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NJ Legislation Bans TSA Scanners + more
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-07 20:37:21
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: penetrating children educationally = ok.
penetrating children sexually = not ok.
What is hard to grasp?
The penetrating part where penetrating doesn't mean sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot or otherwise.
the school system part i was mentioning was when teachers get in trouble for sexing up their students.
Let me be blunt and step out of all this legal mumbojumbo.
Running your hands up a 12 year old's thigh.
Pressing your hand against a developing breast and then feeling underneath it. (12 years old let's say)
Bold part: And that's illegal because?
because you said so?
let's see the fundamental difference here.
Running your hands up a 12 year old's thigh during a pat-down.
Running your hads against a developling breat and then feeling underneath it because it makes you sexually aroused.
the hinge-word is sexual, but you pointed that out earlier already.
and about my poop shoot/hoo hoo post.
or otherwise was tagged on the end there for a reason dingus.What would thus reasoning be?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-07 20:41:14
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: penetrating children educationally = ok.
penetrating children sexually = not ok.
What is hard to grasp?
The penetrating part where penetrating doesn't mean sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot or otherwise.
the school system part i was mentioning was when teachers get in trouble for sexing up their students.
Let me be blunt and step out of all this legal mumbojumbo.
Running your hands up a 12 year old's thigh.
Pressing your hand against a developing breast and then feeling underneath it. (12 years old let's say)
Bold part: And that's illegal because?
because you said so?
let's see the fundamental difference here.
Running your hands up a 12 year old's thigh during a pat-down.
Running your hads against a developling breat and then feeling underneath it because it makes you sexually aroused.
the hinge-word is sexual, but you pointed that out earlier already.
and about my poop shoot/hoo hoo post.
or otherwise was tagged on the end there for a reason dingus.What would thus reasoning be?
the words "or otherwise" was tagged on at the end of my sentence for a reason.
what would thus be asking?
would thus be able to thus ask thus questions in thus better format thus?
and did you ignore the rest of my post?
-_-
you and your shenanigans.
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-12-07 20:42:12
Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing cavity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-07 20:44:37
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing c avity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort. exactly.
not that their other shenanigans shouldn't be questioned lol.
just don't think child penetration should be the spear point of an investigation.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-07 20:46:03
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Witty banter. So you were confused on the physical sticking part or the sticking part?
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2010-12-07 20:46:06
New.Jersey said: Dear TSA,
We see your bosses running around with their heads up their *** wondering what we're going to do with our new-found freedom.
Since we got rid of you asshats, we have employed a private company to handle our security. They charge a decent rate, they do their jobs well, and they are all friendly. Since hiring them, our prices throughout the airport have gone down, which is also a plus.
We have been aware of your attempts to get back in our good graces by offering bribes and such, but lets face it, lipstick on a pig won;t change the fact that at the end of the day, its still a pig.
Signed,
New Joisey
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-07 20:47:59
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Witty banter. So you were confused on the physical sticking part or the sticking part?
the part where you just typed a bunch of word and hit submit.
rather than replying to what i said.
whoo lets do more answer questions with more questions!
i'll stop the witty banter if you actually reply to things I say as a whole :/
actually no i won't
i like witty banter, at least i know you think i'm witty :D
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-07 20:49:07
Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing cavity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort. I would remove the word orifice as the law does not contain that word.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-07 20:50:45
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing cavity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort. I would remove the word orifice as the law does not contain that word. well it's a jersey law, what do you expect?
on that note, since this isn't really a discussion at this point, i'm going to watch some videos and enjoy my night :D, might be back at a later time, hope this conversation has progressed further.
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By Artemicion 2010-12-07 20:52:49
Now if only they can get rid of Jersey Shore.
By Luz 2010-12-07 20:55:17
Artemicion said: Now if only they can get rid of Jersey Shore.
