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Horrible act of animal cruelty.
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 14:02:58
Fairy.Spence said: Just wait til Aliens come and start using us a food source! I think a lot of you will change your tune about eating animals being cruel pretty quick! Too late!
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 14:03:10
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
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By Bismarck.Pyrofrost 2010-08-29 14:04:06
I agree with the last few posts, there needs to be more real information before people decide to go on justice crusades.
Of course, this would not be the first time animal rights activists have been guilty of twisting the truth if that is the case. They are on my list of most hated special interest groups to be honest. Like all special interest groups they use lies, half truths, and exaggeration to achieve their goals because these groups are agenda driven.
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By Siren.Maximillion 2010-08-29 14:05:50
I like the part how the man ran after the dog and shot him in the back (???) There must be more to this, I doubt some guy would just randomly shoot the ***outta' dogs.
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By Bismarck.Luces 2010-08-29 14:05:53
Bismarck.Magnumatic said: Siren.Enternius said: Trying to justify eating meat as the source of all bad things in this world is just not going to end well for you. Whether or not you want to admit it, plants are living things too and they're killed to give you your salads. And how does that make you better than anyone else? You're right. It doesn't.
Cutting the grass Vs. Cutting an Animals head off.
Nuff Said.
It is all animal cruelty, no matter what reason you have for being cruel to that animal.
If you kill a human being for food, is that not murder?
Actually if you are in a survival situation where the only food source you have is someone in the group it all depends on how good your lawyer is.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:07:06
Siren.Enternius said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
No pain is an electrical impulse sent to a brain which causes a "feeling".
Your view of pain is just having something amputated or cut off. Blade of grass doesn't feel pain. When it's cut, it just continues growth. The grass doesn't sit there and say ouch ouch ouch over and over again without being able to do anything.
Same thing with other types of higher level life forms like humans. If an arm gets cut off, it continues to grow (in some way). But we feel the pain because a signal is sent to our brains via our neural system. If you decapitate someone and crushed the head, then cut their arm off, the arm would heal or attempt to grow for a few minutes. No pain because there's no brain to process those signals.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-29 14:08:10
Siren.Maximillion said: I like the part how the man ran after the dog and shot him in the back (???) There must be more to this, I doubt some guy would just randomly shoot the ***outta' dogs.
There are people who are just plain cruel and will hurt other living things out of maliciousness. Whether or not this is the case this time, I don't know.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 14:08:50
Well pain is the incorrect word for the situation, but you at least understand my point. On a sub-atomic level, everything can receive pain.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:09:13
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:10:03
Siren.Enternius said: Well pain is the incorrect word for the situation, but you at least understand my point. On a sub-atomic level, everything can receive pain.
On the quantum level nothing receives anything. They're just particles floating around randomly.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-29 14:10:07
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Siren.Enternius said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
No pain is an electrical impulse sent to a brain which causes a "feeling".
Your view of pain is just having something amputated or cut off. Blade of grass doesn't feel pain. When it's cut, it just continues growth. The grass doesn't sit there and say ouch ouch ouch over and over again without being able to do anything.
Same thing with other types of higher level life forms like humans. If an arm gets cut off, it continues to grow (in some way). But we feel the pain because a signal is sent to our brains via our neural system. If you decapitate someone and crushed the head, then cut their arm off, the arm would heal or attempt to grow for a few minutes. No pain because there's no brain to process those signals.
Though there is no brain to process the signals sent, the signals remain regardless. Plants have motivated functions to grow, much like the 4th grade project when you grew two plants in a pot and left one out for open sunlight and wrapped the other with aluminum foil, leaving it in darkness.
If you remember the one left in darkness actually grew significantly longer albeit less healthy in a brazen effort to obtain sunlight as quickly as it could before it lost all strength from lack of nutrients via photosynthesis.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2010-08-29 14:11:13
It made me go "What the ***."
