently, Taco Bell meat mixture contains these things (and only 35% beef).

Thus, the lawsuit makes the case that Taco Bell is fraudulently deceiving its customers by advertising their menu items as containing "seasoned beef".
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-25 19:36:16
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ITT: butthurt ppl who care what the thing on the menu is called. Who cares what they call it? If they change the name to something else, is it going to taste any diff?

Is it going to change the (un)nutritional values listed on their site or whereever else they list it?

Still going to be the same, good tasting, bad as *** for you ***they've been slopping on your tortilla for years and years.
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By Sylph.Oddin 2011-01-25 19:37:00
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Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
As usual, Oddin having difficulty reading.

The plaintiffs are not arguing that Taco Bell is using "mystery meat" (or rat intestines) instead of beef in their "taco meat mixture".

They are arguing that government standards require food labeled as "beef" to be free of "binders and extenders". Apparently, Taco Bell meat mixture contains these things (and only 35% beef).

Thus, the lawsuit makes the case that Taco Bell is fraudulently deceiving its customers by advertising their menu items as containing "seasoned beef".

Apparently you don't understand the law... The MEAT has to be more than 65% beef. That does not include the seasoning and sauce... The actual MEAT in the mixture IS 100% USDA beef. The idiot filing the lawsuit is assuming the whole package is the beef. It is not. When the nutritional facts are given, they're given for the entire mixture, not just the beef. It's just like looking at the nutritional facts on any thing else that has multiple parts to it. They're broken down to individual ingredients per part.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-01-25 19:39:05
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The lawsuit filed on behalf of Taco Bell customer and California resident Amanda Obney does not seek monetary damages, but asks the court to order Taco Bell to be honest in its advertising.

I lol'd
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-01-25 19:42:44
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Cerberus.Kalyna said:
Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
If they didn't do this, someone could (for example) serve you rat intestines and call it "seasoned beef".
As long as it don't kill anybody and it's tasty, who cares?

I mean when you were younger and you ate Chicken McNuggets, you ate Kangaroo for christ sake.

You people will be surprised where you food came from.

It's the premise that Taco Bell gets away with it when others do not. Justice means everyone is treated fairly, for their betterment or worse, no matter what standing they are in.
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2011-01-25 19:49:46
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Perhaps Taco Bell should relabel their packages so that people can understand a little better.

Sauce contains: salt, chili pepper, onion powder, tomato powder, oats, soy lectithin, sugar, soybean oil, garlic powder, yeast extract, citric acid and cocoa powder.

Meat contains: 65% USDA Beef and 35% Beef Butt.


Maybe that will make most people feel better. As for me, I know fast food is crap and I eat it at my own risk.

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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 19:55:22
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Sylph.Oddin said:
I used to work for a Taco Bell. From reading both stories, I can safely say the plaintiffs are idiots... They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. First off, the beef used by Taco Bell comes pre-packaged and pre-cooked with the seasonings and sauce mixed in with the meat (the other various ingredients making up the seasoning and sauce). The packages are then steamed until they're ready to be served. The bulk of those packages are in fact other ingredients besides the meat but the meat is definitely beef. Someone really needs to pull one of these packages out and slap them upside the head with them.
Do you work at the packaging plant preparing this ***?
If not how can you really accurately say ***?
You must have some microscope eyes to be able to differentiate between what is beef and what is not beef.
The last statement is sarcasm.
You do not prepare the ***yourself past warming it up so you don't really know ***past what you are told.
Someone really needs to pull out one of these packages and analyze it(or maybe the FDA is too stupid to do taht LOL this parentheseed bit is sarcasm too.)
golden as always oddin, golden as always.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-25 19:56:13
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Pro-tip: Fast food is mostly crap.

Don't order it expecting it to be grade A cuts of meat or food.

you order it because it tastes nice and it's fast.
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By Sylph.Oddin 2011-01-25 19:59:08
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Sylph.Oddin said:
I used to work for a Taco Bell. From reading both stories, I can safely say the plaintiffs are idiots... They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. First off, the beef used by Taco Bell comes pre-packaged and pre-cooked with the seasonings and sauce mixed in with the meat (the other various ingredients making up the seasoning and sauce). The packages are then steamed until they're ready to be served. The bulk of those packages are in fact other ingredients besides the meat but the meat is definitely beef. Someone really needs to pull one of these packages out and slap them upside the head with them.
Do you work at the packaging plant preparing this ***?
If not how can you really accurately say ***?

Seriously? Are you playing dense to troll or are you really that dense? If you can't tell the difference between beef and sauce/seasoning mixture, you really need not try to make an argument.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-25 19:59:30
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So, if they changed the name, how many people do you think will really stop eating there if they did before? lol
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 20:00:12
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Sylph.Oddin said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Sylph.Oddin said:
I used to work for a Taco Bell. From reading both stories, I can safely say the plaintiffs are idiots... They have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. First off, the beef used by Taco Bell comes pre-packaged and pre-cooked with the seasonings and sauce mixed in with the meat (the other various ingredients making up the seasoning and sauce). The packages are then steamed until they're ready to be served. The bulk of those packages are in fact other ingredients besides the meat but the meat is definitely beef. Someone really needs to pull one of these packages out and slap them upside the head with them.
Do you work at the packaging plant preparing this ***?
If not how can you really accurately say ***?

Seriously? Are you playing dense to troll or are you really that dense? If you can't tell the difference between beef and sauce/seasoning mixture, you really need not try to make an argument.
so you can tell the difference between meat substitute and meat when it's all mixed together.
jesus *** christ microscope eyes you are amazing.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 20:00:44
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Sylph.Kimble said:
So, if they changed the name, how many people do you think will really stop eating there if they did before? lol
No idea, it's kind of hard to quantify something like that before it happens last time i checked.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-25 20:01:02
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Vinvv just likes to argue over anything. I don't think he really cares.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-01-25 20:01:52
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Sylph.Kimble said:
So, if they changed the name, how many people do you think will really stop eating there if they did before? lol
No idea, it's kind of hard to quantify something like that before it happens last time i checked.

I really dont think most of the people that eat taco bell expect it to be grade a meat, lol.

Honestly, this suit can prob be filed against ANY fast food place.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 20:02:23
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Fairy.Spence said:
Vinvv just likes to argue over anything. I don't think he really cares.
spence just likes to make comments about how i do things thinking that he has some magical insight.
he really does care to an extent or he wouldn't have cared to post.
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By Fairy.Spence 2011-01-25 20:03:18
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Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Fairy.Spence said:
Vinvv just likes to argue over anything. I don't think he really cares.
spence just likes to make comments about how i do things thinking that he has some magical insight.
he really does care to an extent or he wouldn't have cared to post.

Observational insight.
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2011-01-25 20:04:42
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Sylph.Kimble said:
So, if they changed the name, how many people do you think will really stop eating there if they did before? lol

No, not at all. When you're hungry and are on your last 3 dollars till payday, your stomach is not going to give a crap.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-25 20:05:30
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Sylph.Kimble said:
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
Sylph.Kimble said:
So, if they changed the name, how many people do you think will really stop eating there if they did before? lol
No idea, it's kind of hard to quantify something like that before it happens last time i checked.

I really dont think most of the people that eat taco bell expect it to be grade a meat, lol.

Honestly, this suit can prob be filed against ANY fast food place.
i think it should go for all of em.
i think they should be scrutinizing a lot of things that they don't though.
and i think they should be scrutinizing some things less that they seem to always scrutinize.
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