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Victory smite build
Bahamut.Tychefm
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2012-01-03 21:38:17
So thinking of it... +3% crit neck + 5% rancor mantle should be better than 3% DA?
Can DA proc on every hit? Can Crit pro on every hit?
Bahamut.Illyst
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By Bahamut.Illyst 2012-01-05 21:17:32
would a shura head +1 with augmented ws dmg 3% (no other worthwhile augments) be better than the standard anwig salade with str4 agi4 and ws dmg 2%?
Sylph.Krsone
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By Sylph.Krsone 2012-01-05 21:18:50
And the 15 wsacc*, and it comes down to weather you need this acc or not, if not shura wins.
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By Shiva.Thebasicbeat 2012-01-14 14:56:11
does Toci's fit in anywhere? Perhaps Impetus down?
By Fupafighters 2012-01-14 15:25:06
You are looking at my Abyssea/Berserk/Impetus up set.
When Impetus is up, there is times when rancor going to waste, even when using SS, Apoc, RR. (dex+merits= 25%+30%(RR)+15%(WS)+2~3% (moonshade)=72~73% before riding impetus to cap. I have had over 35-40 connecting hits which put me at crit cap w/o rancor.
But in fights (doing T2's obviously) where mobs arent dead by the time Impetus wear off, the rancor stays on WS aswell when Impetus/zerk up.
The Impetus down WS sets I use rancor aswell.
I have 4 ws sets for MNK in Abyssea.
Pretty much any crit ws builds on my jobs involves using rancor for WS (some tp phase too) You got the wrong idea about me trying to advocate not using rancor etc.
My profile reflects poorly on all my builds since I can't post them there anyways, but shows a general guideline on what I use. Just seems like a waste to make sets for abyssea lol
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-01-14 18:04:30
I wouldn't say it's a waste if you farm it alot on said job, which I did back @90 and @95 cap.
Even when having supernatural buffs, it's not an excuse for not performing to the best of your abilities.
But could be just me.
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By Asura.Chanceikin 2012-01-16 04:20:36
Question, cause I haven't seen anything about it. Melee Gloves +2, do they have any worth outside in TP or VS set? I understand how the formulas work, but I have been re-doing my Hi set to skew towards str/atk over stacking dex on top of agi after seeing some dex parses. (this doesn't mean I'm dumping agi, just swapping str/attack for dex where it makes sense.)
Is all of that attack and accuracy going to compete?
Say with bruisers and faith torque.. does the h2h skill on the gloves really do anything? If not, wouldn't the af2+2 hands be worthwhile? I understand that people favor the Heafoc generally, according to the posts on this topic.. however I already use melee gloves for my chakra set, have 9 jobs to gear and would prefer not to have a set of hands that are pretty much monk only (heafoc) WS swap.
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By Ragnarok.Stiel 2012-01-16 06:17:26
TP
VS
Kabuto dmg 3% attk 5 Schain dmg 2% haidate only str 1 stp4 still working on it.
Plz nightfyre any advice i can have,still need to work out variable vs builds i have toci ecc just need to kno when to use what.
About tp set i dont have ganesha mask,but i been very nice whit those items,maybe not the best melee dmg,but i want to keep this stp,tell me what you think and any correction that can be made ^^
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2012-01-16 07:28:49
What do you guys think about B.Haidate with crit damage + in place of shura with +STR?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-01-31 02:14:52
Potestas Bomblet vs Thew Bomblet
Who wins?
Pandemonium.Lyramion
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By Pandemonium.Lyramion 2012-01-31 06:12:59
VS Kabuto dmg 3% attk 5 Schain dmg 2% haidate only str 1 stp4 still working on it. Plz nightfyre any advice i can have,still need to work out variable vs builds i have toci ecc just need to kno when to use what. About tp set i dont have ganesha mask,but i been very nice whit those items,maybe not the best melee dmg,but i want to keep this stp,tell me what you think and any correction that can be made ^^
For WS this one is good: http://www.ffxiah.com/item/10607/kacura-leggings-1
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-14 17:23:29
Melee Gloves+2 or Heafoc Mitts?
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By Siren.Hellscream 2012-02-14 17:41:57
Question, cause I haven't seen anything about it. Melee Gloves +2, do they have any worth outside in TP or VS set? I understand how the formulas work, but I have been re-doing my Hi set to skew towards str/atk over stacking dex on top of agi after seeing some dex parses. (this doesn't mean I'm dumping agi, just swapping str/attack for dex where it makes sense.)
Is all of that attack and accuracy going to compete?
Say with bruisers and faith torque.. does the h2h skill on the gloves really do anything? If not, wouldn't the af2+2 hands be worthwhile? I understand that people favor the Heafoc generally, according to the posts on this topic.. however I already use melee gloves for my chakra set, have 9 jobs to gear and would prefer not to have a set of hands that are pretty much monk only (heafoc) WS swap.
The h2h skill on the gloves (combined with faith torque, bruiser's and capped h2h merits and assuming 99 with capped h2h skill) pushes the DMG up a tier. At level 99:
With tantra+2: [424 (capped skill) + 7 (faith torque) + 7 (AF3+2 gloves) + 3 (bruiser's earring) + 16 (lvl 8 h2h merits) x 0.11] + 3 = 53.27
Without tantra+2: [424 (capped skill) + 7 (faith torque) + 3 (bruiser's earring) + 16 (lvl 8 h2h merits) x 0.11] + 3 = 52.5
Edit: I'm not sure how relic+2 perform vs AF3+2, but I've seen a lot of MNKs swapping out AF3+2 for relic+2. This is definitely one for the math lovers lol.
