Chant Du Cygne Worth It For BLU?

Still 10% less dual wield though.

That said, come 99 BLU will probably be able to get DW3.

I guess lol just still setting DW2 with 4 spells when you get a better DW for free seems silly

It's funny that you talk about people epeening on /WAR, yet waste ~two seconds per WS cycle on Fantod. You're doing the same thing, but worse.

Also, you're not wasting set points. While you have to set extra spells for DW II, you're no longer expending points for the DA trait and also get Attack Bonus for free if you were setting it previously.

Finally, there are a lot of considerations that I believe you've completely overlooked when making your blanket statement than /NIN > /WAR. You've overlooked variances in cRatio, where Berserk can be a huge boost depending on target mob, food choices, and gear. You've overlooked the potential for wait times between NM fights lining up such that you can keep Berserk up for more than 60% of your time spent engaged. If you weren't setting the Attack Bonus trait previously, that's a ~2% increase in damage across the board.

/WAR has its place. It's not always better, but saying that /NIN is better than /WAR and the only people that use /WAR are epeeners is simply wrong.

I can't remember seeing any numbers on this before, so I'll ask like I usually do:P

In a strict DD point of view, focusing on melee dmg.
/nin vs /war, what's actually better for overall dmg, and how far behind is the loser?

10% DW will lose to Berserk/Aggressor if both are used productively, without doing any hard calculations (it worked out this way on THF, and we're comparing DW2 to DW3 again so unless I'm overlooking something). In a case where only Berserk is used, it's fairly even (depends just how much you need the Berserk). In a case where only Aggressor is used, /war wins.

So, vs high-def nms like alfard etc, /war is actually better then?
But well, if /nin is right behind, guess I'll hold on to that for safety.

Anyone have a recommended spell set for this baby???

I have on my blu, both an Isador, and a MageBlade. I also do use from time to time, offhand my Khanda+2. ( perfer Mageblade and Khanda+2, but sometimes I mix and match.. even at sometimes I do use the Isa , for the Spell interuption down.)

I mean, it's really entirely up to the user, really???

My spells do mean damage anyways...its just an extra if I want to have a "Z" sword.

Isador is Fast Cast, and Mageblade is Spell Interuption Down. But ultimately, all the trolls in the world (myself included in that) can't tell you how to play your game, so I suppose you're right and it is up to the user. Almace is completely game changing for BLU though, it's not "just" an extra, it's a metamorphasism.

Almace makes you a somewhat relevant DD on any monster higher than EM-T. You won't be pumping out the numbers of some other DD jobs, but it gets the job done.

Man after playing last night I am bringing sexy back /thf just was to much fun TA + CDC for 2k-3k then CA+Efflux+SA+BT made me fall out my chair gonna keep testing and running parses but damn easy 6k and 6k darkness is just sexy....

Nothing like red proc as well to make getting the sa off with ease.

yeah it's very very very fun but only with a lowman group :\

Why in the world would a low-man group want a BLU/THF? If the BLU isn't the tank or a mule there for procs, it shouldn't be there.

sniff sniff damn smells like troll well I guess easy 15k damage in 10 sec blows chunks lol. Yep playing blu is such a waste if your not tanking or a mule >.>



Still fun as hell tho with my almace I love to play the parse game it's kind of fun watching ppl go wtf....

I agreed with you up to this point since 90% of the time the whole point of a lowman group is to get the drops with as little as possible and as fast as possible and blu is a yellow proc job. It is like saying why would a blm sub brd, which is a valid point until you factor in they can at least ES threnody. While not practical, it gets the job done most times if there is no brd main to be seen.

I've helped several lowman groups just for procs alone, the fact that I had an almace was a side thought since who gives a crap about killing something fast if you can't even proc it to make it worth while? Especially if it takes 3-4 KI to pop? Usually it is something along the lines of blm/brd, blu/nin or blu/rdm, rdm or whm/rdm and a thf, mnk, or nin for tank role. If you're just doing Emp weapon NM you can get away with as little as 2 since procs are not needed for those drops.

In most instances of lowman, a blu/thf will not see utility outside of red proc balls-to-the-wall-zerg cause they either take too much damage themselves or the zomg spike dmg doesn't really compare to other functional roles of the blu. Also, while occulation is nice, it is just blink, meaning it doesn't really negate the use of /nin if any AOE/conal just wipes the effect clean off. It's nice, but not game breakingly useful in all situations.


