Coffer Is An Illusion

Anyone know why this happens. I went to pick a coffer and it said "it was but an illusion" It didnt take my key, and no i have not recently opened a chest or coffer anywhere.

You didn't but someone else did so technically the coffer wasn't up. The coffer was only up for people there for maps or AF.

Yes and no I am a 75 thief and i have gotten that with a key for the chest. I have not played with coffer's sense the update but in a chest i have gotten 10+ chest is an Illusion in a row and logged and got back on and had it happen again, also I have gotten many in a row chest after chest so as far as i can tell it's just random as far as i can tell.

You are only allowed to get a coffer once every 45 minutes to an hour. If you attempt to collect a coffer within the grace period it will vanish and you will get the illusion message. This is one of squares new methods to prevent treasure hunters from hording coffers. Making it easier for everyone to get a chance. That is also why they pop in 5 minutes after being opened instead of 15 minutes.

Chests follow a similar rule but have a much shorter grace period.

How is that easier for ppl that need them? If I go and open a chest that someone close behind me needs for AF, it disapears and we are both stuck looking for it again.

Anyways that sucks big! lol
I do remember reading that now, didnt know everyone affected it though, thought it was just for when the last time i opened a chest, not others.

EDIT: thanks for the responses ^^

I hate this crap. so freaking frustrating. would be nice if they had left it alone... to where the coffer just wasnt *** there until you were able to open it. Much simpler.

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Boohoo. You miss out on some pocketchange. Meanwhile coffers repop every five minutes for people who actually need them.

Seriously you people are bitching about not being able to open a chest that normally wouldn't be there anyways. Come on now.

I remember entering KRT to get myself some battle gloves and I got nothing but illusions for like an hour straight despite not opening chests or coffers anywhere else for at least a few weeks. There were a few people running around but I highly doubt they were getting results for the hour I spent running all over trying to open chests.

I did however managed to open one when it was in a spawn point far far away from where I had originally attempted to open them. Do you think there's a "real" chest while the rest are fake fodder to fool people?

ok so if it "normally" wouldnt be there anyway, why bother putting it there at all?

Seriously, all the coffer update did was frustrate people.

In the four years i've been opening coffers, I cant recall ever being held back because of someone over-camping a coffer. Come to think of it, I cant recall hearing this complaint from any of the hundreds of players I've spent time around.

So in my opinion, this update to coffer spawns was a total waste of time and resources, as it seems it was only implemented to frustrate coffer farmers.

Ive never heard ppl complain about it before either. But the point i was making is, if im running around making all the chest disapear, how does that help the person thats looking for AF, b/c he has to keep running in circles too. If I or anyone, wanted to be a jerk, they would have to wait just as long if not longer b/c im finding the chest first. All im saying it they shouldnt make it disapear. Just tell me I cant open it.

Cause after awhile you're gonna stop looking for coffers cause you're gonna realize you're wasting your time, giving the person behind you enough time to find the coffer they need.

I'm guessing the reason it depops and respawns after getting an illusion is so people in other locations of the zone have a chance at it rather than everyone hording it in one specific location. Also, it's good that it repops quickly and still keeps it's time restriction for those who recently opened it for treasure so that people who actually need it (AF, maps) can get it and get out. Everyone else has to wait their turn since treasure is minimal priority.

Having watched LS members spend entire days running around trying to get their AF from a coffer while some 75 THF flee's around the zone picking them over and over, I think SE did a wonderful job with the coffer changes. I support the decision to give people getting their AF priority 100%, since gil can be made MANY ways, but AF pieces can only be gotten by opening coffers most of the time. If you've never had to deal with that, then you've been very lucky.

I mean, think about it, these people are prolly in their 50's, running around angry mobs with sneak and invis up, they just want their coffer so they can get the hell out of there and move on. I know some people were nice and gave up a spawn for the AF peeps, but that seemed like the exception to the rule in what I've seen/been told by ls members.

So yeah, I don't say it too often, but great job SE.

Makes sense, but still think it shouldn't disapear.

Yea, it's frustrating, and it probably would have been easier if they just added a separate set of coffers called 'Armor Coffer' that could only be opened by someone on an AF quest...but they didn't, so what can you do lol.



It's a little easier because it'll be a very short time until it's up again. I've done a lot of AF coffer sets for myself and helped numerous other people and there's been plenty of times where we ran around and checked every spot for well over an hour, sometimes 2...meaning we prolly just missed it somewhere and it was grabbed 3 or 4 times since we started looking. With the new system they put in (not the best they could have done) the people just looking for gil or items could still grab it 3 or 4 times in that 2 hour span, the only difference is that there will almost always be a coffer around for the people who 'actually need' them for AF, quest, or the map.



So that people needing AF, quest item, or the Map have a higher chance of finding the coffer?



Yea, it probably did, but they usually always frustrate someone lol. They did their best (which wasn't very good) to stop the coffer farmers/Gilsellers from frustrating the ones that actually need the coffer. If you're just getting the coffer for gil or items I'd say that's more 'want' than it is 'need'

I think something that would help is if when you got the 'illusion' message it would also tell you how much time is left until you're able to open it for gil ot items...something like 'You suspect the coffer will be ready to open in about 17 minutes.' Either that or my first idea with the Armor Coffers lol.

That logic is just *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. If this is how SE seriously intended to change the face of coffer hunting, then we should all just quit now because it will only get dumber.

To pose a hypothetical situation:

Part of the reasoning behind the coffer update was an attempt to give all players a fair chance at the coffers, and to cut down on coffer monopolization.

One of the biggest complaints I hear in game is that of HNM monopolization. This, as I'm sure everyone can attest to, is a much larger issue amongst the player community than simple coffer spawns. On my server, it seems that anything worth claiming generally tends to spawn already purple, so most linkshells dont even get a chance at HNMs.

