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Horrible act of animal cruelty.
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By Fenrir.Shallow 2010-08-29 16:51:22
Carbuncle.Zanno said: meh, heading to bed.
Night from me and Max
If anyone shot him, I'd shoot them. :D Night!
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-08-29 16:51:36
Carbuncle.Zanno said: meh, heading to bed.
Night from me and Max
If anyone shot him, I'd shoot them. :D what kind of dogs are those? I always want one :x
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-08-29 16:52:47
Amstaff ^^
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By Asura.Alymorel 2010-08-29 16:53:12
Lynxblade said: think i figured it out! anyways, you say getting to roam in a free backyard? i would rather be free and get to roam w/e the *** i want too and risk being caught by a shelter, then have to be nudered, and held by humans all day, and only getting to play around in a small backyard >_> And not know where your next meal came from, be dirty and unkept during the next blizzard that came around, have a short life span from all kinds of diseases, and never get to play anyway, because you are too busy trying to survive.
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-08-29 16:53:13
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Amstaff ^^ there so cute ^^
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 16:54:05
Fenrir.Shallow said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Poupee said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Leyla said: definately signed. i hate ppl....
the OP should really have used the facebook page as even though it still lacks info and is slightly one sided it gives a more delted report of the events. The matter is being investigated by the proper authority's. The man should have been charged with and written a ticket for discharging a firearm within a neighbor hood. He would then have to prove why he did this in court. if the Animal department finds enough evidence to fully lay waist to the mans claim then they can charge him with animal cruelty. The petition is not really needed.
If he goes to trial for the discharge of firearm and he gets said nope you where wrong don't do it again and the animal unit does not follow up with a charge of animal cruelty then a petition would be merited. Unless I'm wrong and this would be considered double jeopardy but first time he is going to court for a ticket for discharge of firearm. Second time he is being charged with a crime so it shouldn't. First of all. No one should ever believe anything ever, even if it comes from CIA or FBI(well maybe should be believed) If it came from facebook, and you believe it. Maybe you should go back to school.
Fail logic is fail?
to say you don't believe a site that gives more information on what happened compared to a set that is worded purely to be emotional.
I was trying to find the county it was in to see any newspaper articles or police report on it. When I cam across the facebook page. The facebook page is the first half of the OP's link with an article published concerning the case. The article quoted the vet as to say the animals where to dehydrated to attack anyone let alone act aggressively. Do I believe that they could not act aggressively? no for the dogs to be that dehydrated they would have to be near death. All I said was the OP site lacked any kind of evidence outside of the guy shot them and even left information out of the account. Kind of think we should stick you in a fur coat and pants and blind fold you so you can truly be walking around aimlessly through a neighborhood in the sun and let ya dehydrate for a bit and let us see how calm that will make you. Hunger and dehydration can lead to (and mostly will) a weak state of fatigue. It doesn't take much for people to get hungry then get lazy to try and get something for themselves to eat. Lack of energy leaves ya calm and tired.. Why are the dogs hungry and dehydrated in the first place? (Not attacking you, just wondering since it could add up the pieces regarding the OP's story).
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 16:54:46
Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma.
think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_>
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-08-29 16:55:25
semimmortal said: Fenrir.Shallow said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Poupee said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Leyla said: definately signed. i hate ppl....
the OP should really have used the facebook page as even though it still lacks info and is slightly one sided it gives a more delted report of the events. The matter is being investigated by the proper authority's. The man should have been charged with and written a ticket for discharging a firearm within a neighbor hood. He would then have to prove why he did this in court. if the Animal department finds enough evidence to fully lay waist to the mans claim then they can charge him with animal cruelty. The petition is not really needed.
If he goes to trial for the discharge of firearm and he gets said nope you where wrong don't do it again and the animal unit does not follow up with a charge of animal cruelty then a petition would be merited. Unless I'm wrong and this would be considered double jeopardy but first time he is going to court for a ticket for discharge of firearm. Second time he is being charged with a crime so it shouldn't. First of all. No one should ever believe anything ever, even if it comes from CIA or FBI(well maybe should be believed) If it came from facebook, and you believe it. Maybe you should go back to school.
Fail logic is fail?
to say you don't believe a site that gives more information on what happened compared to a set that is worded purely to be emotional.
