Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?

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 Valefor.Prothescar
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-03-14 19:32:39
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Not even necessary if you have a halfway decent PDT set, but it definitely helps. It only costs 1 point to set, can't be too tough.
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-14 19:42:20
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Haha I didn't mean that Cocoon is my excuse for dieing. I just mean I don't set any tanking spells when I do abyssea stuff usually. atm, my gear has basically no PDT (Jelly ring and dark ring, bleh). I haven't the room or had the opportunity to obtain anything very good. I've given up on obtaining anything endgame that I can't solo. Linkshells and lotting are not my forte.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-03-14 19:42:43
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How can you not have space for cocoon? You only need two spells for proc unless you're setting all 6 lol? BLU can mitigate damage better than PLD atm (except for ochain) and do amazing damage. I would recommend that you do in fact tank ***like a champ. You don't need cocoon either, but it really helps a lot (and it's 1 point!).

PDT gear is not hard to get for BLU at all. Umbra cape is amazing, -12% at night. Can use genbu's shield, but you probably won't want to with almace. Can get -10% pdt sword for offhand easily (the earth trials are really quick to do). Twilight torque is very common drop that you can solo no problem with charged whisker. Dark rings with at least -5% pdt are not too uncommon. That's pretty much all I use and I've never had problems tanking any NM in abyssea.

Definitely get the torque and the cape nq or hq though. Those are very easy to get and help a lot.
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By Asura.Jaybezz 2011-03-14 19:44:30
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Bismarck.Helel said:
How can you not have space for cocoon? You only need two spells for proc unless you're setting all 6 lol? BLU can mitigate damage better than PLD atm (except for ochain) and do amazing damage. I would recommend that you do in fact tank ***like a champ. You don't need cocoon either, but it really helps a lot (and it's 1 point!).

my hero lol
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2011-03-14 19:46:32
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Yeah even unbuffed my BLU tanks better than my PLD. I would be pretty upset about this. But my PLD has been retired since I hit lv 75. It's just sort of there to have anymore. And I'm sure having somewhat decent gear would help a lot too. Anything beyond dynamis I just don't have the opportunity to obtain.
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By Asura.Jaybezz 2011-03-14 19:51:25
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PDT/MDT gear etc is expensive just do a cruor burn party ( not a exp party a cruor party) and NPC what 90% of the server shitkids wear the white blue pink army gear :P


(that is if u struggle 2 make gil that is... just put 2 and 2 2gether there...)
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-03-14 21:37:51
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MDT isn't expensive. You only need 23%~ to cap it out with Shell V, which is easy to get with torque + 2x dark rings and some coral.
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By Lilbersty 2011-03-17 12:50:39
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I currently have the Almace (85) and I am a blu. I havn't tested much with being /war because i like to have Ni/Ichi/Occultation up due to me being pretty much the main tank from damage output, but CdC ranges anywhere from 2k-5k+. Only 2 skillchain's I have tested with it are: Darkness (Chant du Cygne -> Benthic Typhoon) and Fusion (Chant du Cygne -> Goblin Rush). For whoever was talking about Magic Bursting you actually can with Everyone's Grudge (Dark Skillchain) for decent amounts of damage, usually 2k+. As for Atma's I currently use VV, RR, and Apoc. With +2 body, Battery Charge, and the Job Trait Refresh you can have 6 MP/tick which allows me to not be that worried about MP unless I'm casting Grellow spells. I do believe it is worth it to get an Almace, and who doesn't want to carve a Z into a mobs face?!
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-03-17 15:18:45
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Why VV?
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By Asura.Kese 2011-03-17 15:30:36
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Why VV?
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By Asura.Fondue 2011-03-17 15:31:14
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Asura.Kese said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Why VV?

u jellygimpmad bro?
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By Asura.Kese 2011-03-18 19:24:01
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Asura.Fondue said:
Asura.Kese said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Why VV?

u jellygimpmad bro?
/30war for life
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2011-03-18 19:28:36
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Why VV?
they didn't get atma of the gnarled horn after so many sobeks.
Asura.Fondue said:

is all I saw.
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By Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate 2011-04-11 09:03:12
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Lilbersty said:
I currently have the Almace (85) and I am a blu. I havn't tested much with being /war because i like to have Ni/Ichi/Occultation up due to me being pretty much the main tank from damage output, but CdC ranges anywhere from 2k-5k+. Only 2 skillchain's I have tested with it are: Darkness (Chant du Cygne -> Benthic Typhoon) and Fusion (Chant du Cygne -> Goblin Rush). For whoever was talking about Magic Bursting you actually can with Everyone's Grudge (Dark Skillchain) for decent amounts of damage, usually 2k+. As for Atma's I currently use VV, RR, and Apoc. With +2 body, Battery Charge, and the Job Trait Refresh you can have 6 MP/tick which allows me to not be that worried about MP unless I'm casting Grellow spells. I do believe it is worth it to get an Almace, and who doesn't want to carve a Z into a mobs face?!


btw il be working on making almace all day today also i was wondering how much Dex you was stacking when using the WS?
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-11 10:01:27
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If you're not tanking on Almace BLU, I want your other DDs. Vereth90s, Kannagi90s, whatever ... I always end up having hate for a significant amount of time.

