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Victory smite build
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-12 05:59:27
Absolutely not.
Spharai will not beat an EQUALLY GEARED/SKILLED player in damage nor tanking.
Counter a little something capped a hard cap. You can reach the hard cap in Rev fists, so in comparison the Spharai would have the same counter rate, not an increased one.
Spharai are only better than Rev Fists+2 outside of abyssea.
Spharai do have amazing DoT, yes, but I don't know the last time you checked the DD potential of Victory Smite. You'd have to make up the difference between your average fury and your average smite on every trip to 100 tp.
In case you were wondering, the hard cap is 80%(perfect counter excluded), which is then checked by accuracy (95%), so acc included, your max actual non perfect countered counter rate is going to be .95 x .8 = 76%, which is not hard to get w/ rev fists+2.
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By Fenrir.Skylong 2011-03-14 01:09:19
Pants have +2 str on them, going to get anwig with +4 str +15 ws acc +4 agi +2% ws dmg and maybe a beir belt if I can find one. Sometimes I use thew bomblet instead of tantra, not sure which i prefer to be honest.
Waiting on a buddy so we can finish CoP together for rajas, and about to finish upgrading body to +2, otherwise I'm pretty content.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-14 01:25:51
no Rajas?
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By Fenrir.Skylong 2011-03-14 10:46:15
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: no Rajas?
A good friend of mine and I did pretty much all of CoP together, so I'm going to wait for him to be free before I complete it.
After I get anwig I'm considering full time thew bomblet for ammo slot, what do you think?
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-14 10:56:22
Fenrir.Skylong said: After I get anwig I'm considering full time thew bomblet for ammo slot, what do you think?
Looks solid.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-14 11:03:15
Fenrir.Skylong said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: no Rajas?
A good friend of mine and I did pretty much all of CoP together, so I'm going to wait for him to be free before I complete it.
After I get anwig I'm considering full time thew bomblet for ammo slot, what do you think?
That's basically what I do, except for Dragua, where my acc isn't auto capped.
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-14 20:59:31
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: That's basically what I do, except for Dragua, where my acc isn't auto capped.
I go through quite a bit of crab sushi fighting this ***, I swear to god he steals food more then colibri.
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By Cerberus.Quintow 2011-03-15 03:00:53
I might've missed it somewhere in this thread and I apologize but, how about thunder belt over black belt and aias bonnet over anwig? Also, str + earring or say, aesir?
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-15 04:41:34
Cerberus.Quintow said: I might've missed it somewhere in this thread and I apologize but, how about thunder belt over black belt and aias bonnet over anwig? Also, str + earring or say, aesir?
BB > elemental belt
Anwig with STR+4 WACC+15 AGI+4 WSDMG+2% > bonnet
STR+ earring > aesir
This holds true if your attack isn't atrociously low, which it shouldn't be. Wouldn't worry to much about the earring slot though to be honest, its marginal.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-15 05:05:10
Ragnarok.Akuji said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: That's basically what I do, except for Dragua, where my acc isn't auto capped.
I go through quite a bit of crab sushi fighting this ***, I swear to god he steals food more then colibri. I rotate focus and aggressor and use kabobs for the most part
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By Ragnarok.Nemesio 2011-03-15 16:49:57
Ragnarok.Akuji said: Cerberus.Quintow said: I might've missed it somewhere in this thread and I apologize but, how about thunder belt over black belt and aias bonnet over anwig? Also, str + earring or say, aesir?
BB > elemental belt
Anwig with STR+4 WACC+15 AGI+4 WSDMG+2% > bonnet
STR+ earring > aesir
This holds true if your attack isn't atrociously low, which it shouldn't be. Wouldn't worry to much about the earring slot though to be honest, its marginal. Akuji, y u so beautiful?
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-03-18 00:02:37
This is what im using for smite atm. Only thing I can think of changing is my attack earring for a STR earring.
Oh and the 10+STR pants when I get find people who need cerb for their mythic trial when servers are back up.
By luckycharms1877 2011-03-18 00:53:13
Hmmmm does this work? Sadly i dont own the +weaponskill dmg head any ideas if i should change anything?
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By Ifrit.Morgish 2011-03-18 01:16:34
Change out the belt to a beir+1 swap out kemas to aesir ear pendant unless you find your accuracy totally diving. Work on an anwig salade if you have the means otherwise stick with what you have all in all the set works for your smaller selection of gear to draw from. This is assuming of course your inside of abyssea your needs will most likely change outside.
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By luckycharms1877 2011-03-18 01:29:23
so Light belt no good eh? whys that? i thought it was always active. ill have to look into getting Aesir earring tho.
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-18 13:33:30
luckycharms1877 said: So Light belt no good eh? whys that?
Ele belt loses here because Smite is a high FTP ws. The higher the FTP, the lower your gain.
Smite has 2.4 ftp for the first hit, and 1 ftp for the last 3, with .1 from belt
5.6 vs 5.5
5.6/5.5 = 1.82% increase
All credit goes to Tiger for this info, I am just repeating it here. His full post and more information on the STR vs. ele belt discussion can be found on page 2 of this thread.
