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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:38:53
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
Going by their logic, hugging your child is abuse.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:40:10
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
Going by their logic, hugging your child is abuse.
nobody is saying that, and I sure as hell am not going to be saying it (because it isn't...)
nobody said that
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:40:31
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
both are abuse sir, punching him would just be more blatant. I still need a better metaphor than guns though.
The analogy requires comparing methods, not objects.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:41:00
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
both are abuse sir, punching him would just be more blatant. I still need a better metaphor than guns though.
The analogy requires comparing methods, not objects.
you get the general idea, idc more than that.
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By Leviathan.Mikeh 2011-01-07 11:41:11
Jet, are you a parent?
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:41:47
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-07 11:43:59
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
And just because you say something is fact, doesn't make it true.
Have you read any of the comments off the 10+ sites this video is on?
For every one comment calling it abuse there are 10-15 comments that applaud him. So think again.
The man is a criminal, that's a fact. Period. Doesn't matter that I say that. It matters that that's the law, numskull.
Also, I really could care less about comments on those internet sites you mentioned. As I'm all too often reminded of by commentators on this board, the internet isn't real life. People can "applaud" this criminal if they wish. There's been plenty of popular criminals throughout history. They are still criminals.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
nope, violence is a solution for idiots. I don't care how one raises their children, but I do care when their children are being abused. Even though you fail to see why it's wrong, it is still wrong.
Complete and total victory over the numskulls in this thread who are afraid of the mythological "nanny-state".
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Please take your own advice and do not breed. The world has plenty of pussies as it is, and we do not need anymore.
It's your type of thinking that perpetuates the nanny state ideology.
Listen, dickface. I have children. And they are respectful of their elders, and they are polite, and well-mannered.
And I don't beat them, and never will.
If you have to resort to using your fists or a belt, then you have a lack of ability to use your brain. If you can not think of a more constructive and less damaging means to to discipline your children than beatings, then you are a *** simpleton. And there's lots of simpletons in the world, so you're not alone, and you don't have to feign shame.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:45:15
Leviathan.Mikeh said: Jet, are you a parent? have I spawned a child? no. Have I taken care of children and seen children from abusive families (your kind) and the kind I say is still abuse, and been abused myself? yes. Do I help my sister with her child because her and his father are inept? yes.
Do I find that most people are able to handle the abuse they receive? yes otherwise society itself would collapse. Do I think we need to change the way we raise children as a whole in order to improve the future? You're damn straight I do.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-07 11:45:32
Bismarck.Angeleus said:
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-07 11:45:42
It's feels good to be on the other side of the fence across from Jet again :)
It would be a *** up jury of 12 people you would need to find in order to prosecute. The child's future is what is important here, I believe this mild belt whooping is going to help this kid get on the right track. Pretending to be banging is a serious problem and much more severe consequences could have fallen on the kid, he is lucky he is fortunate to have a family member that looks out for him and cares this much about him, many people have no one.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:45:43
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 11:46:32
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: The man is a criminal, that's a fact. Period.
So are you, what's your point? Unless you're going to claim to have never broken a law
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:47:18
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Leviathan.Chaosx said:
And just because you say something is fact, doesn't make it true.
Have you read any of the comments off the 10+ sites this video is on?
For every one comment calling it abuse there are 10-15 comments that applaud him. So think again.
The man is a criminal, that's a fact. Period. Doesn't matter that I say that. It matters that that's the law, numskull.
Also, I really could care less about comments on those internet sites you mentioned. As I'm all too often reminded of by commentators on this board, the internet isn't real life. People can "applaud" this criminal if they wish. There's been plenty of popular criminals throughout history. They are still criminals.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
nope, violence is a solution for idiots. I don't care how one raises their children, but I do care when their children are being abused. Even though you fail to see why it's wrong, it is still wrong.
Complete and total victory over the numskulls in this thread who are afraid of the mythological "nanny-state".
Leviathan.Chaosx said:
Please take your own advice and do not breed. The world has plenty of pussies as it is, and we do not need anymore.
It's your type of thinking that perpetuates the nanny state ideology.
Listen, dickface. I have children. And they are respectful of their elders, and they are polite, and well-mannered.
And I don't beat them, and never will.
If you have to resort to using your fists or a belt, then you have a lack of ability to use your brain. If you can not think of a more constructive and less damaging means to to discipline your children than beatings, then you are a *** simpleton. And there's lots of simpletons in the world, so you're not alone, and you don't have to feign shame.
You definitively were abuse.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:48:06
Phoenix.Darki said: Bismarck.Angeleus said:
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Where you been mujer? :P
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By Leviathan.Mikeh 2011-01-07 11:48:19
Inb4 my kids are better than yours
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-07 11:48:21
Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
The man is a criminal, that's a fact. Period. Doesn't matter that I say that. It matters that that's the law, numskull.
