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Horrible act of animal cruelty.
Asura.Poupee
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-08-29 13:48:10
geeze we had a strange dog outside with no signs of rabies or anything else, and my sisters friend went up to it and was petting it. =_=
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-08-29 13:48:28
Siren.Enternius said: It's not animal cruelty if it's done for food. Grow up.
So if you brutally butcher an animal for food, but then never actually eat it..
What is that?
As long as the animal knows he is going to be eaten, he doesn't feel pain?
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By Ifrit.Airius 2010-08-29 13:49:49
Asura.Bluespoons said: Just because they were kept in the house doesn't mean they were because they were mean dogs. We keep our dog in the house just because some people are scared of dogs, and you never know what ppl are going to do (as shown by the guy that shot these dogs). THere are a lot of ppl around us that let their dogs run around, and we don't know that those dogs won't hurt ours. Those kinds of dogs are expensive, I'd keep them in the house too. I agree completely with your point. This is a biased article and we don't know anything about these dogs or the entire situation. Condemning someone to jail BEFORE knowing all the facts would be just plain reckless of us.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 13:50:47
Trying to justify eating meat as the source of all bad things in this world is just not going to end well for you.
Whether or not you want to admit it, plants are living things too and they're killed to give you your salads. And how does that make you better than anyone else?
You're right. It doesn't.
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Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 13:50:49
OP said: Epic and Samson, two Great Danes, were shot to death in an Ocala neighborhood by a man armed with a Glock 9mm handgun. Told to stay in the house by 911 and by a neighbor, the shooter steps into the street and fires three shots, despite the fact that witnesses state that the dogs were tired, hot, and merely loping towards him. The dogs did not increase their speed as they approached. They were not growling, snarling or showing teeth. "They were wagging their tails" "Before they ever got to him, he began firing." He did not fire a warning shot. The witnesses state that after he shot the first dog in the face, the second dog turned and began to run away; the shooter followed the dog and shot in in the back and neck, killing Epic. Samson expired later at the vet.
Just read that a few times. A bit biased don't you think?
Absolutely no background info besides "they were let out by accident".
Big huge *** dogs or not, if they were Quote: hot, and merely loping towards him. The dogs did not increase their speed as they approached. They were not growling, snarling or showing teeth. "They were wagging their tails there was no reason anyone would have called 911 or grab a handgun, run outside in front one of the dogs and shoot it in the face.
Or you know.. the dog could have been on his property? And he had something to protect like the situation I pointed out above.
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-08-29 13:51:44
Ifrit.Airius said: It's still animal cruelty. Slavery has been done for thousands of years.. Does that make slavery right? Edit: Taking out Ronald McDonald would be a great start to getting rid of animal cruelty xP It's a harsh reality we live in. Certain animals must die for others to survive. blah blah blah circle of life. Comparing killing for survival to slavery is a bit exaggerated and kind of a cop out argument. I guess my main point is i value human life over animals when it comes down to choosing one or the other. [/quote]
I wasn't comparing it slavery. I was showing you how your argument was completey stupid.
Your argument was:
"It's been done for thousands of years so it must be right."
Just because something has been done for thousands of years, doesn't make it right.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 13:52:52
So, if you brutally butcher a plant for food, but then never actually eat it..
What is that?
As long as the plant knows it is going to be eaten, it doesn't feel pain?
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 13:53:30
Just because people have been saying "Killing animals for food is animal cruelty" for thousands of years, doesn't make it right.
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 13:54:07
The only way to remedy this situation is for all of us to stop eating. If you eat any kind of food, no matter how small, something was killed to create it.
So now we all have to starve, eventually die, and then there would be no more animal cruelty! See, it's easy!
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By Bismarck.Luces 2010-08-29 13:54:24
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury said: If this guy was mentally unstable, then okay he deserves to be prosecuted assuming the dogs "were not doing anything wrong". But the fact he called 911 shows he has some level of restraint and intelligence.
If 2 dogs were running around my neighborhood and assuming they were unruly to the point where neighbors started havoc on placing an emphasis on safety where 911 calls had to be made, I don't care who's dog it is. If I have to protect my kids or others from getting harmed and 3 shotgun blasts was the solution to the problem during the heat of the moment, I would go with it any day.
The guy was being told by 911 and a neighbor to stay inside, to me that means these dogs specifically had done something to him before or he has a past traumatic experience with great danes as I did. If a dog is friendly I have no problem with it if a dog runs toward me barking aggressively and showing teeth for no reason and gets within reach of my hands I'm snapping its neck. I'm sorry but it was a dog we thought we knew and trusted in reality I was the second kid the dog had attacked and our "friends" who where the owners never told us or anyone about the first attack either.