I'm happy to say I've never seen that show. I only ever hear bad things so that won't change anytime soon!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-07 20:55:34
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee woooooooooooooooooooo
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By Ragnarok.Blindphleb 2010-12-07 20:56:05
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing cavity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort. I would remove the word orifice as the law does not contain that word. Yeah, it just says sexual penetration. Not just penetration. Since we're doing definitions:
Medical.Dictionary said: sexual penetration
Sexology Sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, ***, anal intercourse, or any other intrusion, however slight, of any part of a person's body or of any object into the genital or anal openings of the victim's, defendant's, or any other person's body; emission of semen is not required.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-07 20:58:08
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: If penetrate only meant "sticking an object in ones hoohoo or poop shoot" I'm sure the people at Websters would have fixed that by now.
Also people have missed the deeply part.
Context sure is important. Penetrate can have several meanings I'll give you that, but not in this context.
As those laws are written it explicitly means penetrating an orifice of the body and would fail to prevent the pat downs people are experiencing now.
If the TSA was doing cavity searches on children then we'd have something to talk about, but I haven't heard anything of that sort. I would remove the word orifice as the law does not contain that word. well it's a jersey law, what do you expect?
on that note, since this isn't really a discussion at this point, i'm going to watch some videos and enjoy my night :D, might be back at a later time, hope this conversation has progressed further. haters gonna hate . JPG
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By Cerberus.Pukushu 2010-12-07 23:55:43
Phoenix.Kojo said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: The TSA is about as beneficial as life insurance on a cancer patient lol, which is not possible to say the least. how beneficial is life insurance on a cancer patient? I'm sure your question was implying how is it not beneficial, but it's just a matter of perception between the TSA and the consumer. how beneficial is life insurance on a cancer patient? silly guy, sidestepping my questions. just imagine i'm only curious about the life insurance for cancer patients stuff, forget that this is even a TSA thread.
Many life insurance policies, IIRC, won't cover pre-existing illnesses. As for their stand on Cancer being any different, I don't know. But if you have cancer and go to get life insurance and die, they won't pay your family.
i dont quite understand this question.
1 kojo is right. an insurance company wont issue a new policy if a person has a preexisting condition that would make them a high risk for early death. cancer is certainly one of those that would not get issued.
2 kojo is also right that if the customer didnt disclose the preexisting cancer and then died the company would not pay the claim. there may be clauses like a statue of limitations where after having the policy for more than 2 years and then dieing of the health problem, they would pay the claim. also if the policy is small enough they might just pay it and not investigate.
3 life insurance on a cancer patient is absolutely beneficial to the beneficiary of the cancer patient.
4 there are many people with cancer that have life insurance. if a healthy person gets life insurance and then gets cancer then they would be insane to cancel it. the insurance company can not disqualify them from coverage if they become deathly sick after they initial medical screening is good and the policy is issued. if they could do that it would be like your car insurance company canceling on you after you report having an accident and not paying out.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-08 00:23:34
Cerberus.Pukushu said: Phoenix.Kojo said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: The TSA is about as beneficial as life insurance on a cancer patient lol, which is not possible to say the least. how beneficial is life insurance on a cancer patient? I'm sure your question was implying how is it not beneficial, but it's just a matter of perception between the TSA and the consumer. how beneficial is life insurance on a cancer patient? silly guy, sidestepping my questions. just imagine i'm only curious about the life insurance for cancer patients stuff, forget that this is even a TSA thread.
Many life insurance policies, IIRC, won't cover pre-existing illnesses. As for their stand on Cancer being any different, I don't know. But if you have cancer and go to get life insurance and die, they won't pay your family.
i dont quite understand this question.
1 kojo is right. an insurance company wont issue a new policy if a person has a preexisting condition that would make them a high risk for early death. cancer is certainly one of those that would not get issued.
2 kojo is also right that if the customer didnt disclose the preexisting cancer and then died the company would not pay the claim. there may be clauses like a statue of limitations where after having the policy for more than 2 years and then dieing of the health problem, they would pay the claim. also if the policy is small enough they might just pay it and not investigate.
3 life insurance on a cancer patient is absolutely beneficial to the beneficiary of the cancer patient.
4 there are many people with cancer that have life insurance. if a healthy person gets life insurance and then gets cancer then they would be insane to cancel it. the insurance company can not disqualify them from coverage if they become deathly sick after they initial medical screening is good and the policy is issued. if they could do that it would be like your car insurance company canceling on you after you report having an accident and not paying out. Ramuh.Vinvv said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: What I was trying to imply from that post Vinvv is that there is no benefit from life insurance in general.
