Horrible Act Of Animal Cruelty.

You're ticked off because people shouldn't be so upset over an animal. You think they should be angry that there are people out their suffering. And your argument is that people do douchebag things.

I didn't say ignore, I just find it disturbing how we put so much energy and effort on something's while may be of some importance should not be priority. In other words, we are *** backwards on a lot of real topics and are placated with trivial nonsense when compared with the big picture. Don't get me wrong, I love animals but when faced with facts like america is 4th worst in infant(humans) mortality out of the 30 richest countries in the world or how child poverty is over 20%, double the average of the rich counties, things like this is remains trivial in my mind. But that’s just me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon
2012 is coming soon anyways so who cares.

Ticked off?? No, I am just voicing my opinion on how backwards our priorities are. People like you get so upset when you see stuff like this, when this goes on in a much larger scale everyday. Not saying you, but most people just sit and say how wrong it is and never do anything else besides complain.

They're your priorities, or what you think people's priorities should be, keep that in mind.

And I don't pretend to know how all my food is prepared. I refuse to eat veal for example, and while I know the chicken farms and what not are just as bad or worse, I still eat chicken and beef. I don't like it, so yes, I'm a hypocrite.

I just have little to no inclination to help people, I'd rather put any charitable efforts towards animals. That may make me a bad person in your eyes, but I won't lose any sleep over it.

lol Sorry miss sensitive. Why don't you create a topic then make sure people only say what you like or approve of. That way you all can pat yourselves on the back for agreeing with each other and don't have to deal with people that have different perspectives that may hurt your feelings. lol

Hey, if your a hypocrite and can admit it, I respect that. If you choose to live your life by your standards, as warped and inconsistent as that may be, ok, that's you. I see that a lot. I am going to go out on a limb here and put myself on the in a position where I am an *** for ASSuming, but if you or someone you cared about like a child or family member was hit by a car walking a dog and people rushed over and helped the dog, something tells me you would have a problem with that because you just MIGHT THINK there is a priority issue there. But then again you already admitted in being a hypocrite so it shouldn't surprise me what your answer would be lol

I don't really like hypotheticals, there are too many what ifs, and when it comes down to it, I have no idea what I'd do.

That is fair. I can understand that. You never really know what you will do until you are in that situation. I mean you can have a general idea. At least I do. That's why I said I was assuming but let's be real, there are things you would think would be done by order of importance. Are you willing to go as far to say because it's a hypothetical, that if a child with a scraped bleeding knee next to a child with a gun shot wound, you wouldn't know who you would help first? I guess I better hope you are not the first person to arrive for me or anyone else for that matter in a situation like a car accident or gun shot wound lol.

Two children I don't know?

If the kid with the scraped bleeding knee had haemophilia and the kid with a gun shot wound had a through and through I'd help the kid with haemophilia first.

Situations change.

this x like 100

This is not directly related to your whole animal point but I've had family members who have been hit by cars and who helped them? Not a damn person...

In regards to how you are hung up on why Spence is a hypocrite...everyone is a damn hypocrite, even you bigguy.
Or do you have the same opinions you did since childhood?
If you do I'd suspect you'd have some developmental issues.

Yes, things change when more information is introduced. But my example was general. It the conditions my example explains is very simple. I can easily add on more information to what you said to switch it around once again. Stop playing word games lol

Suuuure and every car accident has at least 1 dog present right :P
you don't have to take this post seriously.
but you can take my sarcasm in this post seriously.

Sorry to hear that nobody helped your family members. I would have if I were around. My sister was hit by a car and there were many people who came to help. But personal history and experience aside, if your family member had a pet and people did come and helped the pet instead, you would still be faced with similar emotions about nobody helping them. Your angle about opinions I may have had when I was a child is rather silly. You are really reaching with that one. But to address it even if I do find it silly, there is a difference in growing up and changing your mind to things you once felt and or believe. We all have our bouts of naivety as we grow. We are all human and have our double standards and yes I would agree we are all hypocrites on one thing or another. I never claim to be perfect, and I did not label him a hypocrite for this convo, that is something he did himself. I just merely used what he himself stated.

I dunno.
I'd be curious as to how they got hit by the car, the matter of urgency is a bit of a non-point in my opinion because for all you know EMTs are there in 5 minutes.
I wouldn't want some random *** with my family member when an EMT is on the way as simple as that. There are just way too many variables in this hypothetical to make it effective. If it was my familys pet? I'd say in all honesty I'd be overwhelmed with it all and I would probably be going after the person who hit them, and if they were not at fault I would be pissed at my family member.
But that's too many complicated emotions for a hypothetical.

Maybe you can think of a better one to use rather than a situation such as this?

I don't take it seriously as in my life depends on it lol For all you know maybe it does. I could be on the verge of killing myself. It was an hypothetical example about priorities just like the knee and gun shot scenario. Key word being hypothetical of course lol. Another thing I find funny is instead of people being willing to say they are wrong, they go through ridiculous things to try to justify their narrow perspective. Seems a lot like politicians lol. It's a wonder we made it past the dark ages lol

Cool passive aggressive 'lols' bro.

This>>>Another thing I find funny is instead of people being willing to say they are wrong, they go through ridiculous things to try to justify their narrow perspective. Seems a lot like politicians lol. It's a wonder we made it past the dark ages lol

You trying to say something there?
I could say the same exact same thing about you in regards to defending your "hypothetical"

This isn't a real discussion anymore because you only seem to be throwing veiled insults.

You coming in to this thread and stating the obvious dont hurt my feelings.

"hurr durr QQ There's worse things happening in the world, how dare you guys care about some animals getting killed for no other reason than someone enjoy killing them!!!oneone!!"

