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 Bahamut.Kujah
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By Bahamut.Kujah 2013-05-20 12:21:40
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Scrub! Whats ur name on NA? I want a nosey :p
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-20 12:23:18
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Slow bot game is slow!
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By Bahamut.Kujah 2013-05-20 12:23:44
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I think Senk is just scared!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-20 12:24:46
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N-not at a-all!
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-20 12:48:47
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Solrokr

And my smurf is FateOfTheSun that I will start using for people that aren't 30 yet.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-05-20 16:42:43
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Something about high sustain, a suppress, an AoE attack speed steroid, and a revealing chase mechanism doesn't seem to say: not great for jungle.

great for jungle

bad overall
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By Fenrir.Tsuji 2013-05-20 16:59:49
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Soulrocker how come I never see you online!

:<
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-20 17:01:36
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I'm on relatively often lol. I've also invited you to plenty of games but you never accept.

EDIT: RE Warwick: Regardless of him being a shitty champ or not, Riot has developed a game (despite popular whining) that is pretty well balanced. Yes, some champs are clearly better and some are clearly worse, but they actively monitor and modify the game. It is organic, and a champ that was OP one week can be dirt the next, or perhaps left with undiscovered potential. More, the variation between OP and UP isn't as large as people like to project. The game IS tightly woven, and these slight ebbs and flows of the games mechanics account for 0% of the fluctuation between players. A D-tier champ can ***all over S-tiers, and it all boils down to individual skill, play-style, and how well a champ's kit syncs up with a player's personality.
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By Fenrir.Tsuji 2013-05-20 17:22:17
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I must be afk when you invite me... I'll try be more around myself. We shall play together :>
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By Odin.Minefield 2013-05-20 17:23:37
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No Feral, still wrong D:<!!!
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-05-20 17:24:47
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But you know what just for fun let's analyze Warwick for what he is

For this I'm going to be splitting his pros and cons up in different categories just to organize everything

Jungle:
Pros: -High Sustain
-Incredible 1v1
-Suppression Post-6
Cons: -Extremely slow clear
-Terrible ganks pre-6

His Cons outweigh his pros in the jungle. The High sustain just doesn't mean anything in the jungle anymore, so being able to start with 3 pots (*** stupid to bring up. Never going to be considered a strength) or not needing smite (Worst idea ever, people who do it on any jungler are Morons, NO EXCEPTIONS) is not going to be weighed here. He has amazing 1v1, you need ignite to even try to fight him, meaning if you fight in the jungle you're going to win, unless it's more than a 1v1. He has the Suppression past level 6 but before that he's pretty much useless and needs to just farm the jungle, which I wouldn't say is that bad but he has terrible wave clear and isn't a carry jungler, so he can't hit level 6 super fast and he won't be a hypercarry late game unlike Hecarim.

Laning:
Pros: -Amazing Sustain
-Great 1v1
-Steroids
Cons:-Useless Move Speed Buff
-Lack of CC
-Low Kill Potential
-mana issues

His laning phase is decent due to all of the sustain that he has innately and that pretty much means you win every trade unless they are a ranged champion. He has a really good 1v1 for lane, so if the enemy jungle doesn't show up you can try to zone or bully, but due to his low kill potential people may just ignore you. He has the lack of CC unless he has his ultimate, meaning that if someone ganks for you pre-6 you're pretty much a fiora without a gap close (see: useless). Post-6 you can gank for him and his kill potential gets a little better, but just because you have your ult doesnt mean you're getting that kill every time. He also has some mana issues if you use more than 1 or 2 spells you're probably going to be out of mana. And don't get me started on that useless move speed steroid he has. You have to be below a certain amount of health for it to activate and its range is really low until higher levels, and it doesnt do much besides give you some vision and move speed, and that isn't a lot for how situational it is

Team Fight:
Pros: -Suppression
-Tanky
-Sustain
-AoE Attack Speed buff
-Sustain
Cons: -Suppression (ended when you CC him, CC available to A LOT of people these days)
-useless move speed buff(in team fights)
-Lack of CC other than ult
-Lack of gap close other than ult
-DPS lower than other bruisers(he has more of a bruiser kit than a tank kit)

