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 Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 02:59:05
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Bismarck.Kyaaadaa said:
Still needing to get that Atma... Saw it on a post earlier but just for solid clarification, this WS produces light or dark solo SC?
I don't think it actually has SC properties
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 03:01:53
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Think they're talking about Zorro, which is Light/Distortion.
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By Jar 2010-10-13 03:10:55
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Probably depends on buffs and user. But given refresh is pretty nice and the best refresh atma has 50 int on it... I'm betting Sanguine might kinda pull ahead.
Mr. no no how Dint work?

50 int wouldnt boost dmg alot for most ppl because Dint caps rather low on most things. I myself have 150+ INT easy in abyssea so no major need for more.


If you want WS power it would be the windy atma and the one from the Gnole(+30 MAB) that would make SB crazy.
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-13 03:13:08
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Jar said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Probably depends on buffs and user. But given refresh is pretty nice and the best refresh atma has 50 int on it... I'm betting Sanguine might kinda pull ahead.
Mr. no no how Dint work?

50 int wouldnt boost dmg alot for most ppl because Dint caps rather low on most things. I myself have 150+ INT easy in abyssea so no major need for more.


If you want WS power it would be the windy atma and the one from the Gnole(+30 MAB) that would make SB crazy.

The point is not the best possible Sanguine Blade. It is a combination of high Refresh for BLU spells (10 Refresh on the 50int atma) that just happens to increase Sanguine Blade.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 03:14:50
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Jar said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Probably depends on buffs and user. But given refresh is pretty nice and the best refresh atma has 50 int on it... I'm betting Sanguine might kinda pull ahead.
Mr. no no how Dint work?

50 int wouldnt boost dmg alot for most ppl because Dint caps rather low on most things.

I myself have 150+ INT easy in abyssea so no major need for more. If you want WS power it would be the windy atma and the one from the Gnole(+30 MAB) that would make SB crazy.
I've done testing on the ws myself. Hell I back calculated the old and new formula before I could find anything anywhere.

You are talking about spells. As far as I know ws with dstat mods don't have caps. And on mobs with 1 int I still got increases in dmg with like 120 int. So I'd say maybe you wont cap on mobs in abyssea with your 150 int lol. Assuming there even is one

Also it's base dmg tends to be kinda low so int tends to do decent amounts. And the point was you get that 50 int as just a bonus to getting 10 refresh... I mean you could always get the +darkness dmg one for some craziness
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 03:17:55
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Jar said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Probably depends on buffs and user. But given refresh is pretty nice and the best refresh atma has 50 int on it... I'm betting Sanguine might kinda pull ahead.
Mr. no no how Dint work?

50 int wouldnt boost dmg alot for most ppl because Dint caps rather low on most things. I myself have 150+ INT easy in abyssea so no major need for more.


If you want WS power it would be the windy atma and the one from the Gnole(+30 MAB) that would make SB crazy.
You do realize dINT has no known hard cap (even with brew) for damage on anything stronger than a T1 nuke, right?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 03:26:36
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
You do realize dINT has no known hard cap (even with brew) for damage on anything stronger than a T1 nuke, right?
Hmmm yeah just nuked some lvl 0 mobs with like 120 int and still has boost lol. In fact doing the math I didn't even hit the supposed inflection point where it has half potency
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-13 03:29:36
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
You do realize dINT has no known hard cap (even with brew) for damage on anything stronger than a T1 nuke, right?
Hmmm yeah just nuked some lvl 0 mobs with like 120 int and still has boost lol. In fact doing the math I didn't even hit the supposed inflection point where it has half potency

Pretty sure Brew is giving a MAB bonus aswell. (Would not be surprised in the slightest if it was 999 MAB also.) Or perhaps a Magic Attack increase. Just have 999int won't produce 7k nukes. lol
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 03:59:08
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Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
You do realize dINT has no known hard cap (even with brew) for damage on anything stronger than a T1 nuke, right?
Hmmm yeah just nuked some lvl 0 mobs with like 120 int and still has boost lol. In fact doing the math I didn't even hit the supposed inflection point where it has half potency
Pretty sure Brew is giving a MAB bonus aswell. (Would not be surprised in the slightest if it was 999 MAB also.) Or perhaps a Magic Attack increase. Just have 999int won't produce 7k nukes. lol
Actually I think you can if there is no dint cap at all. Let's take aero IV and assume a mob into of 120.

Now I haven't seen any testing done on the +element magic dmg mostly cause I haven't looked so hard so I'll leave them out of it even though it would probably add alot more. So for atmas lets just assume 2 30MAB ones.

