Wukong said: »
Haidate: +6 STR
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edit: checked out his page with his tantra gloves+1... he's gotta be trolling.
Victory Smite Build
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Victory smite build
screenshot pls. edit: checked out his page with his tantra gloves+1... he's gotta be trolling.
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Just finished my 85 Verethragna last night, this is my current VS build (inside abyssea). Assuming I use SS/RR/Apoc, I'm looking at:
I'm looking for suggestions as far as upgrading is concerned. I'm thinking aesir instead of ethereal, pyrosoul instead of rajas (maybe?), ire+1 instead of justice, and then there's upgrading both shura to +1, and THEN augmenting those with WS dmg+ and attack+ on the helm and STR+ on the haidate. (I have full furtherance abyssites, 8 h2h merits and 8 STR merits if that matters) Any input is welcome. In addition to everything you listed, assuming you use RR/SS/Apoc and not RR/GH/Apoc, Rancor Collar would be good as well. Hachiryu Haidate too. Aias Bonnet works until you can get a good augment on HQ Kabuto, I'd think. (No point in NQ, HQs aren't too expensive, get another abjuration and then shoot for augments in my opinion.)
I've been using RR/GH/Apoc over RR/SS/Apoc because i really notice the loss in crit rate from not using gh, even on smite (maybe be less noticable with rancor collar... but it's only 5%, so idunno ;3). Just eyeballing... but would ss outperform gh? (for damage... i could care less about the hp from ss... 4k's really enough for just about anything)
edit: if you don't really have the money to waste for pyrosoul then rajas is perfectly fine. especially since during the next update there'll more than likely be 8 stat rings... and that's pretty soon. A merman's earring would do slightly more then ethereal and is relatively cheap (i think... though you prolly have them from an mdt set from some other job, if not... again, don't really need to bother.) and replace justice with either ire +1 or rancor depending on impetus up/down Hellscream08 said: » Just finished my 85 Verethragna last night, this is my current VS build (inside abyssea). Assuming I use SS/RR/Apoc, I'm looking at: I'm looking for suggestions as far as upgrading is concerned. I'm thinking aesir instead of ethereal, pyrosoul instead of rajas (maybe?), ire+1 instead of justice, and then there's upgrading both shura to +1, and THEN augmenting those with WS dmg+ and attack+ on the helm and STR+ on the haidate. (I have full furtherance abyssites, 8 h2h merits and 8 STR merits if that matters) Any input is welcome. AF+2 head/Aias/Add-on hat will be better than unaugmented shura kabuto Beir Belt (+1) will beat Black Belt Ire Torque +1/Thunder(or whatever) Gorget depending on your ACC (Edit: forgot about Rancor, go with Rancor) Pyrosoul for inside will outperform Rajas. Aesir, as you've mentioned Hachiryu > Usukane ... Augmented Byakko's (4% Crit Damage) would beat unaugmented Shura I believe, I don't know how it fairs against Hachi/Usu however Bahamut.Gimpness said: » I've been using RR/GH/Apoc over RR/SS/Apoc because i really notice the loss in crit rate from not using gh, even on smite (maybe be less noticable with rancor collar... but it's only 5%, so idunno ;3). Just eyeballing... but would ss outperform gh? (for damage... i could care less about the hp from ss... 4k's really enough for just about anything) SS/RR/AoA would beat GH/RR/AoA in terms of damage, yes. I also noticed the drop in crit rate without impetus :< But it's still the better combo and just change gear for impetus up/down, etc. Hellscream08 said: » and then there's upgrading both shura to +1, and THEN augmenting those with WS dmg+ and attack+ on the helm and STR+ on the haidate. Kabuto+1 is good, hardly cheap - a good one is probably gonna cost 4m or so in the end (the cursed kabuto-1 on Ragnarok is somewhat rare and still runs ~2m). I got lucky with +4 STR Haidate but spent maybe 4m total... in all honesty I usually suggest people to avoid auging them in hopes of +STR... you're better off buying hachiryu and re-selling later on. Best case scenario Shura is a side-grade to hachiryu. Definitely get Rancor Collar. Get a Pyrosoul. TP Bonus/4 atk earring from WoTG is generally the best for all empyrean DD jobs. Next best would be Vulcan's Pearl, then Aesir (unless Crit Rate+1 Light Earring somehow pulls ahead). Black Belt is fine for now... there's a new 8STR/3%DA belt coming out on monday - how hard it is to get is still up in the air but can't be THAT bad. Fenrir.Uzugami said: » Bahamut.Gimpness said: » I've been using RR/GH/Apoc over RR/SS/Apoc because i really notice the loss in crit rate from not using gh, even on smite (maybe be less noticable with rancor collar... but it's only 5%, so idunno ;3). Just eyeballing... but would ss outperform gh? (for damage... i could care less about the hp from ss... 4k's really enough for just about