I was trying to find the county it was in to see any newspaper articles or police report on it. When I cam across the facebook page. The facebook page is the first half of the OP's link with an article published concerning the case. The article quoted the vet as to say the animals where to dehydrated to attack anyone let alone act aggressively. Do I believe that they could not act aggressively? no for the dogs to be that dehydrated they would have to be near death. All I said was the OP site lacked any kind of evidence outside of the guy shot them and even left information out of the account. Kind of think we should stick you in a fur coat and pants and blind fold you so you can truly be walking around aimlessly through a neighborhood in the sun and let ya dehydrate for a bit and let us see how calm that will make you. Hunger and dehydration can lead to (and mostly will) a weak state of fatigue. It doesn't take much for people to get hungry then get lazy to try and get something for themselves to eat. Lack of energy leaves ya calm and tired.. Why are the dogs hungry and dehydrated in the first place? (Not attacking you, just wondering since it could add up the pieces regarding the OP's story). probably they were left outside, maybe there water was gone, owners were somewhere besides home, and the day turned hotter then they planned it to be?
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 16:56:33
Lynxblade said: Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma. think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_>
Because that happens to every animal we eat, everywhere. Yeah it sucks, but still.
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 16:58:47
Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma. think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_> Because that happens to every animal we eat, everywhere. Yeah it sucks, but still. then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you?
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 17:00:21
Because we tend to become emotionally attached to pets, not eventual food.
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By Bismarck.Luces 2010-08-29 17:00:47
Fenrir.Shallow said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Poupee said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Leyla said: definately signed. i hate ppl....
the OP should really have used the facebook page as even though it still lacks info and is slightly one sided it gives a more delted report of the events. The matter is being investigated by the proper authority's. The man should have been charged with and written a ticket for discharging a firearm within a neighbor hood. He would then have to prove why he did this in court. if the Animal department finds enough evidence to fully lay waist to the mans claim then they can charge him with animal cruelty. The petition is not really needed.
If he goes to trial for the discharge of firearm and he gets said nope you where wrong don't do it again and the animal unit does not follow up with a charge of animal cruelty then a petition would be merited. Unless I'm wrong and this would be considered double jeopardy but first time he is going to court for a ticket for discharge of firearm. Second time he is being charged with a crime so it shouldn't. First of all. No one should ever believe anything ever, even if it comes from CIA or FBI(well maybe should be believed) If it came from facebook, and you believe it. Maybe you should go back to school.
Fail logic is fail?
to say you don't believe a site that gives more information on what happened compared to a set that is worded purely to be emotional.
I was trying to find the county it was in to see any newspaper articles or police report on it. When I cam across the facebook page. The facebook page is the first half of the OP's link with an article published concerning the case. The article quoted the vet as to say the animals where to dehydrated to attack anyone let alone act aggressively. Do I believe that they could not act aggressively? no for the dogs to be that dehydrated they would have to be near death. All I said was the OP site lacked any kind of evidence outside of the guy shot them and even left information out of the account. Kind of think we should stick you in a fur coat and pants and blind fold you so you can truly be walking around aimlessly through a neighborhood in the sun and let ya dehydrate for a bit and let us see how calm that will make you. Hunger and dehydration can lead to (and mostly will) a weak state of fatigue. It doesn't take much for people to get hungry then get lazy to try and get something for themselves to eat. Lack of energy leaves ya calm and tired..
I am an EMT, I live in Texas and go for walks in 110+ F I know what dehydration is like and what it does to you. I have treated plenty of people for it. I was simply stating that if the dogs where too dehydrated to be aggressive then they would have to be near death. This was more of a post on what kind of condition these dogs had to be in when the guy shot them and would be used as evidence against him in a court of law. You can be dehydrated and still be aggressive. I said nothing about dehydration or hunger making them more calm or tired, please do not twist my words. If its true that the dogs where at this point of dehydration then the guy really does deserve punishment.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 17:01:39
Lynxblade said: Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma. think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_> Because that happens to every animal we eat, everywhere. Yeah it sucks, but still. then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you?
It does bother me, I think it's disgusting. I never said it didn't or that it wasn't horrible, but it doesn't happen everywhere. And I'd *** someone up if they did something to my dog. He's amazing and has helped me through a lot.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-08-29 17:02:12
Lynxblade said: then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you?
because there is a MASSIVE difference between farming animals for food and shooting them in cold blood....
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 17:02:17
Asura.Poupee said: semimmortal said: Fenrir.Shallow said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Poupee said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Leyla said: definately signed. i hate ppl....
the OP should really have used the facebook page as even though it still lacks info and is slightly one sided it gives a more delted report of the events. The matter is being investigated by the proper authority's. The man should have been charged with and written a ticket for discharging a firearm within a neighbor hood. He would then have to prove why he did this in court. if the Animal department finds enough evidence to fully lay waist to the mans claim then they can charge him with animal cruelty. The petition is not really needed.