Elan has he stood trial in a court of law in front of his peers and been prosecuted or found guilty? Do you have insider information that we don't? If so please provide a source.
Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to you? He's not a criminal if he has not been convicted of a crime, doesn't matter what you or I say it matters that that's law, silly billy.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:48:42
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: The man is black, therefore he's a criminal, that's a fact. Period.
So are you, what's your point? Unless you're going to claim to have never broken a law I agree.
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By Leviathan.Raborn 2011-01-07 11:49:12
Opinions
Everybody has one.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-07 11:49:13
Bismarck.Angeleus said: Phoenix.Darki said: Bismarck.Angeleus said:
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Where you been mujer? :P life~
PM me the details to that beautiful thing.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:49:59
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
both are abuse sir, punching him would just be more blatant. I still need a better metaphor than guns though.
The analogy requires comparing methods, not objects.
you get the general idea, idc more than that. All that shows is that a spanking is a spanking no matter if it's a light pat or one given at full force.
It doesn't address giving the spanking.
I mean if you really want I could go on your "a gun is a gun" metaphor and point out that certain guns are illegal.
So by law a small, non automatic, gun is legal. Whereas a giant automatic gun is illegal.
Therefore a small spanking is legal (therefore not abuse), whereas a punch to the face is illegal (therefore abuse).
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By Leviathan.Mikeh 2011-01-07 11:50:07
Also i wasn't abused, but carry on if you think subtle insults mean you're intelligent.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:50:40
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: It's feels good to be on the other side of the fence across from Jet again :)
It would be a *** up jury of 12 people you would need to find in order to prosecute. The child's future is what is important here, I believe this mild belt whooping is going to help this kid get on the right track. Pretending to be banging is a serious problem and much more severe consequences could have fallen on the kid, he is lucky he is fortunate to have a family member that looks out for him and cares this much about him, many people have no one.
not all civil matters go before jury, and no it would take some people who didn't live in the *** stone ages. Pretending to be doing anything is not a problem, grow the *** up. While I agree that the passion is there (obviously) from his family, but they need to get their ***straight, obviously they weren't doing a very good job in the first place if the child was allowed online with free reign in the first place.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:51:27
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:51:45
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
both are abuse sir, punching him would just be more blatant. I still need a better metaphor than guns though.
The analogy requires comparing methods, not objects.
you get the general idea, idc more than that. All that shows is that a spanking is a spanking no matter if it's a light pat or one given at full force.
It doesn't address giving the spanking.
I mean if you really want I could go on your "a gun is a gun" metaphor and point out that certain guns are illegal.
So by law a small, non automatic, gun is legal. Whereas a giant automatic gun is illegal.
Therefore a small spanking is legal (therefore not abuse), whereas a punch to the face is illegal (therefore abuse).
a single tap on the *** to say you've done wrong isn't a spaking, spankings are abuse.
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By Sylph.Oddin 2011-01-07 11:53:09
Apparently some of you need to learn the difference between discipline and abuse.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:53:28
Leviathan.Mikeh said: Inb4 my kids are better than yours
My kids are ascend from Achilles. LOL
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-07 11:54:10
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: It's feels good to be on the other side of the fence across from Jet again :)
It would be a *** up jury of 12 people you would need to find in order to prosecute. The child's future is what is important here, I believe this mild belt whooping is going to help this kid get on the right track. Pretending to be banging is a serious problem and much more severe consequences could have fallen on the kid, he is lucky he is fortunate to have a family member that looks out for him and cares this much about him, many people have no one.
not all civil matters go before jury, and no it would take some people who didn't live in the *** stone ages. Pretending to be doing anything is not a problem, grow the *** up. While I agree that the passion is there (obviously) from his family, but they need to get their ***straight, obviously they weren't doing a very good job in the first place if the child was allowed online with free reign in the first place.
This child isn't 8 years old brah, he looks 16 or so. To say his guardians are at fault for what's already happened (we don't even know we haven't seen the videos and we also have no idea how much time has elapsed since said video/s have been posted) is absurd. The fact that they know this happened sounds like they know about what their kids are doing online than most parents, kudos to them.
If you are found guilty in a civil suit I don't think that would make you a "criminal" Jet. Pretty sure you would need to be found guilty in a "criminal court of law" but I'm no lawyer
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:54:17
Sylph.Oddin said: Apparently some of you need to learn the difference between discipline and abuse. out right forcefully hitting your children is abuse
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2011-01-07 11:54:54
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: a single tap on the *** to say you've done wrong isn't a spaking, spankings are abuse.
I spank my gf. but she loves it!
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