anything) SS/RR/AoA would beat GH/RR/AoA in terms of damage, yes. I also noticed the drop in crit rate without impetus :< But it's still the better combo and just change gear for impetus up/down, etc. I give up on this game. Everyone claims GH vs SS crap and I see no numbers to support all the contradictions. Fenrir.Kut said: » I would use GH over SS every time. GH's Crit Rate is already enough to put it > SS, add counters to that I'm sure it will win. (And Subtle Blow yay?) AF+2 head/Aias/Add-on hat will be better than unaugmented shura kabuto Beir Belt (+1) will beat Black Belt Ire Torque +1/Thunder(or whatever) Gorget depending on your ACC Pyrosoul for inside will outperform Rajas. Aesir, as you've mentioned Hachiryu > Usukane ... Augmented Byakko's (4% Crit Damage) would beat unaugmented Shura I believe, I don't know how it fairs against Hachi/Usu however a. SS/RR/Apoc (30% 100tp VS + 20% dDex + 30% RR) a balance of crit dmg and crit rate seems "for me" to be best for overall damage. +30% HP is just the icing - much more useful than lolcounter b. Shura+1 hands down beats aias bonnet... please... 2 STR vs 3% WS DMG + another aug? edit: didn't see you say "unaugmented" can ignore this c. I mentioned the new belt coming out on monday in my post immediately before this. save your gil. d. Rancor Collar for sure (not using GH after all right?) Fenrir.Kut said: » Fenrir.Uzugami said: » Bahamut.Gimpness said: » I've been using RR/GH/Apoc over RR/SS/Apoc because i really notice the loss in crit rate from not using gh, even on smite (maybe be less noticable with rancor collar... but it's only 5%, so idunno ;3). Just eyeballing... but would ss outperform gh? (for damage... i could care less about the hp from ss... 4k's really enough for just about anything) SS/RR/AoA would beat GH/RR/AoA in terms of damage, yes. I also noticed the drop in crit rate without impetus :< But it's still the better combo and just change gear for impetus up/down, etc. I give up on this game. Everyone claims GH vs SS crap and I see no numbers to support all the contradictions. Entourage said: » Fenrir.Kut said: » I would use GH over SS every time. GH's Crit Rate is already enough to put it > SS, add counters to that I'm sure it will win. (And Subtle Blow yay?) AF+2 head/Aias/Add-on hat will be better than unaugmented shura kabuto Beir Belt (+1) will beat Black Belt Ire Torque +1/Thunder(or whatever) Gorget depending on your ACC Pyrosoul for inside will outperform Rajas. Aesir, as you've mentioned Hachiryu > Usukane ... Augmented Byakko's (4% Crit Damage) would beat unaugmented Shura I believe, I don't know how it fairs against Hachi/Usu however a. SS/RR/Apoc (30% 100tp VS + 20% dDex + 30% RR) a balance of crit dmg and crit rate seems "for me" to be best for overall damage. +30% HP is just the icing - much more useful than lolcounter b. Shura+1 hands down beats aias bonnet... please... 2 STR vs 3% WS DMG + another aug? c. I mentioned the new belt coming out on monday in my post immediately before this. save your gil. d. Rancor Collar for sure (not using GH after all right?) he said unaugmented nq shura... and i would never ever ever ever ever use gorget/belt for smite, if you need the acc use rancor (should prolly use it anyway) or anguinus belt (odds are... if you need the acc, you prolly need the att) I'm also pretty sure that 4% crit damage haidate beat unaugmented (maybe even augmented in some cases) shura(+1) most of the time. >_>; bleh, looks like i'll parse atmas later, i really noticed a drop in average smite damage last time i did it, but was just eyeballing... though it did spike higher, so idk :x but gotta go to bed now D: and i guess i didn't really switch up sets for more crit rate and such, will do that this time :x Even if using GH, I think Rancor wins when Impetus is down. Definitely if using SS instead.
Where are you finding Smite's native 30% crit rate? (and where can i find the native crit rates of other WS, so I can weigh ire+1 vs rancor)
it was tested for Ukkos Fury... can assume the same for all empy crit ws's
I'd go look in the WAR threads for it but i'm playing modern warfare2 :O lol While we're on this topic, how exactly are crit rates for WS calculated? Assuming your normal melee crit rate is 25% (dDEX capped and 5/5 merits), how would that be calculated with a crit WS? Would it just be 25% crit chance added on to whatever chance the WS has to crit?
ie Evisceration has x crit chance at 100 TP. y is your melee critical hit chance. x + y = Evisceration's actual crit chance? Please enlighten me, this is one of the subjects I'm not very familiar with (crit WS, that is.) lol fair enough..fair enough, so despite the staggering 80% crit you listed earlier (also +5 from merits, since you only listed dDex), rancor still beats straight 7 STR from ire+1? I'm mad confused lol
To be honest, I highly doubt he's calculating it right, because if that was the case, then GH atma would serve almost no purpose for those WS's crit rate.
