Its oa2-4. I know its not the ideal choice but I've had it for a while and if anythning its fun to mess with lol. I also have str shamshir +3 and Isador. Will probably make the DA Khanda now though. (i think thats the best choice for aftermath and such?)
what about gorget/belt vs rancor/cuch combo? you'd think gorget/belt would be better? I honestly have no idea.
Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?
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Chant du Cygne worth it for BLU?
Bismarck.Crebont said: » Its oa2-4. I know its not the ideal choice but I've had it for a while and if anythning its fun to mess with lol. I also have str shamshir +3 and Isador. Will probably make the DA Khanda now though. (i think thats the best choice for aftermath and such?) what about gorget/belt vs rancor/cuch combo? you'd think gorget/belt would be better? I honestly have no idea. Gorget is not a bad option by any means but rancor is going to beat it so long as your crit rate is not capped. Cuch belt trumps the wsbelt though. Also I use a Aesir Ear Pendant but I'm not not sure if there is better overall. I think a conserve tp proc is worth a bit but I don't do that level of math. TP Bonus Moonshade Earring adds ~2.5% critrate per Prothescar's CDC critrate testing so that's generally your best option provided you're not WSing at 300 TP/at a point where DEX would give more critrate. Jupiter's Pearl, Aesir Ear Pendant, and Suppanomimi are the next best options and all have situations where they're better than each other.
STR Shamshir was generally a better offhand at 90. None of the magian weapons got anything of interest this update so I doubt much has changed in terms of weapon hierarchy. Only offhands I could see being useful next to STR sword would be Magic Attack Down for VW NMs that like to get spammy with magic based attacks, Defense Down if you haven't got another source for it, or TP bonus for an extra 10% crit rate on CDC. The former two options are for utility and the group as a whole/defensive in the case of MATK-; the latter I have been unable to convince myself is worth it in the long run when considering loss of DoT.
what about an Anwig Salade? any augments on that to make it a decent piece for cdc or is it total ***now? ;/ gonna solo it today for the hell of it lol.
Bismarck.Crebont said: » what about an Anwig Salade? any augments on that to make it a decent piece for cdc or is it total ***now? ;/ gonna solo it today for the hell of it lol. WSDMG+/CritDMG+ would be ideal right? If you're making your Moogle hat with BLU in mind, using it for stats that can't be replicated seems more logical. Fast cast/Cure potency are what come to mind and what I use mine for. There are plenty of other good CDC heads out there to choose from.
I'm just trying to max out my cdc. I just finished the fight (lol 68k darkness), so I guess my question would be.. are there any augment combos that would be better then aias bonnet? cuz if not then yea i suppose I could make it into something else. :(
Going for ACP now, but at this point in the game is Mirke Wardecors even worth using? Is Atheling Mantle the best back piece for CDC? Cuchulain's Mantle or Nifty Mantle worth looking at? Just curious.