Now rdm has 24 from traits and can get 59 from gear not including waist. And another 50 from ascetics gambir. So 193 total. Could get more from outside buffs but meh.

Then trial staff for for 1.3X dmg.

Let's add in day with obi and zodiac ring for another 1.13X boost.

So

( 440+ 2*(999-120))*1.3*2.93*1.13= 9460...

This is all achieveable with no outside help and +element attack will likely do more


Also I slapped you ig!
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-13 04:02:56
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
You do realize dINT has no known hard cap (even with brew) for damage on anything stronger than a T1 nuke, right?
Hmmm yeah just nuked some lvl 0 mobs with like 120 int and still has boost lol. In fact doing the math I didn't even hit the supposed inflection point where it has half potency
Pretty sure Brew is giving a MAB bonus aswell. (Would not be surprised in the slightest if it was 999 MAB also.) Or perhaps a Magic Attack increase. Just have 999int won't produce 7k nukes. lol
Actually I think you can if there is no dint cap at all. Let's take aero IV and assume a mob into of 120.

Now I haven't seen any testing done on the +element magic dmg mostly cause I haven't looked so hard so I'll leave them out of it even though it would probably add alot more. So for atmas lets just assume 2 30MAB ones.

Now rdm has 24 from traits and can get 59 from gear not including waist. And another 50 from ascetics gambir. So 193 total. Could get more from outside buffs but meh.

Then trial staff for for 1.3X dmg.

Let's add in day with obi and zodiac ring for another 1.13X boost.

So

( 440+ 2*(999-120))*1.3*2.93*1.13= 9460...

This is all achieveable with no outside help and +element attack will likely do more


Also I slapped you ig!

Interesting. Though I am not so sure that Ascetic's will stack with Brew. Can't really prove it either way at this time though. :(
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 04:08:05
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Even without ascetic with everything else the same you'd almost hit 8k
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By Bahamut.Aiyana 2010-10-13 04:10:48
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Hmm. Could you drop that down to Blizzard III, remove the obi/ring and use an Aquilo's Staff with sub-par equip? If it lands anywhere near 5-7k then Brew likely has no MAB component.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 04:22:43
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Bahamut.Aiyana said:
Hmm. Could you drop that down to Blizzard III, remove the obi/ring and use an Aquilo's Staff with sub-par equip? If it lands anywhere near 5-7k then Brew likely has no MAB component.
That would lower dmg alot. I mean you are lowering the dint multiplier and killing another 13% from day and going from 30 to 15% on the staff. Not to mention lower base dmg from the spell.

Assuming 0 effect from the +ice magic on one of the MAB atmas but still counting gambir and say dropping the gear MAB down to say about 40 (a rdm nuking with capped macc/int shouldn't really do less.

It would come out to 5162. Assuming +30 ice attack means 30%... 6711. Don't think the other ice attack one was found at the time.

Depending on how the ice attack thing works out and really well geared using T4 spells and weather etc I would imagine over 10k nukes are possible just from the int bonus on brew
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-10-13 04:43:36
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How to farm empyrial weapons:

EXP your *** off in aby til you get 2M cruor.
Farm popitem for Mega-boss of choice.
Use Brew on RDM and chainspell nuke the NM.
Repeat!
:P

Edit: that thing is so overpowered >_<
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By Asura.Sechs 2010-10-13 05:03:49
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Hades.Stefanos said:
and I've heard some of the new WSes are at least on par with relic WSes.
Ehr no? Where did you hear that?
As far as some of the tested WS (GKT, GAXE etc) they're WAY BETTER than Relic ones.

To be honest most relic WS aren't even that good to begin with, it's usually the weapon/aftermath (or special effects, hello Cata!) that make some of them awesome. It's not just "pure damage".

If we're talking about damage from what has been seen so far the Empyreal WS destroy anything that has ever been in this game so far, and by a large amount.
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By Jar 2010-10-13 07:58:00
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ΔINT : difference between your INT and target’s INT (caps at 24 for WS) SB isnt a tier nuke.
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By Shiva.Khimaira 2010-10-13 09:45:00
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This is still considered a BLU thread?
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-10-13 11:49:37
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
How to farm empyrial weapons:

EXP your *** off in aby til you get 2M cruor.
Farm popitem for Mega-boss of choice.
Use Brew on RDM and chainspell nuke the NM.
Repeat!
:P

Edit: that thing is so overpowered >_<
Pft, don't even need RDM CS, can spam Hexa Strike on WHM lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-13 13:46:10
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Jar said:
ΔINT : difference between your INT and target’s INT (caps at 24 for WS) SB isnt a tier nuke.
SB uses dINT rather than fINT, and given Dasva's tests it's readily evident that it's not capping at any reasonable value.