I know this is necrobumped, but the weapon is WELL WORTH IT. It's unbelievably potent. I don't feel this powerful on any other job I've ever played except OaT 5hit DRG which is also stupidly strong.



Present CdC. If attack is capped, Ocelot Gloves, a DEX mantle and Mavi Tayt +2. If accuracy is stupidly low, Anguinus over Cuchulain's Belt.

Mathed out Love Torque to be ~even with Snow Gorget as raw damage, Love Torque contributing more due to dDEX (where noncapped) but losing accuracy. I don't have a Love Torque but it's a consideration if you have one.

Jupiter's Pearl vs Brutal Earring - Brutal won in math by approximately a percent. Jupiter's Pearl may contribute more if dDEX increase is significant.

Rajas loses to Thundersoul by <1% where fSTR is capped, and currently that difference is not enough to justify an inventory space to me (or loss in cash since I'm currently spamming the ***out of Apademak, which eats funds).

Alcide's Leggings +1 vs Lithe is also a consideration I have yet to make and may consider when I have more free cash.
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By Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate 2011-04-13 16:09:33
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@Raenryong the trial weapon u have in your off-hand slot whats the specs?
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By Hades.Stefanos 2011-04-13 16:14:01
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Bahamut.Raenryong said:
If you're not tanking on Almace BLU, I want your other DDs. Vereth90s, Kannagi90s, whatever ... I always end up having hate for a significant amount of time.

I know this is necrobumped, but the weapon is WELL WORTH IT. It's unbelievably potent. I don't feel this powerful on any other job I've ever played except OaT 5hit DRG which is also stupidly strong.



Present CdC. If attack is capped, Ocelot Gloves, a DEX mantle and Mavi Tayt +2. If accuracy is stupidly low, Anguinus over Cuchulain's Belt.

Mathed out Love Torque to be ~even with Snow Gorget as raw damage, Love Torque contributing more due to dDEX (where noncapped) but losing accuracy. I don't have a Love Torque but it's a consideration if you have one.

Jupiter's Pearl vs Brutal Earring - Brutal won in math by approximately a percent. Jupiter's Pearl may contribute more if dDEX increase is significant.

Rajas loses to Thundersoul by <1% where fSTR is capped, and currently that difference is not enough to justify an inventory space to me (or loss in cash since I'm currently spamming the ***out of Apademak, which eats funds).

Alcide's Leggings +1 vs Lithe is also a consideration I have yet to make and may consider when I have more free cash.

Quit making me want to want to bring my BLU back. :/ I'm already trained that the only job that exists for me is WHM.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie 2011-04-13 16:31:12
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Probably the most optimal set for most situations.

Khanda +2 is double attack+10
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-13 16:33:57
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Att augmented jupiter ring :). Cuch. Probably lithe boots
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-13 16:37:16
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Gilgamesh.Cardinalgate said:
@Raenryong the trial weapon u have in your off-hand slot whats the specs?

Str~

@Wulfie: Anguinus or Cuch should almost universally beat an elemental belt (there's also some controversy about whether you can use elemental gorgets of T3 SC properties) and Rajas is better than Thundersoul if fSTR not capped/sTP is doing a lot.
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By Cerberus.Wolfshadow 2011-04-13 17:05:56
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Quetzalcoatl.Wulfie said:


Probably the most optimal set for most situations.

Khanda +2 is double attack+10
Shame light belt/gorget won't work with CDC.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2011-04-13 17:13:24
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A correctly augmented anwig salade should beat Aias Bonnet no? WS damage +2%, crit hit damage +2% dex +4.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-04-13 17:19:08
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Outside Abyssea they'd probably be about even, with Aias being the clear winner if the extra DEX adds to critrate or if acc was needed. Inside Abyssea Anwig does have an advantage over Aias.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-13 17:21:24
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Of course if you were making it for outside of abyssea you could always put wsacc on it like my old one had lol.
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By Bismarck.Zeota 2011-04-14 09:32:19
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Bleah...


Just got the 85 almace the other day. Still missing a few things. Jew-rul doesn't put out and it's been a while since we fought ol' Yaanei.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2011-04-14 09:55:07
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Bismarck.Zeota said:
Bleah...


Just got the 85 almace the other day. Still missing a few things. Jew-rul doesn't put out and it's been a while since we fought ol' Yaanei.

It's not actually a bad build. Love Torque/Shifting Necklace probably will beat out the gorget. Thunder Sachet is very easy to get if you have NIN ^^

Congratulations on your Almace
 
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-14 10:31:49
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It's not confirmed at the moment where t3 skillchain properties can be activated using the corresponding gorget/belt. It appears from testing that the component parts cannot (eg you couldn't use a Flame Gorget on CdC despite Light having one part Fire) but whether the same element that the t3 is named after can be used is unknown.

Snow/Aqua will definitely work though.
 
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-14 11:23:25
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Yeah, there's been a bit of discussion about it on BG recently. It seems T3 SC damage can pick one of its four elements, rather than simply being Light or Darkness. If this is the case, using my example above where Fire doesn't work, Light might not work because although it's called Light, this may be misleading - if you see my point.

Don't take this for granite, it's not confirmed/fully worked out yet.
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