You seem to be the one who is butthurt because not everyone's priorities goes along with yours.

If you see a kid getting run over by a car, will you just ignore it and walk on with your own business ecause there is worse things happening in the world? Because that is basically what you are saying, as long as there are worse things happening, we shouldn't care about the "small" cruelties.

So basically you just want to paint a situation and say hey this is the only situation that can take place! So base your decision off that. In reality, most situations aren't so cut and dry and do not conform to a set standard. Flion really wasn't playing word games, he was introducing a similar setting with different circumstances showing you what would make him act differently. The kicker is, some people who run into situations without giving things any thought, might be heroes sometimes, but most times make things worse. To me, If flions situation came to pass and you were the only one there to help that boy with the scratch probably would have died while you bandaged the one that wasn't in any harm (other than what i would imagine to be excrutiating pain).

The other issue I have with you linkk is that you seem to want to, as spence mentioned a bit earliar, put your on views and beliefs on to the rest of humanity. Fact is, we all have our own opinions on the way things should be but noone is perfect and noone has all the answers. I guess my question to you is what makes you think you can judge others and condemn their way of thinking telling them that your own thoughts on how things should be is the way they should think too? god forbid someone disagree with that, that would make the "***-backwards with their priorities". I don't know you so I can't say how you've lived your life or what you experienced but I would guess that you haven't really experienced that much tradgedy or given much thought to the fact that everyone is different and entitled to their own beliefs.

That said, I don't condone any act of violence against human or animal. It seems fairly pointless to me. As for animal cruelty it is quite the tricky concept in some ways. As a "civilized society" we come to form certain stigmas around certain things, events, people, animals and so on. Take for example the pets we domesticate eg. dogs, cats, horses, and well you get the idea. To mistreat them or eat them would be looked upon with disgust her in the states as our society, for the most part, looks to them as pets and even a part of the family. Now look at cows and chickens, we basically raise these to die or provide sustinance for us. Most of us never give thought to this or even are aware of just what goes on in the process to produce the food we pick up at the supermarket or the restaurant. I for one am a contributing factor to that stigma cuz well hey I don't see myself giving meat up any time soon. Also, you have to take into account the massive number of people in this world. We have to take the production of our food sources into our own hands so we will have enough to eat whether you like it or not.

As for human beings, its almost exactly the same. Kill a mother, upstanding citizen, child, family member, and other people that are sympathetic to the the public's eye and there is an uproar. Kill a rapist, a murderer, a thief, and other people that are generally distasetful to society and people barely bat an eye or even go as far to condone it or say such things as "it saved the taxpayers money". I was brought up to belive all life is sacred and that if there is any way to avoid it we should never take another life, human or animal. Don't get me wrong though I do believe people should be punished and detained so they can no longer harm others, just personally against killing if we it is possible not to. Human life, animal life and its importance is pretty much relayed through the eye of the beholder.

Some people do care about animal life more than human life and you know as long as their not going around killing humans is that really an issue? Some even think that some humans are too stupid to live and they should just be let to die or kill a billion people because their religion doesn't suit them. There is alot of tradgedy that takes place in our world and theres even more opinions on it. There is also alot of good, people who take the time to help even one person out woth a ride, some food, a job, or just thier time. Some people put aside their opinions and work to help those in need both humans and animals alike.

Some more food for thought as well. Some may disagree with activists and those moving for the rights of certain groups of people or animals, and I myself even disagree with some of their actions or the way they take the issue on. That said, without people sticking up for or fighting for these groups there would be alot more injustice and many more crimes commited against them.

Not everyone in this world is bad guys, and these acts aren't worth giving up on humanity. I hope, those of you who doubt us as a race, can look inside yourselves to see that there is a lot of good in this world. Unfortunately the good usually gets pushed out of the limelight and we seem to focus on the bad but the good is there, I personally see it every day and this is coming from someone who suffered a great personal loss at the hands of another.

Linkk, I would suggest that you take some time to think about the fact that your line of thought isn't the only correct way of thinking. It is only a suggestion and as you know you're free to think and believe what you like, just as everyone else is.

anyone seen linked this yet?

http://valleywag.gawker.com/5626105/4chan-on-the-hunt-for-puppy+throwing-girl

careful, def nsfw and will be burned into ur memory if u watch this fked up ***.

as the link says:

Warning: This is a graphic video! Seriously! Don't watch it if you don't think you can handle animal abuse.

yeah we had a big thread about it yesterday.
pretty sad stuff.

Not insults, the truth which people have a hard time with. How can I defend my hypothetical question? lol All it requires is an answer. But rather then answer it, people pick the cowards way out in order to avoid answering it. Give me a hypothetical question. Anyone one you like and I will show you how simple it is. if you want to elaborate afterwards and play around with different scenarios, we could do that too, but I will have the balls to answer the question first because I don't care about winning, I care about honesty and a lot of you are not being honest. When a person says they not sure what they would do or what they would want a person to do if they or a family member and a dog both gets hits by a car in a hypothetical question, there is a problem or they are lying.

Okay. I will give you my answer.
I don't know.
Jesus *** christ.
Just because you feel that question is legitimately answerable does not mean that others will agree.
I don't know what I would do in whatever situation you decide to make up this time, but perceiving that I am withholding my opinion just because "you are right" is just ***.

Life is not black and white.

Your reply is very narrow. Obviouly you help the person closest to you because you are in the position to directly effect the outcome. Order of importance. You clearly don't know what that means. Man, that was so lame but amusing. Thanks lol.

You are probably one of the most narrow minded people that I have ever conversed with Linkk.
But don't bother replying to this post only, or if you do...do it while you reply to my post I made just before.