The highlights of his team fight are that he has some decent zoning potential for enemy AD carries. This is due to the fact that he deals some damage (not really bursty so it's more an annoyance) and due to his ultimate which is amazing when you catch someone out but can be awful if anyone on the enemy team is near by because if the enemy's support sneezes it can end his ultimate. The other highlight worth mentioning is his AoE Attack Speed Buff, this can be amazing in team fights, but can usually be meh due to the fact that it's going to be helping your ADC the most and you should be diving the enemy ADC in team fights. He also has tankyness (just like everybody else) and the sustain which helps make him tanky
Then there is the lack of CC that he has other than his ultimate, and the lack of gap close other than his ultimate. Those 2 things are really big because he has more of a bruiser kit than a tank kit, he's more designed to kill a target but lacks much to make him more important to target than someone else. And he has a completely useless ability in team fights, as well as a not amazing DPS (wouldn't be an issue if he was more of a tank)

Split Push:
Pros: -Amazing 1v1
-Suppression
Cons: -Lack of Escapes
-Lack of Wave Clear
-Lack of Global Presence

And while split pushing he has the Amazing 1v1 mainly due to his suppression which is an awesome quality in split pushers
But he also has like no escapes which is fine if you have good global presence like TF or Shen but he doesn't... so that's bad
And he has literally no wave clear, which means when he does split push he isn't going that fast.

So overall warwick just doesn't do much. In team fights he is more of a nuisance and its the same when split pushing. And where do you put him? If you're playing him I would do it in lane. His laning phase is honestly the best part about him. His jungle sucks. That's all that needs to be said about it.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-05-20 17:26:45
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Cerberus.Tikal said: »
EDIT: RE Warwick: Regardless of him being a shitty champ or not, Riot has developed a game (despite popular whining) that is pretty well balanced. Yes, some champs are clearly better and some are clearly worse, but they actively monitor and modify the game. It is organic, and a champ that was OP one week can be dirt the next, or perhaps left with undiscovered potential. More, the variation between OP and UP isn't as large as people like to project. The game IS tightly woven, and these slight ebbs and flows of the games mechanics account for 0% of the fluctuation between players. A D-tier champ can ***all over S-tiers, and it all boils down to individual skill, play-style, and how well a champ's kit syncs up with a player's personality.

To be honest it all boils down to the current OP champions

Play the broken champions

That's what everybody says
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By Odin.Minefield 2013-05-20 17:31:19
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FERAL>>>>>>>
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2013-05-20 17:34:31
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I don't like to play broken champs just because they're broken champs, myself. It's the same reason I don't play A or S-tier characters in fighting games, solely because they're A or S-tier. I play my champs. The champs I like. The champs that fit me. The champs that I carry with. The only one I don't play who I really like anymore is Poppy, and that's because I feel she's extremely under powered, and her early game is complete crap.

I enjoy it, when, at the end of the game, people say "Holy *** Jax is scary." Not "Jax OP, nerf Jax."
By volkom 2013-05-20 17:36:02
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better nerf irelia
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By Odin.Minefield 2013-05-20 17:37:17
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Diana is dangerously close to taking that crown. Get it, because she lost hers because of Syndra? ohohohohoho

and get it, because they burned alive!?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-20 18:00:41
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Quote:
Have you ever really wanted to be
a total rebel
flipping tables on the enemy?



>win first game of series
>get disconnected for the second one

Ok.

> Arrive 4min late
> Farm jungle like a *** to make up the difference, we're 5/6
> This.

