Correct me if I'm wrong or misunderstood Jet, but do you sincerely believe children and adult brains/minds function on the same level when it comes to emotional development?
no, but when it comes to being abused and allowing it typically they are very similar. Most developed brains would remove the situation entirely (per their ability) unfortunately for children they don't have that choice even if they come to it.
I got a good laugh from that but the dude was a ***. Did you see him flinch when she was going to punch him? She told him to punch her but flinches when she goes to punch him.
There is a Huge differnce between Discipline and Abuse. If you have a Child under 5 and you are slapping/spanking/hitting on a bottom or hand once, or twice for emphasis, when they are doing something that is dangerous on some level that is discipline. You teach them that "NO means NO and never yes" and they eventually learn to stop behaviors after the first NO. If you have a child under 5 and you are constantly hitting them and screaming at them or somehow threatening violence then that is abuse.
Nothing pisses me off more than being in a store, seeing an obviously tired/hungry/uncomfortable(often smelly) toddler in the seat of the cart, and "mom" is slapping them or screaming/cussing at them for crying or being fussy. That is abuse. Physical and verbal.
NOW, the Teenager in that video kinda knew what was coming, you can tell by how he is behaving. HE was watching the hand with the belt, he kept taking a 1/2 step forward every time the uncle swung, and stayed ahead of the belt so his pants took most of the impact(the uncle did get at least one good hit cause the kid tried to stop the next one). This was more to show whoever it was on facebook that this kid had other "forces" who demanded he behave in a certain way.
Did the uncle leave bruises?? Maybe one welt but I doubt any real damage. Is this a daily thing or a thing of last resort? i think more of the latter. Was this a real "Beating" i doubt it.. the usual behaviors that kids show when they ave been truely beaten were not there.
Everyone acts like nothing happened after the fact. If you watch though, it looks like shes running her mouth. I wonder if she does that ***again to someone she doesn't know.
I laugh at all this "people thanking their parents for beating them" nonsense. Are you telling me there was no better way to get through to you than your parents unable to concede to their failures thus striking you? No really, that is how it works, when someone can not concede to their failures they resort to violence. Sorry you people were such idiots that you need to be whacked to understand something. How did learning math go then if that is the case? Did your parents put on JP game show host costumes and hit you in the forehead with a paper fan when you added incorrectly?
***. It's 2011 and time for resolutions and such, so I'll admit that I 100% agree with Spicyryan on this.
Nail on the head. When a human can not accept, comprehend, or appreciate his/her own failures, violence is a common outlet or result. It's a crutch, and a tool used by simpletons. Sadly, it can be an effective tool, at least in the short-term, since physical pain is noxious to most humans.
However, it breaks down to this: violence begets more violence, and two wrongs do not make a "right".
If you think corporal punishment is noble, proper, or quality parenting ... then you are an idiot, plain and simple.
If you "thank" your father for whipping you with a belt in your youth, then I truly feel sorry for you. You probably deserved much better.
/clap
So not only am I agreeing with Ellan, but I am agreeing with jet again? What the ***..
Um Nooo Parents on FB is a good thing.. Rinomaru.. Wait 10-15 years and if you have children.. then rethink if its a bad thing that parents have FB.. You think..honest to god.. that parents shouldn't be on it.. I'm glad that kid got a whuppin'.. The father should be applauded for his ethics, - the mouth and the type of behaviour.. but ya I def see Total Authoritarian here and I def give a thumbs up to Dad here... Child acting all gangsta and probably hurting the dad's idealistic idea of " normal living attitude" b.c the father does not believe in those type of morales....
DAD-1
Child- 0
DENIED!!!
Dad -0
Child -0
W.e Spic.. As said b4 and the rest of the thread thinks..
Parent - WIN!!
Child- LOSS
Parent still wins....
Call it w.e you think.. parent still won!
=/
I'm pretty sure he's saying Dad is 0 since that's not his Dad to being with.. It's his Uncle.
Yes, and "W.e" Neon we all know you are a brightly named *** :P
Oh Cmon Spic.. I know your the res ***, but c'mon, curb your harsh words, asshat!
Well " His Uncle" then...
w.e
Oh, I forgot I am talking to the guy who can not handle people saying mean things about them.
Have you tried *** yourself?
Hey there Twink, Do everyone a favor, and try focussing at the topic at hand, rather that enlightening the idea that everyone knows that your the Resident D bag, here at the AH....
Stay on topic and focus, if you can resist the urge to poke...
<shakes head>
...back on topic with Corpeal punishments and how spanking isn't detrimental to the youth these days..
I can't believe I read through 17 pages of bull. Flame core this topic. Its ridiculous when one side(against spanking) completely and utterly refuses to accept sources provided by one side(this case those for spanking) and does nothing but spout idealistic views. Yes spanking can be bad when taken to various degrees but so far all I've seen is Jet and Elan call everyone a caveman. This is a very gray area and to simply call someone an idiot for doing something that is appropriate to discipline their child is ignorance. You have no idea of the child's temperament and no idea of the history between the child and parent. I know it was said before but I'll say it for effect. Not every situation is the same are your experience. I can give personal experiences of good and bad kids because they were raised in such and such manner but that doesn't prove crap. Kids react to different upbringings in different ways. To say spanking is absolutely bad is just plain ignorant.
Tl;dr: Different kid same upbringing =/= same result.
