Blade: Hi WS Set.
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Blade: Hi WS Set.
Why do you guys not focus a little more on the agility aspect of this weapon skill? I see too many people with not enough AGI...
There's more to increasing weaponskill damage, especially crit weaponskills, than just stacking WSC.
is that chakram for the ws necessary? would you not loose the tp when equiping it and unequiping after the ws or am i mistaken? since Qirmiz already does a good deed.
This is my ws set currently and I don't notice a static dif. between loki's and iga ningi +2. Out of all my options I see the best results with this. Any idea's on improvements that have been tested? Ragnarok.Corres said: » is that chakram for the ws necessary? would you not loose the tp when equiping it and unequiping after the ws or am i mistaken? since Qirmiz already does a good deed. Ragnarok.Baconchips said: » This is my ws set currently and I don't notice a static dif. between loki's and iga ningi +2. Out of all my options I see the best results with this. Any idea's on improvements that have been tested? The Nightfyre static breakdown was a page back I think. But! Centaurus/WoTG earring with attack and TP bonus over Light Earring. I use Iga Ningi over Loki's. Looks pretty solid though. Ragnarok.Baconchips said: » This is my ws set currently and I don't notice a static dif. between loki's and iga ningi +2. Out of all my options I see the best results with this. Any idea's on improvements that have been tested? Asura.Hotsoups said: » Ragnarok.Baconchips said: » This is my ws set currently and I don't notice a static dif. between loki's and iga ningi +2. Out of all my options I see the best results with this. Any idea's on improvements that have been tested? The Nightfyre static breakdown was a page back I think. But! Centaurus/WoTG earring with attack and TP bonus over Light Earring. I use Iga Ningi over Loki's. Looks pretty solid though. my WoTG earring is for ranger as I'm almost done with yoichi. i just got the light earring so i've been playing with that OUTSIDE. inside still centaurus. Ragnarok.Baconchips said: » Asura.Hotsoups said: » The Nightfyre static breakdown was a page back I think. But! Centaurus/WoTG earring with attack and TP bonus over Light Earring. I use Iga Ningi over Loki's. Looks pretty solid though. Just trying to say I don't think the +1 crit rate earring is good enough to beat Centaurus, even outside. This set can definetly use the additional attack. I personally agree with Nightfyre on more or less every slot of gear.
however...Is it really worth hauling around 5 or 6 pieces of gear for each gearslot (slight exaggeration, but i think the point is there) for such sticky situations as stat caps/accuracy/etc?(having to manually change the spellcast gear/macro swaps/etc for each situation). there is the understandable straightup Aby/VW/Other sets for ws's, which i feel are competent enough to get the job done. it seems fairly impractical to have 60~70 pieces of gear on you (this is including TP, marching TP, in/out abys ws/tp, nuking, eva, pdt, mdt, etc)...stacking on that echo drops, food, and tools to boot. Hypothetically, drops in VW can come in throngs (with capped lights 6 items over 4 runs for ~20 inventory slots, putting you over the 80 limit etc). As a person who likes to keep all their gear on them at all times, this seems rather unnecessary...as such: The question i'm trying to ask is: TL;DR Is there a general, middle-of-the-road build that those of us who are slightly too lazy to haul a ton a gear around for a ws set (in/out aby is fine)? edit: just realized i said 'etc' way too much. Only 60-70 pieces of gear?