So I signed it. :3
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:11:53
I think it's ironic we call people like that tree huggers when they're the ones that selectively choose to and brutally murder plants and other organisms and eat them happily with pride.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:13:11
Fenrir.Tool said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Siren.Enternius said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
No pain is an electrical impulse sent to a brain which causes a "feeling".
Your view of pain is just having something amputated or cut off. Blade of grass doesn't feel pain. When it's cut, it just continues growth. The grass doesn't sit there and say ouch ouch ouch over and over again without being able to do anything.
Same thing with other types of higher level life forms like humans. If an arm gets cut off, it continues to grow (in some way). But we feel the pain because a signal is sent to our brains via our neural system. If you decapitate someone and crushed the head, then cut their arm off, the arm would heal or attempt to grow for a few minutes. No pain because there's no brain to process those signals.
Though there is no brain to process the signals sent, the signals remain regardless. Plants have motivated functions to grow, much like the 4th grade project when you grew two plants in a pot and left one out for open sunlight and wrapped the other with aluminum foil, leaving it in darkness.
If you remember the one left in darkness actually grew significantly longer albeit less healthy in a brazen effort to obtain sunlight as quickly as it could before it lost all strength from lack of nutrients via photosynthesis.
That motivated function to grow isn't called pain.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:14:37
Asura.Bartimaeus said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: I think it's ironic we call people like that tree huggers when they're the ones that selectively choose to and brutally murder plants and other organisms and eat them happily with pride.
Kinda like knowing that PETA helps put down more pets "humanely" than anyone else? :b
Should have fed them to starving kids. But PETA doesn't care about the lives of starving kids.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-29 14:14:42
We have the teeth of an omnivore. If you're having to use supplements to make up for the lack of meat and dairy products, then there is something seriously wrong with your diet.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-29 14:14:48
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Fenrir.Tool said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Siren.Enternius said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
No pain is an electrical impulse sent to a brain which causes a "feeling".
Your view of pain is just having something amputated or cut off. Blade of grass doesn't feel pain. When it's cut, it just continues growth. The grass doesn't sit there and say ouch ouch ouch over and over again without being able to do anything.
Same thing with other types of higher level life forms like humans. If an arm gets cut off, it continues to grow (in some way). But we feel the pain because a signal is sent to our brains via our neural system. If you decapitate someone and crushed the head, then cut their arm off, the arm would heal or attempt to grow for a few minutes. No pain because there's no brain to process those signals.
Though there is no brain to process the signals sent, the signals remain regardless. Plants have motivated functions to grow, much like the 4th grade project when you grew two plants in a pot and left one out for open sunlight and wrapped the other with aluminum foil, leaving it in darkness.
If you remember the one left in darkness actually grew significantly longer albeit less healthy in a brazen effort to obtain sunlight as quickly as it could before it lost all strength from lack of nutrients via photosynthesis.
That motivated function to grow isn't called pain.
Just because there's no organ to process it, doesn't mean the signals aren't sent. But I wasn't really specifically speaking about pain, but rather living objects having motivation and reactions made to survive, even in plants.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 14:14:56
I think you should all go hug a ***' cat and stop arguing.
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By Ifrit.Airius 2010-08-29 14:15:29
What i find is ironic is many vegans I know of are atheist. It's okay for them to impose their views onto others but when people talk about religion..
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-29 14:16:36
Ifrit.Airius said: What i find is ironic is many vegans I know of are atheist. It's okay for them to impose their views onto others but when people talk about religion..
I agree completely. It's a double standard.
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By Siren.Maximillion 2010-08-29 14:16:58
Asura.Bluespoons said: I think you should all go hug a ***' cat and stop arguing.
Or study Buddhism, there's so much unwanted hate and arrogance in here, it's not even funny. But then again, that's everywhere.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 14:17:50
Siren.Maximillion said: Asura.Bluespoons said: I think you should all go hug a ***' cat and stop arguing. Or study Buddhism, there's so much unwanted hate and arrogance in here, it's not even funny. But then again, that's everywhere.
Cats are more fun!
