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Lakshmi.Anadosia
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By Lakshmi.Anadosia 2011-01-07 19:51:02
First off, it depends on the kind of kid you have. It all depends on their personality. (I have two boys btw) My 1st child got spanked on occasion and put in the corner, grounded with extra chores as he got older. My 2nd child is a very emotional one and I know if I spanked him, it would emotionally hurt him to the core, so he gets grounded. What is also vitally important is if your children respect you as a parent and if they don't, you need to figure out WHY before they get older. All I have to do to my kids is give them the option. Either you can do what I tell you or this is your consequence and give them "The Look" which scares the crap out of them,lol...and 98% of the time, the choose to do what I tell them to do. Both of my kids are well mannered, behaved and have strong morals. Know your kids before you decide what punishment is right for them because everyone is not the same.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-07 20:00:03
Ramuh.Scizor said:
Only going to say this once: your an idiot and should be shot, moron.
Really? I guess you're just one more example of why beating children causes long-term psychological damage, including insensitivity towards violence.
I'm guessing that since you're one of those people that has difficulty with "your" and "you're", that you probably have a below average IQ, too.
Asura.Theringer said: Spanked as a child when I did wrong, didn't do me any harm.
Yes, yes it did do you harm. Whether you're aware of the harm (yet) or not is different. But you were damaged.
Asura.Theringer said:
Can use statistics and case studies to show ANYTHING you want..
This I love. When people don't like and disagree with things I say, they request links and sources. And then when such links and sources are produced, from reputable researchers from research institutions, the next rebuttal is "well, well, um ... you can make statistics show anything you want!!".
Give me a f*cking break and make up your damn mind. Do you want the sources and research or do you not want them?
Asura.Theringer said:
Lower IQ's and Unprotected Deviant sex addicts or whatever.. are not 100% linked to being spanked and spanking MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT the only thing that should be factored in when looking at sexual deviants or low scoring IQs, there positively HAS to be other reasons.
Yes, that's absolutely true. This research does not draw a bold straight line from Spanking/Beatings >> Low IQ and Sexually Deviant. In other words, not EVERY spanked child ends up with a low IQ and sexually deviant behaviors. However, it IS MORE LIKELY that such a child will develop those traits.
The research DOES draw a POSITIVE CORRELATION between the child's environment and that child's tendencies. If a child is raised in an environment where spanking is used, that child is MORE LIKELY to have a lower IQ score. AND, the MORE FREQUENT the spankings, the LOWER the IQ score goes!
Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2011-01-07 20:03:07
/sigh you really are clueless and beyond hope.
For the sake of humanity dont breed, ever.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-07 20:12:55
Lakshmi.Anadosia said: First off, it depends on the kind of kid you have. It all depends on their personality. (I have two boys btw) My 1st child got spanked on occasion and put in the corner, grounded with extra chores as he got older. My 2nd child is a very emotional one and I know if I spanked him, it would emotionally hurt him to the core, so he gets grounded. What is also vitally important is if your children respect you as a parent and if they don't, you need to figure out WHY before they get older. All I have to do to my kids is give them the option. Either you can do what I tell you or this is your consequence and give them "The Look" which scares the crap out of them,lol...and 98% of the time, the choose to do what I tell them to do. Both of my kids are well mannered, behaved and have strong morals. Know your kids before you decide what punishment is right for them because everyone is not the same.
No, no, no.
While I respect your argument MUCH more than the guy saying that "it's irresponsible to not beat your kids", you're still mostly wrong.
While it's true that some children have "thicker skin" than others, you are STILL psychologically damaging your "tougher" child when you beat him. The fact alone that you seem to take some twisted sense of pride in how your kids are frightened by "your look" shows you're doing it wrong.
Children respect wisdom and love. Unfortunately, as you point out, children respect physical pain, too. However, if you have to use physical pain to earn respect, it's probably because you lack wisdom or can not or will not provide adequate love to the child to earn his/her respect that way.
The problem parents like yourself have is you don't realize that the negative psychological effects of your beatings are not always obvious or apparent, for years or even decades. It probably helps you to sleep at night thinking that you "needed" to beat your "tougher" child because that's his personality, but that's just a crutch, which serves to help you feel better, not the child.
If one beats his/her kids, s/he is causing them, and society, irreparable harm. It's fact, it's science, and it's common sense, too. If one is too insecure, too dumb, or too afraid to see this or admit it to oneself, then one is probably less than fit to be a parent. Sorry.