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By Kikorimo 2013-05-21 04:14:01
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so.... do all of the *** crawl out of their holes on monday or something? I just had to sit through 20 minutes of ***talking and I am not pleased. I actually want to end someone... and that's saying a lot coming from me. (Yes, they have already been blocked/reported for being a ***... but that doesn't exactly fix much I'm assuming.)
Please tell me that kind of poor sportsmanship isn't common practice on this game... because wow...
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2013-05-21 04:27:47
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It Happens, sometimes more often than not, Unfortunately there are some really shitty people in this world, and since this is one of the most played games in the world, you tend to encounter them from time to time :/

I've had a couple days where i literally told myself to uninstall the game because it was some pretty stressful events, but overall it's probably still worth playing and toughing it out for the most part, you just really have to learn to keep your cool and remind yourself that you are playing a videogame and that the other people behind the keyboard don't really matter lol.

edit- When i have some really bad days or i start losing 2-3 games in a row, i developed a habit of just walking away or taking a break from the game, go cool off or watch tv, or even play a different game for a bit. It's pretty easy to get caught up in the negativity this game forces down your throat sometimes :/
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By Kikorimo 2013-05-21 05:23:18
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the losing I can handle though, was on a bit of a losing streak tonight in ARAM, with only the occasional win, yet i was still in a decent mood. It's when people start to ***talk like that... non-stop for the whole game... it kinda grinds my nerves. I did walk away, for about an hour. I decided to go to one of the few stores still open this time of night to get something to eat.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-21 06:36:53
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Everytime I take a break from ranked and do some Blind/Draft/ARAM, I get the idiots.

***, I did a bot game yesterday to retry Ryze (I really can't get used to him), people were insulting each other over call order and in-game. It was mind blowing. You know, the game mode where it doesn't matter where you go and what you do because a single player can carry the whole game? Yep, that one.
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By Kikorimo 2013-05-21 07:02:04
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I'm new to Draven and ARAM made me play him, so of course I wasn't doing fantastic, and I already knew it. The cait on the other team who was hiding in the bushes sniping last hit for kills the whole game probably mains cait, or at least plays her a lot. But of course, in a mode where you can get forced to play your worst champs, and ones you don't even own because they're free to play, people are gonna lip off because they're beating you... because clearly everyone gets their best champs in ARAM all the time and are always going to perform at their best. Yup. That'll definitely translate into your overall skill in normal matches, for sure...
Interesting how the *** can be so mind blowingly stupid about some things and not even realize it.

On another note, just got out of another game with some idiot trash talking the whole time again, and it was a close game at that... I'm beginning to suspect that Monday nights are somehow related to this, because I've never run into so many *** monglers in one night before.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-21 08:17:20
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Depends on the hour, really.

If you play when teenagers usually play, you're royally ***. If you play later after people are usually drunk, you're just as ***.

I find morning to be the best. You will get some kids that wake up early but overall, it's much more calm.

Also, week-end is maximum overdose. People aren't at school so they're on LoL to reject their anger on strangers that just want to play their game.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2013-05-21 08:25:13
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Yea I try to avoid rank on the weekends unless its very late like anytime after 4am my time.

I normally avoid normal solo queue unless im really bored of ARAMs or I need to really work on my jungle champs which I cant really do in bots or ARAMs. People rage to much over it, I could understand rank, people have goals etc, but normal where anything you do wont really amount to any real accomplishment outside of getting better at the champ you want to master, just doesnt make sense to make such a commotion over it.
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By Bahamut.Kujah 2013-05-21 09:43:40
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50 points in silver I

Half way to gold!
By volkom 2013-05-21 11:13:18
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Wait till you hit 80lp. Then you'll get like 5 points a win and lose like 20 for a loss
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-05-21 14:25:41
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The MMR increase is quite lethal.

I went from a difference of 28 to 18 (W/L), when I first entered Bronze IV, after 1 defeat at 0LP I was demoted to Bronze V. This time, @0LP, 2 defeats and I'm still in Bronze IV.
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By Kikorimo 2013-05-22 00:14:48
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Tanky Fizz goes where he pleases! (Proof of how weird ARAM can be anyways... and yea, we won because enemy team got too busy focusing me down to defend their towers lol...)
By volkom 2013-05-22 00:43:41
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Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
The MMR increase is quite lethal.

I went from a difference of 28 to 18 (W/L), when I first entered Bronze IV, after 1 defeat at 0LP I was demoted to Bronze V. This time, @0LP, 2 defeats and I'm still in Bronze IV.
1-2 more defeats and you'll be back in bronze V.
there's a grace period when you promote to a new division.
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By Kikorimo 2013-05-22 03:03:21
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Other ARAM team has 3 ADCs? Gogo Team Thornmail! lol...
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