If he goes to trial for the discharge of firearm and he gets said nope you where wrong don't do it again and the animal unit does not follow up with a charge of animal cruelty then a petition would be merited. Unless I'm wrong and this would be considered double jeopardy but first time he is going to court for a ticket for discharge of firearm. Second time he is being charged with a crime so it shouldn't. First of all. No one should ever believe anything ever, even if it comes from CIA or FBI(well maybe should be believed) If it came from facebook, and you believe it. Maybe you should go back to school.
Fail logic is fail?
to say you don't believe a site that gives more information on what happened compared to a set that is worded purely to be emotional.
I was trying to find the county it was in to see any newspaper articles or police report on it. When I cam across the facebook page. The facebook page is the first half of the OP's link with an article published concerning the case. The article quoted the vet as to say the animals where to dehydrated to attack anyone let alone act aggressively. Do I believe that they could not act aggressively? no for the dogs to be that dehydrated they would have to be near death. All I said was the OP site lacked any kind of evidence outside of the guy shot them and even left information out of the account. Kind of think we should stick you in a fur coat and pants and blind fold you so you can truly be walking around aimlessly through a neighborhood in the sun and let ya dehydrate for a bit and let us see how calm that will make you. Hunger and dehydration can lead to (and mostly will) a weak state of fatigue. It doesn't take much for people to get hungry then get lazy to try and get something for themselves to eat. Lack of energy leaves ya calm and tired.. Why are the dogs hungry and dehydrated in the first place? (Not attacking you, just wondering since it could add up the pieces regarding the OP's story). probably they were left outside, maybe there water was gone, owners were somewhere besides home, and the day turned hotter then they planned it to be? Could be!
... Sorry, was trying to re-rail the thread back, guess that won't happen ><
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 17:02:34
Caitsith.Linear said: Because we tend to become emotionally attached to pets, not eventual food.
ok, so if the guy shot 2dogs that no one cared about , its ok? >_>
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 17:03:39
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Lynxblade said: then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? because there is a MASSIVE difference between farming animals for food and shooting them in cold blood....
Really?, tell me the difference >_>
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 17:06:06
Lynxblade said: Caitsith.Linear said: Because we tend to become emotionally attached to pets, not eventual food.
ok, so if the guy shot 2dogs that no one cared about , its ok? >_> There's a difference though. Killing for no reason besides wanting to do it is MUCH different than doing it out of necessity. We NEED to kill to eat. We don't eat, we die. There absolutely no need to shoot those dogs.
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 17:06:06
Lynxblade said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Lynxblade said: then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? because there is a MASSIVE difference between farming animals for food and shooting them in cold blood....
Really?, tell me the difference >_> One ends up under the soil, the other in our belly/fridge.
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 17:08:21
semimmortal said: Lynxblade said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Lynxblade said: then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? because there is a MASSIVE difference between farming animals for food and shooting them in cold blood....
Really?, tell me the difference >_> One ends up under the soil, the other in our belly/fridge. ***, not respectively of course! (based on Eikechi's quote)
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 17:08:26
semimmortal said: Lynxblade said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Lynxblade said: then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? because there is a MASSIVE difference between farming animals for food and shooting them in cold blood.... Really?, tell me the difference >_> One ends up under the soil, the other in our belly/fridge. lol
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-08-29 17:11:13
Really though...you don't see a difference in just blatently shooting a non-threat animal just for the sheer sake of killing it....and killing animals to be processed to feed a ***load of people? really....?
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By Bismarck.Luces 2010-08-29 17:11:41
Asura.Poupee said: semimmortal said: Fenrir.Shallow said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Poupee said: Bismarck.Luces said: Asura.Leyla said: definately signed. i hate ppl....
the OP should really have used the facebook page as even though it still lacks info and is slightly one sided it gives a more delted report of the events. The matter is being investigated by the proper authority's. The man should have been charged with and written a ticket for discharging a firearm within a neighbor hood. He would then have to prove why he did this in court. if the Animal department finds enough evidence to fully lay waist to the mans claim then they can charge him with animal cruelty. The petition is not really needed.
If he goes to trial for the discharge of firearm and he gets said nope you where wrong don't do it again and the animal unit does not follow up with a charge of animal cruelty then a petition would be merited. Unless I'm wrong and this would be considered double jeopardy but first time he is going to court for a ticket for discharge of firearm. Second time he is being charged with a crime so it shouldn't. First of all. No one should ever believe anything ever, even if it comes from CIA or FBI(well maybe should be believed) If it came from facebook, and you believe it. Maybe you should go back to school.
Fail logic is fail?
to say you don't believe a site that gives more information on what happened compared to a set that is worded purely to be emotional.