Who doesn't know how dINT works?
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2010-10-13 13:51:20
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Cerberus.Deadplaything said:
I want a weaponskill that does the entire alphabet. PYA 26 hit weaponskill


haha, Ya.. who doesn't!

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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-13 16:04:25
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Jar said:
ΔINT : difference between your INT and target’s INT (caps at 24 for WS) SB isnt a tier nuke.
SB uses dINT rather than fINT, and given Dasva's tests it's readily evident that it's not capping at any reasonable value.

Who doesn't know how dINT works?
This. Also technically the ws that cap don't cap dint but cap fint which is calculation kinda like fstr which happens to cap at 24dint.

And hell I don't know if any of the magical weaponskills since nyzle ones came out that actually use fint lol. Hell they don't even all use int for there dstat mod. Like say the ranged ones that use 2dagi.

I just retested and still saw appropriate dmg increase at 149dint...
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2010-10-14 09:26:15
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Working on Almace slowly for the joys of it.... 2/50 helms. Light/Distortion or not, I'd rather wait and see more impressions (and BLU impressions) on the weapon than writing it off.

Also the weapon has a supposed three more upgrades as it reaches a lvl 99 version.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-10-14 10:01:59
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WERENT YOU WORKING ON TIZONA? YOU NEVER GONNA FINISH EITHER OF THEM I BET LOL, FOCUS ON ONE ;P
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2010-10-14 10:03:51
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WOOPS CAP LOCKS IS ON. I'D TRY AND GET AN ALMACE MYSELF JUST CAUSE, BUT I HATE THE NM YOU HAVE TO FIGHT, WILL TAKE FOREVER TO GET IT DONE. I GUESS ONCE LVL 99 CAP IS AROUND HE WILL BE A LOT EASIER SO YOU CAN 6 MAN HIM WITH 3 ATMA AND BUNCH OF RDMS KITING HIM AROUND THAT POND A LOT FASTER THAN YOU CAN DO THAT NOW. ALSO WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU GET AT 99 SPELL WISE/JA SO COULD BE EVEN EASIER TO GET DONE, NOT GONNA BOTHER NOW THOUGH. THEN THEY WILL PROBABLY MAKE THE LAST TWO TRIALS OR W.E A LOT HARDER LOL
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By Carbuncle.Shokox 2010-10-15 01:14:49
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Leviathan.Draylo said:
WOOPS CAP LOCKS IS ON. I'D TRY AND GET AN ALMACE MYSELF JUST CAUSE, BUT I HATE THE NM YOU HAVE TO FIGHT, WILL TAKE FOREVER TO GET IT DONE. I GUESS ONCE LVL 99 CAP IS AROUND HE WILL BE A LOT EASIER SO YOU CAN 6 MAN HIM WITH 3 ATMA AND BUNCH OF RDMS KITING HIM AROUND THAT POND A LOT FASTER THAN YOU CAN DO THAT NOW. ALSO WHO KNOWS WHAT YOU GET AT 99 SPELL WISE/JA SO COULD BE EVEN EASIER TO GET DONE, NOT GONNA BOTHER NOW THOUGH. THEN THEY WILL PROBABLY MAKE THE LAST TWO TRIALS OR W.E A LOT HARDER LOL

DAMN YOUR CAPS, NOW I'M DOING IT TOO. Well I'm still working on Tizona as well, all that's left now virtually is buying 45~52 mil worth of alex and 27 assaults. Oh and Tyger's Tail in which I'll be getting soon.

No need for a 2nd STR Sword Jessie, I like my OAT for nao, lol.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-10-15 01:43:45
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Can't be assed to finish my OAT, lol. Probably would have done a DA sword if I'd ever made progress on Alexandrite though.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-15 01:51:14
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So I just did my first abyssea pt since I got use of a refresh atma.

Spent most the time tanking especially once I got 81. Anywho between all the spells I was spamming and utsesmi even with 2-3 swd I often barely had tp by the time CA was up. If I had merited recast would've had to wait lol.

Though for fun I'd bust out some 1k+ Sanguine blades everytime I got ascetics
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By Fenrir.Snick 2010-10-15 10:39:29
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said:
Can't be assed to finish my OAT, lol. Probably would have done a DA sword if I'd ever made progress on Alexandrite though.
You mean cause you can't solo LR right?

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