Middle of the road is hard to define because it still depends on what you do and how you do it. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Only 60-70 pieces of gear? funny. i dont want 150 pieces of situational gear :x is that too much to ask for? ; ; Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Only 60-70 pieces of gear? Middle of the road is hard to define because it still depends on what you do and how you do it. and what i mean by middle-of-the-road, is a set that's 'generally good' for VW, using that as an example because the rest of the events are pretty well laid out and static...more straightforward, if you will. Kannagi/Arisui/---/Qirmiz
Ocelomeh (+1)/Rancor/Moonshade/Brutal Iga +2/Seiryu's/Epona's/Stormsoul Atheling/Anguinus/Byakko's (aug)/Koga +2 Replace body and legs with Athos once you have both. Use of Rancor Collar instead of Rancor Mantle is under the presumption that you're again prioritizing inventory given that that's the more effective TP configuration. If you don't ever TP in Rancor Collar, go for Rancor Mantle and Hope Torque instead. On a side note, I think you overrate the amount of effort involved in managing multiple similar sets. If you're using NQ macros then that's one thing, but you can set up toggles in Spellcast that manage all the different choices for you and you can just set up duplicate macro sets with minor changes if using .txt macros. It requires very little additional effort to set up and minimal maintenance aside from periodically updating gear. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Kannagi/Arisui/---/Qirmiz Ocelomeh (+1)/Rancor/Moonshade/Brutal Iga +2/Seiryu's/Epona's/Stormsoul Atheling/Anguinus/Byakko's (aug)/Koga +2 Replace body and legs with Athos once you have both. Use of Rancor Collar instead of Rancor Mantle is under the presumption that you're again prioritizing inventory given that that's the more effective TP configuration. If you don't ever TP in Rancor Collar, go for Rancor Mantle and Hope Torque instead. danke schun~~ working on athos currently. though who knows how long it'll take with vw drop rates ~.~ Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » On a semi-related note, I think you overrate the amount of effort involved in managing multiple similar sets. If you're using NQ macros then that's one thing, but you can set up toggles in Spellcast that manage all the different choices for you and you can just set up duplicate macro sets with minor changes if using .txt macros. It requires very little additional effort to set up and minimal maintenance aside from periodically updating gear. not particularly well versed in spellcast just yet, having only been working with it for a month or so. but i'll be sure to look into using more situational gear once i start attempting more complex commands =) Shiva.Keyera said: » Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Only 60-70 pieces of gear? Because Ninja is such a versatile job I don't see how carrying 60-70 pieces is even possible. There are hundreds of situations you can find yourself in, and there's nothing better than digging into your mog sack/satchel to grab the piece that's gonna put you on top of that situation. Each monster is different, why wouldn't you want to adjust gear to best combat it? Ninja is my baby, maybe I see things differently. Asura.Hotsoups said: » Shiva.Keyera said: » Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Only 60-70 pieces of gear? Because Ninja is such a versatile job I don't see how carrying 60-70 pieces is even possible. There are hundreds of situations you can find yourself in, and there's nothing better than digging into your mog sack/satchel to grab the piece that's gonna put you on top of that situation. Each monster is different, why wouldn't you want to adjust gear to best combat it? Ninja is my baby, maybe I see things differently. I love playing Ninja, it was only viewed as a subjob for a long time, then i really got into it. However, i have several jobs that i attend to in a similar fashion and having 150 pieces for each one is not particularly ideal, for me anyway. I do dedicate myself to SAM and NIN as my main jobs, but being a bi-casual player/full-time student, Its only a preference. If i cared about my performance as a NIN so much as to abandon the lax nature through which i play, i wouldnt find it fun. (what soldier ever carried around every single weapon for every single situation other than Master Chief?) Different strokes, but I wouldnt go assuming everyone adjusts their gear for all their jobs specifically for every mob they encounter. That's similar to trying to build a plane that can maintain the same cruise altitude from subsonic to hypersonic speeds.