Sylph.Killuka said: » Is Atheling Mantle the best back piece for CDC? Cuchulain's Mantle or Nifty Mantle worth looking at? Just curious. But more likely than not, you find yoursself without capped acc and att, which are important stats to make your WS dmg constant and high also. In Abyssea, for example, you get a large boost to both of those stats by only getting cruors buffs and certain atmas, as well as the acc/att drink(s), so you wont have to make up for those in your gear much and stack up WS mods and multiattack items. With that in mind, that all is not the case outside of Abyssea, at least not in these quantities. Therefor, it's usually needed to adjust your gear into a direction that provides you with more acc/att because without those, your WS mod(s) won't help you to increase your dmg much and neither will it help it the consistancy of WS dmg. To your question though, Atheling is the better option outside and as for belt, it depends on your acc, really. Cuchulain's offers dmg increase only and ele belt a slight dmg increase and acc on top of that, along with possible conserve tp. So, that's really up to your buffs (high acc already or not?) and preference. Carbuncle.Grandthief said: » Sylph.Killuka said: » Is Atheling Mantle the best back piece for CDC? Cuchulain's Mantle or Nifty Mantle worth looking at? Just curious. But more likely than not, you find yoursself without capped acc and att, which are important stats to make your WS dmg constant and high also. In Abyssea, for example, you get a large boost to both of those stats by only getting cruors buffs and certain atmas, as well as the acc/att drink(s), so you wont have to make up for those in your gear much and stack up WS mods and multiattack items. With that in mind, that all is not the case outside of Abyssea, at least not in these quantities. Therefor, it's usually needed to adjust your gear into a direction that provides you with more acc/att because without those, your WS mod(s) won't help you to increase your dmg much and neither will it help it the consistancy of WS dmg. To your question though, Atheling is the better option outside and as for belt, it depends on your acc, really. Cuchulain's offers dmg increase only and ele belt a slight dmg increase and acc on top of that, along with possible conserve tp. So, that's really up to your buffs (high acc already or not?) and preference. Thanks, that helps... a bit, i get what you're saying though. However my question wasn't about Cuchulain's Belt, it was about the Mantle. 4Str 4Dex 5Accuracy. But thanks to your explanation, if my accuracy wasnt capped i might go for the CM over Atheling outside of aby. Sylph.Killuka said: » Thanks, that helps... a bit, i get what you're saying though. However my question wasn't about Cuchulain's Belt, it was about the Mantle. 4Str 4Dex 5Accuracy. But thanks to your explanation, if my accuracy wasnt capped i might go for the CM over Atheling outside of aby. However, it still stands that atheling is the best option for that slot, even if your acc is low. I would honestly rather eat like bream sushi instead if acc would be that much of an issue. Carbuncle.Grandthief said: » Sylph.Killuka said: » Thanks, that helps... a bit, i get what you're saying though. However my question wasn't about Cuchulain's Belt, it was about the Mantle. 4Str 4Dex 5Accuracy. But thanks to your explanation, if my accuracy wasnt capped i might go for the CM over Atheling outside of aby. However, it still stands that atheling is the best option for that slot, even if your acc is low. I would honestly rather eat like bream sushi instead if acc would be that much of an issue. Point taken. Thanks for the advice :) Just to attempt to get a bit of an update on everyones views. For INSIDE Abyssea is this still your best bet?
I'm couple days from getting my lvl 85 almace so wanna be ready to gear for CDC. Obviously everything boils down to personal opinion but there still seems to be a few pieces up in the air between some people. Cuch+Rancor vs. Snow Gorget/belt Lithe boots vs alcide leggings +1 Raja+Epona's vs. thundersoul + rajas (or whatever other combo of the 3) Aesir ear pendant vs suppa vs dex earrings TP Bonus+Attack Moonshade > Aesir. Aside from that yes
Cerberus.Caius said: » Obviously everything boils down to personal opinion but there still seems to be a few pieces up in the air between some people. Cuch+Rancor vs. Snow Gorget/belt Lithe boots vs alcide leggings +1 Raja+Epona's vs. thundersoul + rajas (or whatever other combo of the 3) Aesir ear pendant vs suppa vs dex earrings As I've tried to explain in the post just a bit earlier on this very page, it depends on your acc/att "situation". Therefore, there is no 1 optimal set, as everything is always situational. What works on exp mobs, can suck on NMs. What works with 1 set of atmas or one pt setup, might not work with others, etc etc. To your gear questions: Your setup looks good and you would use lithe over alcide and dex ring ove rajas (if you dont need STP) in situations where acc and att is capped, like on exp mobs and with constant usage of drinks. That being said, those aren't situation of any value anyway and the increases are only very slightly, if even noticable (my guess). So, I would just stick with a well-rounded set like you listed and adjust it as needed (ele belt and suppa for more acc, for example). BLU isn't capping attack on XP mobs or NMs.