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-17 14:29:25
Is it true that VS can't Double attack?
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-02-17 17:24:43
Is it true that VS can't Double attack?
What makes you think that?
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-17 17:38:42
My LS leader told me that VS and AF can't double attack. Which doesn't sound right, just want to double check.
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By Lakshmi.Eyrhika 2012-02-17 17:41:31
AF can't DA because the most "attacks" you can have in one round is 8, and AF is already 8. I am not sure why VS wouldn't be able to
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-17 17:50:00
AF can't DA because the most "attacks" you can have in one round is 8, and AF is already 8. I am not sure why VS wouldn't be able to
Where do you find this info?
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-02-17 17:52:02
Make sure you're not getting Ascetic's Fury and Asuran Fists (AF) mixed up.
Asuran can't double/triple/etc(as Eyrhika said), Ascetics and VS can.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2012-02-17 17:52:16
It's the law.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2012-02-17 18:12:42
Make sure you're not getting Ascetic's Fury and Asuran Fists (AF) mixed up.
Asuran can't double/triple/etc(as Eyrhika said), Ascetics and VS can.
This.
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-18 00:55:15
I ment Ascetic's Fury. I asked, because I was wondering if Prosilio is a good or bad belt for VS. Since the DA-5%
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-02-18 01:06:03
I'd suppose Windbuffet would be good unless you need acc, then use Ele belt.
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By Fenrir.Kut 2012-02-18 01:32:16
Quote: Quote: Quote: Originally Posted by Mojo
Has anybody done math regarding Prosilio Belt and Victory Smite vs. other waist options? My guttural response is Prosilio (5% DA is relatively small given the average fTP of that WS), but I haven't really done any kind of math. Originally Posted by Motenten
Prosilio should be a pretty significant win over the next best options (about 2% ahead of Beir+1/Black/etc). Assuming you're using Atheling/Epona, you still want to use Brutal, though, even though it's essentially just cancelled out. Originally Posted by Atoreis
I have Windbuffet +"fTP" at +4% over Prosilio
STR from prosillo at around +2.4%
So its 25 attack vs 1.6% increase?
Lets say you are at 1.8 cRatio with 900 attack (500def)
925 is 2.7% increase.
Overall Prosilio wins by 1%
Ofc its probably far from optimal on things like Ig alima or Rex when you are acc uncapped (not sure but probably anguinus will win on those).
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By Asura.Akamatzu 2012-02-18 10:45:29
^ Thank You
By Vengador 2012-02-20 06:47:39
After nerf a lot of people i see with nefarious collar and rancor mantle hmmm... After nerf what is the best ws equip now for victory???? Sorry for my terrible english thankyou
Fenrir.Ryukin
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By Fenrir.Ryukin 2012-02-20 08:51:55
Here's a question, I see a shitload of moonshade earring's that people won't say the aug on them, so i'm going to assume its tp bonus from the very few posts that do.
Can someone enlighten me to why the tp bonus is good? This is assuming +25 from spamming it at 100 is to 125, maybe ws'ing at 110 or 120 because you might not ws exactly at 100 etc.
My point is, I don't see how it effects it that much/if at all. This isn't a retard "hurr durr that ***shouldn't work" post, I really want to know if it's something that good to where I should probably get it.
Thanks in advance
Edit: and still no one has responded to people asking if byakko's crit hit +4% vs hachiryu question, which would be better?
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2012-02-20 09:29:11
Here's a question, I see a shitload of moonshade earring's that people won't say the aug on them, so i'm going to assume its tp bonus from the very few posts that do.
Can someone enlighten me to why the tp bonus is good? This is assuming +25 from spamming it at 100 is to 125, maybe ws'ing at 110 or 120 because you might not ws exactly at 100 etc.
My point is, I don't see how it effects it that much/if at all. This isn't a retard "hurr durr that ***shouldn't work" post, I really want to know if it's something that good to where I should probably get it.
Thanks in advance Victory smite's tp bonus is critical hit rate, so any tp after 100% starts adding in more critical hit rate to your ws. VS 100% base rate is 10% crit, at 200 its 25%, and 300 is 45%. So ws around 100%-ish tp gives your earring a 3.75% crit rate and ws around 200%-ish gives you 5% crit hit rate on your ws. Obviously you should be using another earring when you ws at 300%.
When you start looking at the other earrings, you really start to see why people pair their brutal earring with a moonshade TP bonus.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-02-20 09:36:31
Byakko's aren't crit hit+4, or crit hit+anything.
Since they are crit dmg, their usefulness depends on your critical hit rate in order to effectively be using critical hit damage+. Since this type of situation really only occurs in Abyssea, and since in Abyssea you should be using SS and RR, it's not even the best for there.
Realistically, you should be looking at anything Euxine Kecks +2 and on.
Prosilio is best for acc cap/near cap, uncap attack (almost never happens this way)
Usually go with BB or Anguinus if I remember it, Rancor/Justiciar's or Rancor/agasaya's. I'm still working on what works best for things like Rex, but I was parsing 85%acc last night and winning/barely losing parses. Need to go do some AF1 for focus ;/
Fenrir.Ryukin
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By Fenrir.Ryukin 2012-02-20 11:24:53
Thanks for answering the question, appreciate it
Ok I am not a mnk main by any stretch of the definition but I do have the 30 advancement coins to finish the +1 weapon once I have finished the nm trials.
This is what I am planning on using as soon as I finish within the next week. My main question is, what gorget should I be using with this weaponskill and is it better than a neck with 5+ str. My other question is with VS being a 4 hit /ws do I really need to concern myself with ACC should I upgrade to hefoc mitts?
Any other constructive help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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