Yes spanking can be bad when taken to various degrees but so far all I've seen is Jet and Elan call everyone a caveman. This is a very gray area and to simply call someone an idiot for doing something that is appropriate to discipline their child is ignorance. You have no idea of the child's temperament and no idea of the history between the child and parent. I know it was said before but I'll say it for effect. Not every situation is the same are your experience.
Tl;dr: Different kid same upbringing =/= same result.
I didn't call anyone a caveman. Good try though.
What I said, and am saying, is that it is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE TO RAISE A WELL-MANNERED, RESPECTFUL, OBEDIENT, WELL-ADJUSTED child WITHOUT PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE.
Does it require more patience? Yes. More conviction? Yes. More education? Yes. More restraint? Yes.
But it IS POSSIBLE, and I'm here to tell you that since it is possible, parents should not whack their kids, due to the society-wide impact, where whacked kids grow up to become adults that accept and become blind or insensitive towards violence in general.
The people in this thread who are saying that it's somehow "irresponsible" to NOT whack your kids are utterly morons, and likely victims of some level of child abuse themselves.
I don't need internet links to make this point.
But since you all seem to abandon logic so readily unless you have some links to click on, enjoy:
This is just the tip of the iceberg, douchebags.
If you want to raise children with below average intelligence scores (and therefore less likely to gain acceptance to college, etc.) and engage in unprotected and deviant sex (and therefore more likely to end up with an STD, or in jail, or both) ... then yes, GO AHEAD AND SPANK YOUR KIDS. And I hope you go to jail for it, too.
Yes spanking can be bad when taken to various degrees but so far all I've seen is Jet and Elan call everyone a caveman. This is a very gray area and to simply call someone an idiot for doing something that is appropriate to discipline their child is ignorance. You have no idea of the child's temperament and no idea of the history between the child and parent. I know it was said before but I'll say it for effect. Not every situation is the same are your experience.
Tl;dr: Different kid same upbringing =/= same result.
I didn't call anyone a caveman. Good try though.
What I said, and am saying, is that it is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE TO RAISE A WELL-MANNERED, RESPECTFUL, OBEDIENT, WELL-ADJUSTED child WITHOUT PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE.
Does it require more patience? Yes. More conviction? Yes. More education? Yes. More restraint? Yes.
But it IS POSSIBLE, and I'm here to tell you that since it is possible, parents should not whack their kids, due to the society-wide impact, where whacked kids grow up to become adults that accept and become blind or insensitive towards violence in general.
The people in this thread who are saying that it's somehow "irresponsible" to NOT whack your kids are utterly morons, and likely victims of some level of child abuse themselves.
I don't need internet links to make this point.
But since you all seem to abandon logic so readily unless you have some links to click on, enjoy:
This is just the tip of the iceberg, douchebags.
If you want to raise children with below average intelligence scores (and therefore less likely to gain acceptance to college, etc.) and engage in unprotected and deviant sex (and therefore more likely to end up with an STD, or in jail, or both) ... then yes, GO AHEAD AND SPANK YOUR KIDS. And I hope you go to jail for it, too.
Only going to say this once: your an idiot and should be shot, moron.
Spanked as a child when I did wrong, didn't do me any harm.
Was comfortably the most intelligent person in my class at high school.. Comfortably.
Can use statistics and case studies to show ANYTHING you want.. Lower IQ's and Unprotected Deviant sex addicts or whatever.. are not 100% linked to being spanked and spanking MOST CERTAINLY IS NOT the only thing that should be factored in when looking at sexual deviants or low scoring IQs, there positively HAS to be other reasons too, like I said.. Stats and case studies can show whatever you like with some imagination.
Yes spanking can be bad when taken to various degrees but so far all I've seen is Jet and Elan call everyone a caveman. This is a very gray area and to simply call someone an idiot for doing something that is appropriate to discipline their child is ignorance. You have no idea of the child's temperament and no idea of the history between the child and parent. I know it was said before but I'll say it for effect. Not every situation is the same are your experience.
Tl;dr: Different kid same upbringing =/= same result.
I didn't call anyone a caveman. Good try though.
What I said, and am saying, is that it is ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE TO RAISE A WELL-MANNERED, RESPECTFUL, OBEDIENT, WELL-ADJUSTED child WITHOUT PHYSICAL DISCIPLINE.
Does it require more patience? Yes. More conviction? Yes. More education? Yes. More restraint? Yes.
But it IS POSSIBLE, and I'm here to tell you that since it is possible, parents should not whack their kids, due to the society-wide impact, where whacked kids grow up to become adults that accept and become blind or insensitive towards violence in general.
The people in this thread who are saying that it's somehow "irresponsible" to NOT whack your kids are utterly morons, and likely victims of some level of child abuse themselves.
I don't need internet links to make this point.
But since you all seem to abandon logic so readily unless you have some links to click on, enjoy:
This is just the tip of the iceberg, douchebags.
If you want to raise children with below average intelligence scores (and therefore less likely to gain acceptance to college, etc.) and engage in unprotected and deviant sex (and therefore more likely to end up with an STD, or in jail, or both) ... then yes, GO AHEAD AND SPANK YOUR KIDS. And I hope you go to jail for it, too.
If it wasn't for your 'douchebag' comment I'd have clicked on your nospank links.
Oh well next time, until then U.S. law says otherwise.