To cap attack on an Easy PRey scorpion in Tahrongi Canyon, I needed Triumphant Roar, Berserk and Frightful Roar. Even then not 100% sure if I was capped, but if not I was likely close. Edit: Didn't need Berserk. Prothescar said: Confirmed that CDC's crit rate carries over to additional hits, unlike http://fTP. Test was conducted on scorpions in Abyssea - Tahrongi. After finding their DEF I conducted the test with the parameters in the data below. (the -10% DEF and +15% ATK are Frightful Roar and Triumphant Roar, to ensure that I almost absolutely had capped attack) Scorpion: 339 DEF (-10%, 305) Me: 641 Attack (+15%, 737), 81+154 DEX 300TP, 60% Crit Rate (dDEX+Merits+RR+Rancor), 35% Crit Damage (RR+Loki) TP for 1 hit: 7 TP for 2 hits: 8 TP for 3 hits: 9 Lowest possible CDC with all 3 hits: 2808 Lowest possible CDC with 2 hits: 2147 Lowest possible CDC with just offhand: 661 Results: 2440 (8 tp) 2208 (8 tp) 2293 (8 tp) 2487 (8 tp) 2515 (8 tp) 2506 (8 tp) 2358 (8 tp) 2422 (8 tp) 2415 (8 tp) 3312 (9 tp) 3022 (9 tp) 1519 (2 tp) 3188 (9 tp) 3165 (9 tp) 3248 (9 tp) 21 additional hits, so ~0.4^15, or ~0.0001% chance of not seeing a non crit, for those that were worried about the statistics last time. This also inadvertently adds 21 more samples to my 300TP crit rate tests. Inside Abyssea: Moonshade Earring with TP Bonus +25/Attack+4, Ocelomeh Headpiece +1, possibly Toci's Harness (don't remember, don't care, inventory +1 is pretty cool when you're 78/80 anyway so out goes my Kaftan), Epona's + augmented Jupiter's Ring with attack+4~6. Lithe and Alcide's +1 are basically identical, depends on the situation.
Quote: ele belt and suppa for more acc, for example Loki's is superior to Toci's inside of Abyssea, but as Nightfyre stated for inventory reasons it isn't a big difference. Jupiter's with attack over rajas, too. Valefor.Prothescar said: » 60% Crit Rate (dDEX+Merits+RR) EDIT : Maybe you forgot saying + Rancor Collar? Probably, at the time I'd just finished doing this:
Prothescar said: Did some testing on Chant du Cygne's natural crit rate since most of what we have on it now is almost all estimation based on Blade: Hi. For the most part this seems to be correct, however the value at 300tp was a little different. Overall it seems that CDC is not an analog to Blade: Hi. I made sure that the sample size for 60% crit rate was sufficient enough to enable my conclusion of 40%, the end chance of not seeing a non crit was 2%. I'll expand on my data when I get time, but for now this is where I'll leave it. Likely groggy at that point Thanks for the testing proth :>
Come 99 on test server, I expect us to go on another romp with the bees >_> I'm looking forward to it D:<
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[394 days between previous and next post]I have a quick question, this is my current CDC set
I was wondering if Athos's pants would beat out tumbler trunks in/outside abyssea. Or if Tumbler still the better of the two? Was thinking Athos might pull ahead with the boots for a partial set? or if the 18atk outweighs that. offhand should be str sword
i think those kacura +1 w/e the hell they are called win if no thaumas Athos Legs win inside and outside
I started reading from the first page and became extremely confused
Bahamut.Cantontai said: » Athos Legs win inside and outside Or better yet, complete WOTG and get your TP Bonus Moonshade Earring. Easily duoable these days. Also, Epona's Ring for the other ring. Asura.Vysere said: » Bahamut.Cantontai said: » Athos Legs win inside and outside Or better yet, complete WOTG and get your TP Bonus Moonshade Earring. Easily duoable these days. Also, Epona's Ring for the other ring. My brain somehow skipped over the Thunder Ring. This post is totally right, I was just thinking Ghillie +1 in terms of "go to the AH and buy this right now" kind of upgrades. |
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