So what do you think the player response would be if SE decided to make the ground HNM scene more "fair" for all players in Vana'diel? What would happen if they implemented a system that only allowed you (or any party you were in) to claim certain HNMs only once a week? Or once per month? Or maybe have it auto-despawn if you claimed it before your wait timer was up?

"The Fafnir was an illusion!"

Yeah right dude, you'd have the entire player's community flipping out over that ***. BG's servers would crash with how large that *** thread would be.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

PS: I love the idea of "Armor Coffers" or an estimated reopen time message.

Isn't it easier to have THF75 kill the mob for key drop then open with the key. I just opened coffer for my SAM AF few minutes and it's super easy for me to find coffer.

OMG I hate this. Not to sure why it's happen to me. It's been like a month since I've opened a chest but ALL mine are always Illusions. ; ;

Me and my friend think we figured this out. We literally live in Kuftal farming Angel Skins some evenings and we always make it a habit to open coffers as often as possible.

Whenever we've popped a coffer and gone back five minutes later we get the "Illusion" message. Half hour later and we get the same message. One time we got the message an hour later as well.

So we concluded that it's party based and not player based. Seems to fit in nicely, and makes a lot of sense why we constantly get fatigued, despite personally having not opened a chest for hours.

So we thought we'd try something. He disbanded party and went ahead and popped the coffer. I went five minutes later and tried popping the coffer myself. I couldn't pop it, I got the illusion message again twenty minutes later.

So our conclusion? Every thirty minutes the coffer becomes a "Real" coffer so that anyone can open it. After somebody not after a map or artifact item opens the coffer, the coffer is only openable by those hunting these items.

For thirty minutes, which was the old respawn time of coffers, only people hunting maps and drops can open them. This stops people opening coffers with money making in mind only from monopolising coffers. This also doesn't change those farming money too much, because if they hadn't changed anything, the coffer wouldn't have been there in the first place every five minutes.

I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a bad system. The real coffer isn't spawning more or less often than it did before, since you can still open them every thirty minutes. Like before as well, it's thirty minutes globally, not per person or party. This would explain why some people can get the illusion message even though they haven't opened a coffer for hours.

Excellent change, if you ask me. Keeps money making through coffers balanced and the same as before, but gives those who would otherwise frustratingly search for hours the chance to open their coffers right away.

No more running around Castle Zvahl for four hours because RMT's keep opening for Ballad II!

But coffer's don't compare to HNM's. HNM's are entirely optional, someone trying to get their AF isn't, at least not really. Someone lining their own pockets, fleeing from spawn point to spawn point picking chests, screws over the people that are just trying to get their AF and get out of there. In a perfect world, the coffer farmers would have "policed" themselves and given the AF seekers a chance to get their ONE coffer and leave, and I'm sure if that type of courtesy would have been more widespread, people wouldn't have complained and SE wouldn't have changed coffer behavior. Because some people wanted to be greedy *** and lol as the lowbies struggle to beat them to spawns, whilst worrying about sneak/invis and aggro, well, SE changed it. And it's not like you still CAN'T farm coffers anymore, they just made it more difficult unless you NEED IT. You're still making money either way, just not as much...if anything, with the hassles of opening Coffers now, I would think that it would actually decrease the supply of Coffer items on the AH and hence increase the price of them, but as I'm not a coffer hunter I don't know if that's true or not, but it seems logical.

couldn't they have just made the old "coffer" AF into mini-quests?

"Go get me a ??? coffer key."
Then trade it for AF?

Just a thought

If the coffer/chest wasn't originally suppose to be there in the first place then i think it was an excellent update.

I say we vote Astral rings back into Coffers. Kgo~ haha

Coffers can compare to HNMs in the most basic sense is that they're both on timed spawns, and are (were) available on a first come, first serve basis.

And I would think from the technicality of it, questing a job's Artifact Armor is optional as well, considering the game doesnt stop you from leveling if you havent quested it. I had BLM all the way to 75 before I decided to quest a single piece of AF. No one is required to have a job's AF, so therefore obtaining a coffer is by all intents and purposes, optional.

OMFG, Please don't bring back the horrible memories of Oztroja. I spent almost 2 weeks trying to get my AF body as RDM back when RMT and other people would bot coffers for astrals. The utter instant it popped in front of them it'd be opened via thief tools. Others would just run left and right to pick it up whenever it was around. I managed to get lucky and beat someone to the punch for my AF, but I was often subject to MPK attempts in the process ><

True, AF is optional, but you have to admit that most people get it at the appropriate level, and it's pretty much a prerequisite unless you A)have some uber piece of gear that's better, or B)wanna be gimp and laughed out of parties.

Do you really think it's fair that a 75 THF can run around and pick them over and over while a 50 something is sneaking and invising around ***that will 2 shot them to try and get ONE?

I'm all for competition if it's fair, but when it's horribly skewed then something has to be done, and SE did something about it. Like I said, if most coffer farmers would have given up that one coffer so that guy going for his AF could get it and move on with his day, then there wouldn't have been any changes. But because people just couldn't bring themselves to do that SE changed it. Things may have been great in all of your experiences, but like I said, I watched somebody run around for hours on end trying and getting laughed at by said farmers, so *** that. Unfortunately you have to find a new way to make money.

Coffers don't even have that much good loot anymore. If anything it's to get a random handful of gil every time you get a key or stumble across one. I enjoy the update for it's consideration to those who have more important reasons to open them yet giving open opportunity for everyone.

Yes.

Stop crying. LOLDISREGARDTHATISUCKCOCKS

I had friends that did that as 50 thf.

If I recall, I wasn't the one crying about coffers being illusions in the first place...