Point is their is a lot to this story being left out and I wont sign a petition to charge someone with a crime only given one persons side of what happened.
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-08-29 13:54:52
Hell, we need plants for oxygen. Chicken doesn't give me oxygen. IT HAS NO USE FOR ME EXCEPT SITTIN' IN MAH TUMMY
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 13:55:13
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: There's a difference between killing animals for food and shooting 2 dogs like that... dude should get a charge like killing a human tbh. No one's trying to say the guy in the OP was doing the right thing.
Then again, dogs are most likely to attack when they're tired, worn out, and generally weak. It doesn't mention the whole story but it does say that much.
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 13:56:14
Siren.Enternius said: The only way to remedy this situation is for all of us to stop eating. If you eat any kind of food, no matter how small, something was killed to create it.
So now we all have to starve, eventually die, and then there would be no more animal cruelty! See, it's easy!
We should all stop breathing too, poor oxygen and nitrogen particles being slaughtered.
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-08-29 13:56:44
Siren.Enternius said: Trying to justify eating meat as the source of all bad things in this world is just not going to end well for you. Whether or not you want to admit it, plants are living things too and they're killed to give you your salads. And how does that make you better than anyone else? You're right. It doesn't.
Cutting the grass Vs. Cutting an Animals head off.
Nuff Said.
It is all animal cruelty, no matter what reason you have for being cruel to that animal.
If you kill a human being for food, is that not murder?
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 13:57:38
Doesn't (carnivorous) pets eat meat too? Should we tell them the bad news?
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By Ifrit.Airius 2010-08-29 13:57:44
Bismarck.Magnumatic said: I wasn't comparing it slavery. I was showing you how your argument was completey stupid.
Your argument was:
"It's been done for thousands of years FOR SURVIVAL so it must be right."
Just because something has been done for thousands of years, doesn't make it right.
FTFY. your arguments are lacking full context just like this article.
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 13:57:55
Grass is a living organism as well.
Just because "higher evolved" animals have pain receptors as part of their defense systems doesn't mean it's completely wrong or right if they don't.
Caitsith.Linear
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 13:58:49
I can't speak from experience, but I imagine being cut in half and having to regrow that ***and reliving it every week would hurt a LOT more than dieing nigh-instantly. But that's just me.
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By Fairy.Spence 2010-08-29 13:58:59
Just wait til Aliens come and start using us a food source! I think a lot of you will change your tune about eating animals being cruel pretty quick!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 13:59:31
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By Siren.Enternius 2010-08-29 13:59:54
Everything feels pain, whether it's living or non-living. It just portrays it differently. That's irrelevant.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:02:13
If your definition of pain is being altered in some way physically, then yeah.
Ifrit.Airius
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By Ifrit.Airius 2010-08-29 14:02:31
Bismarck.Magnumatic said: Siren.Enternius said: Trying to justify eating meat as the source of all bad things in this world is just not going to end well for you. Whether or not you want to admit it, plants are living things too and they're killed to give you your salads. And how does that make you better than anyone else? You're right. It doesn't.
Cutting the grass Vs. Cutting an Animals head off.
Nuff Said.
It is all animal cruelty, no matter what reason you have for being cruel to that animal.
If you kill a human being for food, is that not murder?
Cutting an animals head off Vs. cutting a human's head off
Nuff said.
Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-08-29 14:02:33
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Fairy.Spence said: Just wait til Aliens come and start using us a food source! I think a lot of you will change your tune about eating animals being cruel pretty quick! I still got my 3000 feet steel enclosed safe for something like that.
Hope it's lead.
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By Fenrir.Tool 2010-08-29 14:02:37
Trees are as much a living thing as humans are. They may not be able to build skyscrapers or make Shakespeare, but they live, breathe, grow and serve a purpose just like any other living object.
Only difference really is that we put ourselves above everything else. So if you're going to truly believe we're on the same level as cats/dogs, etc. you can't make exceptions to other things simply because they're not mammals.
Link: http://www.change.org/petitions/view/justice_for_epic_and_samson
I personally knew these dogs, they belonged to my sister's best friend. They got out on accident, but were never any harm. In the article is clearly states he was advised not to leave his home.
Please, if you are a dog lover, sign this to help bring justice to these 2. It takes 2 mins to enter your information.
Thank you for the support.
Krispey - Unicorn
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