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Ramuh.Scizor
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By Ramuh.Scizor 2011-01-07 20:14:45
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Scizor said: /sigh you really are clueless and beyond hope.
For the sake of humanity dont breed, ever.
What a good response to say how you do not agree with them, but can not tell them they are wrong in your eyes. Not prepared to waste my time trying, other people have said it better than I could.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 20:26:10
Quote: Yes, yes it did do you harm. Whether you're aware of the harm (yet) or not is different. But you were damaged.
How do you know? guess what, you don't. For all you know that could have helped him rather than damaged. Maybe he was going to do something that would have gotten him sued, arrested, etc. but had it prevented by the spankings.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 20:45:30
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Scizor said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Scizor said: /sigh you really are clueless and beyond hope.
For the sake of humanity dont breed, ever.
What a good response to say how you do not agree with them, but can not tell them they are wrong in your eyes. Not prepared to waste my time trying, other people have said it better than I could.
Well Ellan may have been the first one to actually post links to studies in this thread which gives their argument backing beyond everyone's opinions and fail parenting. No actual studies, just his opinion.
Law > opinion atm.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 20:54:30
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Scizor said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ramuh.Scizor said: /sigh you really are clueless and beyond hope.
For the sake of humanity dont breed, ever.
What a good response to say how you do not agree with them, but can not tell them they are wrong in your eyes. Not prepared to waste my time trying, other people have said it better than I could.
Well Ellan may have been the first one to actually post links to studies in this thread which gives their argument backing beyond everyone's opinions and fail parenting. No actual studies, just his opinion.
Law > opinion atm.
Perhaps you missed the links with video to MSNBC?
DAMN LIBERAL MEDIA THEY DONT COUNT! Maybe I did, plz repost.
Last I saw everyone was asking for a source.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:00:49
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Page back. nospank.net isn't a source, lol.
Propaganda site is propaganda site.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:04:05
I could easily have said:
New Study Finds Spanking Is Good for Kids
Quote: Spanking is like milk: It does a body good — or at least a mind.
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-07 21:04:52
it would be disregarded because it's abuse
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:05:31
The fact that the site is called nospank.whatever is like a dead give away that's it's bias.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:06:49
Bahamut.Lolserj said:
it would be disregarded because it's abuse lol
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:11:51
Do you really think that no{whatever you're arguing against}.whatever is a credible source for any argument?
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-07 21:21:26
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Do you really think that no{whatever you're arguing against}.whatever is a credible source for any argument?
if no is a credible argument?
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:23:05
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Do you really think that no{whatever you're arguing against}.whatever is a credible source for any argument?
if no is a credible argument? NO!
Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-07 21:25:23
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Do you really think that no{whatever you're arguing against}.whatever is a credible source for any argument?
if no is a credible argument? NO!
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-07 21:28:42
Leviathan.Chaosx said: The fact that the site is called nospank.whatever is like a dead give away that's it's bias.
Ok, smart guy.
I linked the "nospank" website simply because it was a place where lots of research regarding the deleterious effects of corporal punishment is gathered together already.
Would you prefer a different link to the same research? Would that make it more credible for you? Ok, then, here:
Children who get spanked have lower IQs
It's a University of New Hampshire study.
The researcher has studied the effects of corporal punishment on children longer than you've probably been alive, and he's served for the National Council On Family Relations, the National Institutes of Health, and the National Science Foundation.
So, yeah.
Like I said in an earlier post:
I post an opinion, based on logic and knowledge. People disagree, so they request links and sources that validate my opinion. I provide credible, research-based links and sources. And ya'll proceed to retract your previous desire for sources, spewing junk like "you can make statistics say whatever you want" or "that source is obviously biased".
I know it's probably very hard for some of you to accept, because you don't like admitting you're wrong, and you don't like that someone loud and brash like myself has a superior intellect. But, that's the way it is. I am done here.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 21:31:51
I guess to understand my "NO!" you would have to read the bottom of my link.
Cerberus.Nutt
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2011-01-07 21:36:35
You all can post articles till the cows come home.
Bottom line is, you raise your kids how YOU see fit and others will raise theirs how THEY see fit. Your opinions do not matter in someone else's home.
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2011-01-07 21:37:13
Ok so spankin is good... hmmm hasn't seemed like it in the last several decades.
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By Hades.Stefanos 2011-01-07 21:39:01
Phoenix.Darki said: Ok so spankin is good... hmmm hasn't seemed like it in the last several decades.
Yes, kids these days that didn't get spanked are so much better.
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