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said: » ie Evisceration has x crit chance at 100 TP. y is your melee critical hit chance. x + y = Evisceration's actual crit chance honestly that does sound about right.. i mean merits dont say "melee strikes only crit rate" it just says crit rate ding ding we have a winner. GH was used pre-crit dmg cap removal because impetus would get us damn near close by itself. Additionally nobody really knew crit rate from empy WSs then. Remember atmas are important for WS yes, but also for TP where you DONT have that 30% crit rate from the WS. you dont use GH for Victory Smite, you use it for TP phase.
Right. This isn't for MNK only, nor was I claiming GH is used for that. My question still stands, how are crit WS's crit chance calculated exactly?
0% crit rate gear, 100% tp, on a mob where you know you'll have the capped ddex 20% crit rate, do a lot of WSs and count how many crit (you'll only be testing the first hit as you'll be 1-shotting but it still gives you the rate). So if you see 55% crit rate on your WS then you know the WS is 30%.
Note the above is only what I would assume is done, I haven't done it personally so take what I say with a grain of salt. Also I don't intend to say this is fact, just what I've read. I'll try to find the actual testing now http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/19774/ukkos-fury-setup/17/#1489524
Odin.Sawtelle said: » I tested it to be about 30% at 100% tp. I have not tested 125% ukko's, so I dont know how much crit rate the earring adds. Fenrir.Nightfyre said: » I agree that it's likely either 30/40/50 or 30/35/40. If it's the former then you're looking at 2-3% critrate and I'd use that in a heartbeat unless you're in Abyssea with Blood Rage up (since you should have a 100% critrate under these circumstances assuming a 30% critrate bonus). With the latter it's still strong, especially since you use SS inside Abyssea, but I'm not sure if I'd default to it outside Abyssea. this was a discussion in regards to the WoTG TP Bonus earring. I don't mean to delve even more off-topic, but if that truely is how it's calculated, then what most claim to be one the best (attack capped) Ukko's set for WAR seems rather odd:
20% (dDEX) + 5% (Merits) + RR (30%) + 19% (Rancor Collar/AF3+2 Head/Zahak's/Claymore) = 74% Crit Chance. It seems highly doubtful that it has a capped crit rate before blood rage with 100 TP. I'm hoping somebody can hop in here and link (or just tell) me some actual testing/proven fact of how crit WS are calculated with their crit rate and your melee crit rate, because this seems wrong as well. Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not asking how people FIND the crit chance of a WS. I'm asking how the game actually calculates the WS's overall critical hit chance, factoring in dDEX/gear/etc. Would an Anwig Salade with Dex/Crit DMG + AGI/Crit DMG be worth getting? I am working on my Verethragna atm, and I am almost done MKD.
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said: » 20% (dDEX) + 5% (Merits) + RR (30%) + 19% (Rancor Collar/AF3+2 Head/Zahak's/Claymore) = 74% Crit Chance. This is off topic but I'll address your "attack capped" set since I'm replying to the next guy too. It's tough to nail down the "best" attack capped ws set and there's been a lot of discussion on it. Zahak's is outdated for one; it was used pre-claymore/rancor primarily. I sold mine when I picked up Rancor. Claymore can't be swapped out and is really useful for TP set, Ravagers head is used for the Double Attack so it stays. See below for my Ukkos sets based on buffs to get an idea for what I'm getting at. They are not perfect sets. =P As for your overall crit rate question, it should just add them together and apply it's chance to each hit separately unless i'm misunderstanding your question. If I am someone else would have to answer it. Siren.Thoraeon said: » Would an Anwig Salade with Dex/Crit DMG + AGI/Crit DMG be worth getting? I am working on my Verethragna atm, and I am almost done MKD. Augmented Shura Kabuto+1 > Anwig Salade > Aias Bonnet. In this light get it if you don't want to drop the heavy price/time on getting Shura+1. so even with good att and crit rate, youre goin with gorget over ire+1?
Ire+1 wins, I ditched a few items after seeing the new items coming out monday in case they took a dive in price (Vulcan's Pearl/Beir+1/Ire+1) - afterall it's hardly necessary to have perfect sets for abyssea anymore lol. It especially wins for Smite though.
edit: you made me realize I should have Ravager's Gorget in place of Light Gorget actually. kinda forgot about that. Ravager's probably beats Ire+1 in those appropriate scenarios. |
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