While my spells did mean damage prior to Almace, and still do, I've found that having almace has been a very big change in how I play the job. From Atma I use, up to how I plan out DDing and spell sets the job has become very different. This is mainly due to the fact I can pump out good DD when needed without excessive TP feed to the move being fought in small spurts which spell spam tends to do. With a good setup, most any mob you encounter in abyssea you'll be able to one-shot with WS and on NM's you'll still see high end WS dmg. On lesser NM I've done up to 7.2k, greater NM I've still managed upwards of 4-5k not to mention the aftermath effect and the ability to do light or darkness (so long as this doesn't become counter productive and heals the NM).

Anyway, that is my 2 cents ~shrugs~ No one can make anyone play a certain way, but people will generally tell you their opinion as to why a given sub or sword choice is incomparable to another.

That's 13k damage in 1 minute since you can't SA every 10 seconds. Also that's an EXP/Trash mob which 13k wouldn't matter at all. Find better stuff to feed trolls or flaws will defeat the purpose :)

Doh lol u missed the pt I was just talking about from the time u cdc till darkness talking about the post above that one goes off is 15k damage in 10 seconds lmao nit pick some more. The pic was just showing the potential damage of BT I never seen non brew numbers like that myself lol.

I like it so far makes short work of zerging most emp weapon mobs and its fun so win win. I bring my 90 whm mule to heal me since no matter what I sub on blu I end up tanking and death is well nothing since apoc I just ge up and keep zerging lol.

Ah that's what the 10 sec ref was, well SA 1 min recast still applies :D Don't get me wrong the 13k B.Typhoon is cool but what's it do on say Sobek or another Emp NM, that would be a cooler/better pic to use imo.

That's a cool Azure Lore'd BT.

Yeah I am working on that it just came to me the other night that I had become lazy with my blu since just spamming spells had become my norm and I end up tanking then face down any way. So after completing my almace decided it was time to see what numbers I could pull off and when I hit a 5k CDC subbed nin I started to think follow that with Ca+sa+efflux benthic typoon for darkness and see whats what lol.

With 14 90 jobs and almost all the red/blue/yellow procs except bard has made me lazy warping change jobs proc warp keeping everything optimal has become a nightmare but Blu been my love since it came out so love playing it again more hardcore bring sexy back /thf just brings up memories of cannonball spam on many fights in the past lol.

I was thinking the same thing, but it's nice to see the potential. Kenshy can you get us some good SS on NM mobs?

First of all, my english is really bad so excuse me for this @_@

Well with a low man group, so we say mnk whm blm blu for cover almost all procs, there aren't other dd expetion of mnk so no one interrupt self sc.
15k with recast of CA and efflux of course, with no efflux a average 11-12k a sc but you can spam cdc when those are down so is always fun and kill more faster the NM ;)

sure if you are don't prepared you dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee many many time but if you are a good blu, tank even with /thf until the tank take back hate.

here a pics with damage /thf, those on raja and rani with 2h, 10k+ set proc. Common atma APOC RR and with benthic GH, with vanity SS

Lose meele dot i know but i like play in this way so i'm ok with this :3



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Shouldn't really need /THF to hit those numbers on CDC.

Nope I do them pretty normally on those NMs as /nin.

Same.

Edit: Well, I wouldn't say normally. But I imagine he wasn't hitting that high on every WS either. Afaik Sneak Attack and Trick Attack don't have a profound effect when subbed aside from guaranteeing a crit, (in the case of SA), unless I'm horribly wrong.

That's correct. I am impressed by the rani SS though even though it's not CDC.

yes with RR and GH cdc don't need sneak attack, is always the same damage more or less, i use when i set SS instead GH, -20% crit rate on cdc is a bad lost. Off course when ca and efflux are down, sneak attack is for spell mainly.

How is -20% crit rate a bad loss when you just gained +30% crit damage? Although I don't think anyone has figured out CDC's crit rate, even without GH and assuming CDC is 10% at 100 TP, 20% from dDEX + 5% merits + 30% RR, 5% rancor collar if you have, that's 70% chance to crit right there.

Because with a 70% crit hit rate, you have only a 34.3% (.7^3) chance of critical hitting all of your hits, while with GH pushing your critical hit rate from 70% to 90% it improves your chance of criting all hits to 72.9% (.9^3). Of course GH gains even more standing if you would care to include triple attack/offhand into the equation.