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Airplanes are one thing, kicking the ***out of Monsters on FFXI is entirely different. Plus I'm a fan of the super plane anyway. xD
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Asura.Hotsoups said: » Airplanes are one thing, kicking the ***out of Monsters on FFXI is entirely different. Plus I'm a fan of the super plane anyway. xD maybe one day a superaircraft will exist. But until then, we'll just have to deal with the generic ;P I've been faithfully using my crit dmg +2 ws dmg +2 Anwig for a while now, but I'm starting to waver towards using Ocelomeh headdress. Can anyone give me a solid reason why Ocelomeh is better?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » Quetzalcoatl.Lucifel said: » Is there a static set that every NIN should be aiming for right now? Main: Kannagi, duh Offhand: STR Arisui is currently your best general-purpose option. Other weapons may have situational applications. Ammo: Qirmiz Tathlum all the way. Head: A perfectly augmented Shura Kabuto +1 has the greatest potential if ignoring dDEX, but that requires three very strong augments. Even then it's pretty close to an Ocelomeh Headpiece +1, which is vastly superior if the DEX does have a significant impact on critrate. Given its superior utility (idle, mixed eva), I've chosen to stick to Ocelomeh +1. Neck: Not as obvious as it might initially appear. Rancor Collar is generally best-in-slot, but Rancor Mantle doesn't stack with it. As such, you should use Hope Torque if you have access to Rancor Mantle. If critrate and pDIF are both high but pDIF is uncapped, Hope Torque may pull ahead of Rancor anyway. Ears: Moonshade Att+4/TP Bonus and Brutal Body: Athos's Tabard with high critrate, otherwise Iga Ningi +2. I'll cover set bonus in greater detail later. Hands: Augmented Seiryu's Kote if you're not trying to boost dDEX. If you are, you have the choice of Iga Tekko +2 or Athos's Gloves. If you're able to get a partial set bonus with the gloves then they're generally the better option. Rings: Epona's/Stormsoul is a pretty safe bet for most things. Back: Rancor Mantle, otherwise Atheling. Waist: Depends. Cuch or augmented Warwolf for dDEX, Anguinus for low critrate/pDIF/hitrate, Crudelis for high pDIF/critrate especially with favorable WSC rounding. Legs: Augmented Byakko's with critdmg and AGI. Preferably STP too so you can TP in them as appropriate. Feet: Koga +2 are your best full-damage option, but this is where considerations for the Athos set bonus really come into play. Given a set bonus of at least 2%, Athos body + feet will generally match/beat Iga Ningi +2 + Koga Kyahan +2. About the Athos set, would it be better to be using Body Hands and Feet for the set over Ningi +2, Seiryu's and Koga +2? That's the current build I think I'm going to aim for, for those slots. Athos legs might end up being better than Byakko's as well, if the set bonus is high enough. If the set bonus is only 2% as I've heard (only have gloves right now so can't test), hands are only good for Hi in the specific case I mentioned. I think I covered body and feet sufficiently in the quoted post. Legs are unlikely to be worthwhile given well-augmented Haidate unless the set bonus is >2%.
still i didnt got it,you guys talking about athos feet/body to be used for hi inside or outside? thought koga kyaahan +2 would help a bit whit fstr,and iga ningi anyway give lots of crit rate and ddex,tho for inside abyssea i guess body and feet are best.
Please specify anything im missing here if any ^^ You missed the second sentence in my post.
Hrm~ Only 2%? I thought I had somewhere that it was more, sorry for that then. So body hands and feet as a set generally are the best but only together. Can anyone who does have more than 2 pieces confirm the %+ of the crit hit?
I just got the Athos's Chapeau to go with my Boots the other day, and, I've been poking Lesser Colibris for the last few hours during the football game. My crit rate without any Athos's on was 30%. (Rancor Collar + 5 crit. hit merits) My crit. hit rate now after swapping in Athos's Chap. and Boots is 34.09%. (861/2529)
I'm about to go out now but I'll keep the parser running and do more when I get back. Wouldn't Nefarious Collar + Rancor Mantle beat Hope Torque + Rancor Mantle, or am I missing something?
I think Hope edged it out just because base critrate was already pretty high, might be more relevant in situations where dDEX and pDIF are low. I'll check again later.
Odin.Kryssa said: » I just got the Athos's Chapeau to go with my Boots the other day, and, I've been poking Lesser Colibris for the last few hours during the football game. My crit rate without any Athos's on was 30%. (Rancor Collar + 5 crit. hit merits) My crit. hit rate now after swapping in Athos's Chap. and Boots is 34.09%. (861/2529) I'm about to go out now but I'll keep the parser running and do more when I get back. |
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