NJ Legislation Bans TSA Scanners + More

who said I trusted the government?
I don't trust many people and I'm paranoid as ***, so your point is?
I just don't know how someone can distrust the government but then take something that they get off the internet/tv at face value as truth.
it's an inner conflict of logic for me, i don't trust the government or media. i don't know why people should.
but i don't trust myself even, so that may just be a personal problem.
I just think it's smarter to question the information you are provided with.
this ***just seems a lot like typical politics, and that's what bugs me.
white right liberal bad, same kind of ideas.

LOL, knew someone was gonna bring up that up. It being an exception, not a rule. Plus, it's repeal was largely due to the fact that crime was getting to out of control with it in place.

you are posting just for the sake of posting then. if anyone says they agree with tsa and all that you will post and argue against them, and if anyone is against tsa, you will post just to argue with them as well.

/ignoretroll on

In other words, if you are not colorblind, you're a troll!

Nice excuse.

Nope, I'm posting because this is an interesting topic and I'm a bit sick of the same ***being spewed from both sides, if you read my posts it's not like I'm not discussing the topic.
I like to play the devil's advocate, I don't fully agree with the arguments for either side so I'm trolling just because I point out the stupid ***on both sides of the fence.
Making one TSA thread a day is more akin to trolling than what I'm doing.
Well, I'm sorry for having an opinion and posting on YOUR forums.

Take it for what you will, but you're comparing something that happened ~67 years ago to todays politcal mindset. The government realized that the prohibition did more harm than good, and reversed it's position.

Who's to say it wouldn't happen again?
I just don't know why exactly your opinion trumps mine, so far you've only provided a "because I said so" approach.
Don't bother trying to prove it to me though, apparently I'm just a troll.

You know, not all of us are men who think they're bad *** and not self-consious about displaying their bodies. Children exist too. Because pulling down a strap and locking it in is just as bad as a violation of your privacy, right?

Personally, with the iron-fisted approach the gov has towards terrorism, I just can't fathom them simply reversing their position on this unless. It would be naive.

I just don't understand why you don't believe that laws can be changed after time.
It's not like we still have slaves, and women can vote as well :/
You could say that it's "not likely", but just outright saying they won't revert their laws is a bit silly since you don't know for sure either way :/
I do agree with you that it could get out of hand if something isn't done about it, lets see how this new jersey deal works in regards to the rest of the 50.
But what do we know.
this could all just be a distraction :D

Slavery and womens rights are pretty different from this. It's not like slaves and womens rights were ok, then not ok, then ok again. We as a country said that these are things that wanted and were granted.

I would love to be wrong in saying that they won't reverse themselves on the TSA policies... But then again, I would love even more, if this was never an issue.(read: rights not suspended/circumvented for a war that can't be won)

Every law is different, so you can say it's different from this because this is a specific situation.
Okay, I will go and pull my post from earlier, with a VERY SIMILAR situation.

^makes sense

i dont think i have seen you voice any personal opinion about anything. why? you afraid someone is gonna fo what you do to everyone elses opinion, and question them til no one has the energy to answer you anymore?

nvm, don't even bother answering that. Blocked you anyway, it makes a lot nicer forum when people actually post their own opinions and discuss them rather than just questioning everyone elses(no matter what they say)

Grow up, make an opinion of your own. Don't be a pussy standing with one foot on each side, while mocking both sides.

How do I not have an opinion?
Did you even read this thread?
this is a discussion, quit trolling.

I get annoyed by people who cannot express an opinion as well. He has though. He doesn't know where he stands on every aspect of every issue though. He brings a lot more to the discussion by pointing out faulty logic on either side than people in this thread who do little more than characterize every aspect of what the TSA is doing (legality, effectiveness, etc) as being black and white when it isn't.

Half the people who post in these threads on this site do little more than find an unoriginal way to bash (or stereotype) Americans in general, liberals, conservatives, anything they can do to destroy others' credibility with no substantive contribution of their own. Vin does contribute to the conversation, even if sometimes only by pointing out faulty logic.

I love that my reply to him saying that I have no opinion is directly after me posting some information about my opinion and what i've talked about in the thread in the first place.

I said on every aspect D: Not in general.

That's why they need to just give everyone who flies a plane a medical check up. :p
That works for two things, health-care and TSA problems.
I've posted my ideas for this since the first TSA thread lol.

Time to repeal an amendment apparently...

This IS a different situation than those you've stated, aside from prohibition. Since the founding of this country, it has ALWAYS been illegal for the government to search a person without probable cause. Now the government is stating that purchasing a plane ticket means you're a terrorist and are allowed to search you to prove your innocence, generally speaking.

Womens rights and slavery are different because, we as a nation believed that they deserved the same rights as the rest of society. These are examples of the government giving rights that weren't already granted by the constitution.

So did you look at my posts? or are you just gonna keep on lumbering on?

Make sure if you do care to fill out the petition from the OP

According to the constitution they had the rights to begin with. Shouldn't have had to wait until people believed they deserved the rights. I don't see the adjective "white" in "all men are created equal".

I would sign the petition if it's focus wasn't the screening machines.
I'm more outraged with the pat-downs.
Not the machines.
We already got scanned(metal detector) before this whole full body scan thing.
It's not as invasive as some people claim it to be, and the provided argument against that is that the TSA has been giving out images that have the quality reduced.
which is just poppycock if you ask me.

The petition says this:

I do not agree with this.
I feel that the bolded would be what I could agree with.
the italics one just makes me lol.
the word virtually is a great stretch word.

@Vinvv
Sorry, you posted that while I was typing my reply. I'll look it over when I get back from class.
@Luz
Agreed. Problem is that it took a decision by the supreme court to ensure those rights were given.

Unless I'm missing something, Bricker died as a proposal and the case cited is related to treaties (matters of international law, not a state law in conflict with existing, established federal law).

I'm probably more of an advocate for less government intrusion and expansion of civil liberties than anyone you'll ever meet. And consistently so mind you, not just one of these *** opportunists who spontaneously generate interest in civil liberties when there's a black man in the white house. These same, massively dishonest people sat around in a pool of their own apathy for eight years while these laws were being passed, while W. put two new Justices on the Supreme Court who have buried and cemented any chance of Federal power being overriden by a state law ever again. Where was the outrage then? How *** dare they jump up and down now that its way too late?

imo, the people who push these stories just want to make Obama look responsible for anything perceived as bad in the governement and are working overtime throwing all the ***they can at him, not caring if it sticks or not, and taking maximum advantage of it when it does. So people who blindly follow such Pied Piperism really *** piss me off.

That's all.

I thought I read in there they integrate some parts of Bricker but meh.
I posted it more as an addition to what you said for the general topic since it was at least a bit relevant, but I'm assuming that most people skipped over it.