By luckycharms1877 2011-03-18 15:54:21
Ragnarok.Akuji said: luckycharms1877 said: So Light belt no good eh? whys that?
Ele belt loses here because Smite is a high FTP ws. The higher the FTP, the lower your gain.
Smite has 2.4 ftp for the first hit, and 1 ftp for the last 3, with .1 from belt
5.6 vs 5.5
5.6/5.5 = 1.82% increase
All credit goes to Tiger for this info, I am just repeating it here. His full post and more information on the STR vs. ele belt discussion can be found on page 2 of this thread.
Ah i see that makes perfect sense thx.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-18 15:59:44
Also, it's worth mentioning that each hit from a DA or TA proc adds 1.0 ftp.
So w/ 18% TA rate (epona and apocalypse atma), you'll see a TA proc common enough and at that point it'd be
7.6/7.5 = 1.3% increase
Two TA procs
9.6/9.5 = 1.05% increase
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-18 19:04:14
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Also, it's worth mentioning that each hit from a DA or TA proc adds 1.0 ftp.
You know, I never thought of this but it makes perfect sense.
Disregarding the fact this is a smite build thread and not a smite thread itself, what are some of your higher smite numbers Tiger? I am rather curious.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-18 20:49:40
Without a brew, nothing ground breaking, but I'm always doing things w/ the minimum number of people, so I never have anything like minuet or chaos roll.
I did 8k once on a NM (don't remember which one, but wasn't one of the ones that take extra damage), other than that, nothing worth mentioning on any noteworthy mob.
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-19 00:03:06
Pretty much the same for me, can't remember ever hitting an 8k though. You have a 90 vere right?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-19 00:07:07
Nah, slow and steady progress for me. I'm fighting the traditional way because between myself and my mule, I can only hold 2 KIs at a time, which is a waste of a brew, when a brew can kill 5 at a time. I need like 25-30 more.
Would knock that out in an afternoon if I had 2-3 more ppl to hold KIs
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-03-19 00:14:46
Cant see why you cant easily do that. Just get some friends to come out for the +2 items. Hell, they can ever come out and hope for a yellow proc as you zerg.
They again, if you have 4-5 people come out totally, shouldnt even need to brew, fight is a pretty big joke.
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By Ragnarok.Akuji 2011-03-19 00:17:05
45/75 here, I pretty much brew them when I get a group. Cata hits it for about 22k, never tried VS while brewing.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-19 00:22:53
Sylph.Kimble said: Cant see why you cant easily do that. Just get some friends to come out for the +2 items. Hell, they can ever come out and hope for a yellow proc as you zerg.
They again, if you have 4-5 people come out totally, shouldnt even need to brew, fight is a pretty big joke. I probably could do it easily, I just don't like to bother people unless it's something I can't do on my own.
I'm in no hurry to finish anyways, aside from helping friends when they ask for it and 2-3 hours of ls events 4-5 times a week, I don't do anything but sit in port jeuno while I play other games, watch ***on youtube, or do homework.
I'm really not concerned about finishing anytime soon. My only expectation is to be finished before the next update, which was pushed back. I've just been joining /shout groups to get scales from them because I'm too lazy at this point to even log on my second char and do it myself. The majority of the scales I do have just come from joining shouts I see in Jeuno while i'm sitting there bored.
Like 10 scales come from ls stuff. 2-5 come from duo'ing it w/ my mule, the other 20+ come from shout groups
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-03-19 00:35:03
How did the duo go? Just asking timescale / difficulty in comparison to another mob...
I have not attempted yet as I have been on break.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-19 00:38:57
Duo isn't bad, just have to pay attention (well at least I did since dual boxing). MP was never an issue, I didn't time it, but I don't remember it taking too long. I honestly think the KI NM as long between the facts that I was on war/nin for them and had to proc !!
I'd save the fanatics powders for if counterstance got dispelled within a min or so after me using it.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-03-19 00:40:17
You still do events? I thought zerg pretty much died and most left for sharktopus or whatever.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-03-19 00:42:26
Sylph.Kimble said: You still do events? I thought zerg pretty much died and most left for sharktopus or whatever. Gred pretty much took over. Panda dipped out a while ago. Witemage/Braarg were leading after that. I think the three of them are on Rift now.
A few left for Sharktopus and we still do events that Gred leads, though in all honesty, I usually go to bed after the 3 hour mark from either tiredness (since my school schedule is diff and I have early classes) or just plain boredom. If I'm not tired after 3 hours, I'm bored, and log off anyways.
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-03-19 00:47:24
Swear every where I look now I saw Sharktopus shells, lol.
Meh, guess its not a big deal since you only really need 2-7 people to do events now a days.
Ok I am not a mnk main by any stretch of the definition but I do have the 30 advancement coins to finish the +1 weapon once I have finished the nm trials.
This is what I am planning on using as soon as I finish within the next week. My main question is, what gorget should I be using with this weaponskill and is it better than a neck with 5+ str. My other question is with VS being a 4 hit /ws do I really need to concern myself with ACC should I upgrade to hefoc mitts?
Any other constructive help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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