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By Siren.Maximillion 2010-08-29 14:18:14
Ifrit.Airius said: What i find is ironic is many vegans I know of are atheist. It's okay for them to impose their views onto others but when people talk about religion..
There's this awesome saying about religion. Treat religion like your ***, keep it to yourself and don't shove it down people's throat..except for Princemercury, he's into that.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-29 14:18:21
Asura.Bluespoons said: Siren.Maximillion said: Asura.Bluespoons said: I think you should all go hug a ***' cat and stop arguing. Or study Buddhism, there's so much unwanted hate and arrogance in here, it's not even funny. But then again, that's everywhere.
Cats are more fun!
You crazy! Cats are dumb!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-29 14:19:19
Siren.Maximillion said: Ifrit.Airius said: What i find is ironic is many vegans I know of are atheist. It's okay for them to impose their views onto others but when people talk about religion..
There's this awesome saying about religion. Treat religion like your ***, keep it to yourself and don't shove it down people's throat..except for Princemercury, he's into that.
The same can go for views on religion, rather than religion itself. The lack of a religion doesn't give you the right to impose your views onto others about the subject.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 14:21:06
Fairy.Spence said: Asura.Bluespoons said: Siren.Maximillion said: Asura.Bluespoons said: I think you should all go hug a ***' cat and stop arguing. Or study Buddhism, there's so much unwanted hate and arrogance in here, it's not even funny. But then again, that's everywhere. Cats are more fun! You crazy! Cats are dumb!
You're dumb!! *cries*
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:22:35
Fenrir.Tool said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Fenrir.Tool said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: Siren.Enternius said: Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah. Is that not what pain is?
Someone saying "Ow!" isn't pain. That's a reaction to pain.
No pain is an electrical impulse sent to a brain which causes a "feeling".
Your view of pain is just having something amputated or cut off. Blade of grass doesn't feel pain. When it's cut, it just continues growth. The grass doesn't sit there and say ouch ouch ouch over and over again without being able to do anything.
Same thing with other types of higher level life forms like humans. If an arm gets cut off, it continues to grow (in some way). But we feel the pain because a signal is sent to our brains via our neural system. If you decapitate someone and crushed the head, then cut their arm off, the arm would heal or attempt to grow for a few minutes. No pain because there's no brain to process those signals.
Though there is no brain to process the signals sent, the signals remain regardless. Plants have motivated functions to grow, much like the 4th grade project when you grew two plants in a pot and left one out for open sunlight and wrapped the other with aluminum foil, leaving it in darkness.
If you remember the one left in darkness actually grew significantly longer albeit less healthy in a brazen effort to obtain sunlight as quickly as it could before it lost all strength from lack of nutrients via photosynthesis.
That motivated function to grow isn't called pain.
Just because there's no organ to process it, doesn't mean the signals aren't sent. But I wasn't really specifically speaking about pain, but rather living objects having motivation and reactions made to survive, even in plants.
No organ to process it because pain is created by that organ. But referring to grass and other plants they don't feel pain or send impulses of pain regardless. Unless you count every single cell bounded by a cell wall in a planet a living creature able to network pain to a particular location, which it isn't, even then they don't send a signal to a "root" where nothing can be done about it. Even if you took all the carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere, the plant would simply grow to fit an environment as such. It won't be green, just brown. Same thing if you took all the sunlight away, the plant would just sit there not knowing what to do with all the carbon. It doesn't say, ow damnit, signal signal signal, it just continues to grow. There's no neural system to send the signals anywhere.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-29 14:23:28
Oh, grass can feel pain. We better watch out!!
If you haven't seen the movie, The grass, trees, plants, etc, cause the people to kill themselves.
Link: http://www.change.org/petitions/view/justice_for_epic_and_samson
I personally knew these dogs, they belonged to my sister's best friend. They got out on accident, but were never any harm. In the article is clearly states he was advised not to leave his home.
Please, if you are a dog lover, sign this to help bring justice to these 2. It takes 2 mins to enter your information.
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