Ya you can say life insurance will help you if you die in accident and the likes, but then that goes a bit farther and I wonder WTF you're doing with a family if you haven't already secured them mentally and financially?
And as Kojo said it isn't possible on cancer patients and it wouldn't be beneficial for them to do so from both sides of the matter either cuz it would just raise the prices for all consumers and prove to be a net-loss total. life insurance is useful if you murder your spouse for it and get away with it :/
also, my grandfather died of cancer, he had life insurance and it helped out with all the costs after the fact.... so I don't really know what you're talking about.
of course life insurance is silly "after" your sick, and they *** you over a lot if you don't know your ***.
but that doesn't make it not useful. you seem to be trying hard to prove kojo right.
my grandfather had life insurance BEFORE he had cancer.
ended up getting cancer and we received compensation for his funeral stuff.
you saw what this question was referred towards in the first place.
referring to my question about mab who was inferring that life insurance wasn't useful.
it might not be the most useful for EVERYONE but that's not what the question posed.
it's a pretty straight forward answer, I just wanted to know the reasoning behind that choice of words.
maybe my mock-wording of "beneficial" was misleading to you.
but it's not like every cancer patient doesn't have life insurance.
on the flip-side how screwed over would the people that had a plan set up prior to getting cancer if they happened to lose it :/
There's always pro's and con's and there are a lot more pro's with life insurance than there are with everything that is TSA, sound better?
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-12-08 04:14:32
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Let's remove any notion that the scanners show naked picture of you and it poses any radiation for a moment. With this in mind let's cross out these tidbits: Quote: * Makes certain body searches third degree crime of sexual assault under certain circumstances. View as PDF. * Prohibits use of body imaging scanners to screen passengers and airline crew members. View as PDF. * Specifies that certain images generated by body scans violate State statutes, prohibiting invasion of privacy, pornography, and endangerment of child welfare under certain circumstances. View as PDF. Do you still think these things shouldn't be done? What would the "certain circumstances" of the first bullet be?  It's from the PDF file, did that really fast.
IN A GALAXY FAR AWAY...................
STAR WARS.
Sorry just reminded me.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-10 11:10:43
Phoenix.Excelior said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Let's remove any notion that the scanners show naked picture of you and it poses any radiation for a moment. With this in mind let's cross out these tidbits: Quote: * Makes certain body searches third degree crime of sexual assault under certain circumstances. View as PDF. * Prohibits use of body imaging scanners to screen passengers and airline crew members. View as PDF. * Specifies that certain images generated by body scans violate State statutes, prohibiting invasion of privacy, pornography, and endangerment of child welfare under certain circumstances. View as PDF. Do you still think these things shouldn't be done? What would the "certain circumstances" of the first bullet be?  It's from the PDF file, did that really fast.
IN A GALAXY FAR AWAY...................
STAR WARS.
Sorry just reminded me. far far away, get it right.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 11:16:09
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-10 12:03:14
I have no real qualms with Obama but he should have picked better for his Homeland security chief...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 12:18:14
Ok so I just sent out a bunch of emails to politicians, including Doherty here asking what is being done and when the next relevant date on the progression of this will be. I will post any information I receive.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-10 12:20:16
nice, it's about time those republicans are good for something.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 12:22:24
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: nice, it's about time those republicans are good for something. True that.
My house of representatives official is republican too, lol. He's been in office since I can remember.
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By Luz 2010-12-10 12:32:57
Jet was apparently nowhere to be found when the Republicans were blocking Obama's nominees to head the TSA. Here's a little hint if you actually try to research anything before posting: Pistole was the third nominee.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 12:40:03
Really more rate downs for sending emails to politicians?
LOL I say!
I don't care if you rate down NJ, like anyone hasn't been doing this for years, but if you're such a tough guy write your congressmen an email then.
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By Luz 2010-12-10 12:41:51
They rated down every post on this page I think, didn't check the others. Someone is having fun with ratings though.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 12:44:13
Luz said: They rated down every post on this page I think, didn't check the others. Someone is having fun with ratings though. GDI Darki knock it off.
:P
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-12-10 12:59:40
So far just a little spam, lol. (fixed)
Definitely can trust them cause they're from Canada.
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