I was trying to find the county it was in to see any newspaper articles or police report on it. When I cam across the facebook page. The facebook page is the first half of the OP's link with an article published concerning the case. The article quoted the vet as to say the animals where to dehydrated to attack anyone let alone act aggressively. Do I believe that they could not act aggressively? no for the dogs to be that dehydrated they would have to be near death. All I said was the OP site lacked any kind of evidence outside of the guy shot them and even left information out of the account. Kind of think we should stick you in a fur coat and pants and blind fold you so you can truly be walking around aimlessly through a neighborhood in the sun and let ya dehydrate for a bit and let us see how calm that will make you. Hunger and dehydration can lead to (and mostly will) a weak state of fatigue. It doesn't take much for people to get hungry then get lazy to try and get something for themselves to eat. Lack of energy leaves ya calm and tired.. Why are the dogs hungry and dehydrated in the first place? (Not attacking you, just wondering since it could add up the pieces regarding the OP's story). probably they were left outside, maybe there water was gone, owners were somewhere besides home, and the day turned hotter then they planned it to be?
I think it sucks that 2 dogs who got loose and wandered around, for the amount of time it seems like they where roaming around for, and where unable to find any standing water. I want to know how long the wandered for I mean the story makes it sound like a big amount of time. Though normally animals will return home when they are in that bad of need of supplies. maybe they where just on their way home to get food and water? still begs the question to me of why no neighbors that saw the dogs knew the owners and tried to alert the owners or take care of the dogs until they got hom. Great danes kinda stand out yah know.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-08-29 17:11:42
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By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 17:11:49
Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma. think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_> Because that happens to every animal we eat, everywhere. Yeah it sucks, but still. then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? It does bother me, I think it's disgusting. I never said it didn't or that it wasn't horrible, but it doesn't happen everywhere. And I'd *** someone up if they did something to my dog. He's amazing and has helped me through a lot.
if it rly does bother you, then you would nvr eat meat ever.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 17:14:35
So killing plants is better than killing animals?
By semimmortal 2010-08-29 17:14:41
YES!!! Finally found it in my mess of a "Misc folder"...
Can finally go to bed~
By Lynxblade 2010-08-29 17:14:44
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Really though...you don't see a difference in just blatently shooting a non-threat animal just for the sheer sake of killing it....and killing animals to be processed to feed a ***load of people? really....?
Chickens are a non threataning animal...and we dont HAVE to eat chickens for food.
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By Caitsith.Linear 2010-08-29 17:15:57
Lynxblade said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: Really though...you don't see a difference in just blatently shooting a non-threat animal just for the sheer sake of killing it....and killing animals to be processed to feed a ***load of people? really....?
Chickens are a non threataning animal...and we dont HAVE to eat chickens for food. You've never gone into a chicken coop, have you? Those *** are vicious.
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By Asura.Bluespoons 2010-08-29 17:16:25
Lynxblade said: Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Bluespoons said: Lynxblade said: Asura.Alymorel said: Lynxblade said: someone teach me how to do that thing where i put other peoples quotes in gray so i can respond! anyways, alymorel, you say killin for food is dif then being cruel, so if the person that shot the dog, ate the dog right after, could he say i wasnt doing it cause im an ***, i was doing it cause im hungry!? There is a fun little quote button in the top right corner of posts. You forgot that the second is done a lot more humanely, though I did forget a part, also follows rules, regulations, and laws. You would still be an *** as he could have obtained meat in other ways that won't purposely cause emotional trauma. think i got it thanx, anyways, i work in a chicken plant, and ive seen first hand, how they treat the chickens, they have to stay in a crowded *** diesel with no food or water, till they get to the evisceration plant, then from there they get hanged by there feet, they get shocked in the brain, then they get there head cut off......... that doesnt sound brutal at all >_> Because that happens to every animal we eat, everywhere. Yeah it sucks, but still. then if knowing what they do to chickens dont bother you, why would killing a dog bother you? It does bother me, I think it's disgusting. I never said it didn't or that it wasn't horrible, but it doesn't happen everywhere. And I'd *** someone up if they did something to my dog. He's amazing and has helped me through a lot. if it rly does bother you, then you would nvr eat meat ever.
Who said I did eat meat? Even if I do eat it, how do you know where I get my meat? How do you know that the place I get it from is anything like the place you worked at?
Who are you to say what I believe means I should do this or that? You my momma? No, so shut up.
Link: http://www.change.org/petitions/view/justice_for_epic_and_samson
I personally knew these dogs, they belonged to my sister's best friend. They got out on accident, but were never any harm. In the article is clearly states he was advised not to leave his home.
Please, if you are a dog lover, sign this to help bring justice to these 2. It takes 2 mins to enter your information.
Thank you for the support.
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