Blm/sch

hi2u Herald's Gaiters; Don't even have to spend the time casting storm spell or having it wear off!

And I like gravity and phalanx too much. I could potentially see blm/sch in dynamis for manifestation bind/break, but everything in dynamis dies so fast anyway. Lowman I suppose but, meh.

Spells cast god-awfully fast now with elemental celerity + +2 magian staff. It probably delays you longer using the JA than just casting it, unless you macro in the ja in the spell, but idr, that ***'s annoying; tried it and said *** it.

I keep thinking of things, not to mention the +20% casting time for stoneskin and all whitemagic spells under dark arts. Yeah you can switch to light arts, but you have a 1min delay remember~ Stoneskin can break faster than a minute to reapply, blinks can wear at anytime and if i need to cure myself now, +20% casting time hurts. It would most likely just be easier to /rdm.

I think its funny how a lot of you think /rdm only offers gravity. Maybe you guys saying that aren't doing it right that's why you think /sch is better now... just saying.

All /sch really offers blm is um a poor replacement for refresh and some strats which 90% of the time are best used for lowering cost of a couple of spells... oh I guess RR for you cheapos out there.

I don't see why everyone keeps saying sublimation is a poor replacement for refresh? They are EQUAL. You get 3 mp/tic from refresh. You get 3 mp/tic from sublimation. Not to mention the fact that sublimation prevents you from being slept and costs 0 MP instead of 40. Downside to sublimation is 30 second recast (oh noes).

And if keeping your hp above 50% for sublimation is an issue, regen 2 will help.

something that seems overlooked: dark arts also boosts enfeebling magic skill. BLM has sleepga II, which is one of the most important crowd control spells and a pro blm will know how to gear to make use of that spell - with dark arts a blm's enfeebling magic gets a huge boost making it even easier to crowd control

/sch no thanks

Well it's only 2 until you actually hit 90... and the mp spent keeping your hp up will destroy whatever mp you saved not casting refresh.

But you're still casting stoneskin regardless. And no one sane would /sch before 88 anyway.

Yes meaning you are eating away at the thing you rely on to keep you alive or cast uninterrupted...

And what happens when stoneskins down and you have manawall up cause things look icky? You go back down to 2 refresh.

Also mp now is always better than mp later unless you are pre-storing

Why the hate on /sch <_< its viable as a sub for alot of situations

/sch got alittle better But /rdm is still good

Only gimp/HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE BLMs have problems landing Sleepga2 on susceptible mobs. (EDIT: /SCH's real improvement to BLM's crowd control function is the ability to AoE Bind or Break before Sleepga2 wears off on a pack of mobs. AoE Bind/Break makes it a trivial matter to reapply Sleepga1 when the mobs wake.)

There are several pros to subbing SCH, but the boost to enfeebling skill isn't one of them. BLM has access to plenty of good enfeebling gear.

Umm I don't have a problem landing grav on most things in Abyssea..sure most bosses you can't land it but alot of the Seal NM's, VNM, and even bigger NM's Grav lands. I couldn't imagine say soloing C-C without Gravity.

ho cool SE give sch Blink/skin. But blm/sch you will always be under affect of dark art so blink/Skin will cost you 20% more mp and 20% more recast. You are a lucky blm if you never wait after skin recast. Then manawall is good but it work mutch better with phalanx on. No?

I don't say SCH suck as sub but RDM is still better for my part.

Rdm will out heal a blm easy, so will a Smn. Cure4 and BPs says hi.

How/why has this come to a healing topic??

Why is Healing even a topic in a BLM thread?

Silence is also quite handy while farming magic-casting mobs for pop items/lights/chests. When I leveled my jobs from 80-85 and 85-90, I was constantly horrified by the number of BLMs and RDMs that never attempted to silence mobs such as murex.

Refresh is poor for BLM...

110MP (after cost) is crap, compared to so much more with Sublimation.

However good your enfeebling magic skill is /rdm it will be higher /sch. You give up bind but you have break so you still have an alternative when you've maxed out sleep. You loose refresh but you have sublimation which is more efficient at giving you back MP. You gain weather boosts to your nukes. You loose gravity which is a shame but with sleep 1&2 AND break you should be able to manage just fine. You loose phalanx but how much does ~25 DMG save you when the mob is hitting for 300 and you already have stoneskin up anyways? You loose fastcast but gain arts effect which is basically a wash.

You gain alacrity, parsimony, and manifestation. At the very least /sch is way better for crowd control situations. /rdm is only better for soloing if you need to land gravity and you can't stun the mob after you nuke it to buy yourself enough time to get sleep out.

I mainly solo on BLM so yea /RDM is the way to go, and BLM has Bind native also. Also, we only get Hailstorm when we're 98, and therefore never get Thunderstorm.

And our LS doesn't really do Dynamis/Einherjar anymore so crowd control isn't really an issue.

Someone insisted blms are good for many things aside from just nuking. Just pointing out that healing isn't one of them.

If you want to bring up healing.

SCH RDM BLM SMN all suck at it.

Was a huge slap in the face with RDM and SCH not getting cure V, if you are not a WHM you are not a healing job period.

Try curing with cure IV alone its very emo.

To be honest, that's akin to pointing out that the sky is blue. We know already.

Except when 95% sleep accuracy is still 95% sleep accuracy no matter if you're Rdm or /sch.

Or when refresh really is a moot point with Abyssea. Not to mention that sublimation eats your stoneskin, worst thing you can do for a black mage.

And phalanx is great, no reason to not use it. Ever be hit by multiple mobs? Hell you know how crazy people go for pdt sets, in your example, 25 of 300 dmg is almost a 10% reduction, and that's before stoneskin goes into effect. And again, sublimation eats most of your stoneskin, why don't you just save yourself the +20% casting time on it and just run around without it!?

Weather spells suck atm, why would you cast Aero5 over Blizz5 unless you can't land blizzard on it?

Alacrity...so useful when we have 15% fast cast, 12% staff, + elemental celerity.

Parsimony...so useful with mega refresh. Maybe outside of Abyssea, but meh, there's nothing else to do.

Manifestation bind/break is the only thing sch has going for it imo.

Might sound silly, but don't forget where /RDM is Mana Wall friendly. In lowman situations I enjoy dual tanking or knowing that I can hold a mob while people recover. And having convert provides that extra time when mp finally starts to dwindle down to breaking. It's kind of left field but it's a reason why I feel /rdm also trumps /sch

No it isn't.

That comes out to 110 every 2.5 min or an average of 2.2 a tic.

Assuming you have 1k hp and never get knocked below 50% (lol) and sublimate right on time everytime. And never have manawall eat some of it. And only use 1 extra stoneskin because of it. (notice all the condtions that can hinder it) each cycle will take 6.75 min and net you 340ish mp. Or 2.5ish a tic. Barely more under the best of circumstances

Pretty much my favourite reason, that and solo AoE farming time extensions needs phalanx.

Has it really come down to refresh and sublimation... really. How often do you guys run out of mp in abyssea? All the atma and buffs I never have a problem with mp and I'm galka.

Lol on blm? Quite a bit I only use minkin for refresh. The rest is dmg