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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-04 23:03:32
and BotRK should be a first or second item on any adc
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-04 23:06:33
It does yes, I usually force duel because of this and it usually allows to win trades. You just have to pick if you rather farm or push the guy out of the lane first. Blind allows for a 100% second mark, which means the guy is dead. It definitely helps against a more fed ADC.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-04 23:10:10
Well as an adc dueling doesn't only apply to other adcs
just because of what happens in team fights (people diving on top of your ***) you're forced to orb walk away from your assailants and the blind can help a lot for this (tbh the Ult is probably best used for running away as well unless you're killing an idiot who is caught out or something)
BotRK helps a lot for kiting as well due to the move speed steal
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-04 23:19:44
Orb walking, another thing I need to learn. Shift right click I believe? Or am I mixing things?
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-04 23:21:22
That and CSing are some of the most important mechanics for an ADC to learn
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-03-05 00:29:42
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Orb walking, another thing I need to learn. Shift right click I believe? Or am I mixing things?
Shift right click is attack walk. Orb walking is animation canceling to move while you attack.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-05 00:45:14
So basically you just use right click to cancel, or is there another thing better? I already do that, though I don't know the frama data well enough to be as smooth as the people I see on streams, that might be why.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 00:49:07
rapidly click between your target and where you want to go if you want to be more precise with who you're hitting, but normally right clicking where you want to go and then attack moving the target (it prevents you from moving to where you clicked if you missed the person and hit the ground) because if you miss the target with attack move i think you'll just attack whoever is closest
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2013-03-05 01:03:02
I see, I never tried attack move, I'll check that in a few, thanks.
By volkom 2013-03-05 01:07:47
i do it all the time ._.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 10:13:47
By volkom 2013-03-05 10:41:34
orb walking.
Didn't know it had a term
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-03-05 10:43:19
So, Ive come to the conclusion if it attacks with auto-attacks it needs BotRK. Even GP....
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By Sylph.Spency 2013-03-05 10:52:34
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 11:16:07
Hopefully with the increase in cost as well as the damage nerf on base damage and damage nerf on the active it will be more of an "Oh ***they have 3 warmogs on every person" item
tbh Riot was the one who *** up with game balance, making it so that everyone had to build health in the first place, if they didn't want this to happen they should have just upped the amount of armor items give or made those items cheaper, or made armor pen/reduction a bit harder to come by
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By Sylph.Spency 2013-03-05 11:20:09
I just wish there was some viable variety in builds.
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By Ramuh.Urial 2013-03-05 11:23:22
I just wish there was some viable variety in builds. GTFO
Health/Pen all day son, every champ!
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:29:10
Hey I just played Ryze and built different than everyone else
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-05 12:37:03
tons of mp regen i hope :p
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:38:13
tons of mana
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:38:45
Muramana, Sorc Shoes, RoA, Frozen Heart, and was working on another RoA when we won
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By Bahamut.Serj 2013-03-05 12:38:53
Quote: Hey guys,
We’re hotfixing Blade of the Ruined King tonight based on community feedback and the state of the live game.
Blade of the Ruined King - Hotfix
• Attack Damage reduced to 25 from 30
• Combine cost increased to 1000 gold from 650 (total cost increased to 3200 gold from 2850)
• Active heal amount is now reduced by the target's Armor
• Maximum damage dealt to minions and monsters reduced to 60 from 90
Blade of the Ruined King is simply too cheap for how powerful it is
As an item that should be primarily used for countering health stacking, it was simply too cheap for its current utility. To reduce its cost effectiveness, we are slightly reducing Attack Damage and increasing combine cost.
The active heal will now be reduced by the target’s Armor
Currently the active heals for 15% of the target’s maximum Health regardless of the target’s Armor. With this change, building Armor will now reduce the amount of health obtained from the active making Armor an even more effective counter to Blade of the Ruined King.
We're reducing the maximum damage dealt to minions and monsters.
Currently Blade of the Ruined King provides far too much power against neutral objectives (ex: Baron, Dragon) and unintentionally trivializes these difficult encounters. By reducing this aspect of the item, we can focus on its core purpose of countering high-health enemies.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:40:49
basically, don't rush it
get it as a situational item at best
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-05 12:41:14
Armor still sucks. They can't make a counter to one item and then say armor is fixed. Wtf riot.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:41:18
as an ADC*
maybe still rush as Irelia and Jax
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 12:42:49
Armor still sucks. They can't make a counter to one item and then say armor is fixed. Wtf riot.
armor hasn't really been "nerfed" it was made more expensive because it was too easy to get Season 2, and then they buffed armor pen
basically, now ruined king counters health
armor counters ruined king
last whisper(other pen and shred as well) counters armor
health counters last whisper(and other ***that does what it does)
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-05 12:48:51
It doesn't scale differently, but I think its still unbalanced. Because of things like cleaver and DFG you can't build one solid armor or MR item and expect to be covered.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2013-03-05 12:53:55
As I see it, and correct me if I'm wrong:
You have a lot of sources of armor, but the sources of arpen are easily built into builds anyway (bc). Especially with the ability of ad casters to apply it with abilities you're talking very short period of time before the full effect is applied. And with abilities like garen spin, you can apply it to an entire team in a tf.
You have minimal sources of MR this season, and even more sources of MRpen (or ignoring it) with the addition of DFG.
You have multiple sources of HP, a lot of which build into damage items too. You have one item now to counter health, and apcs can't even utilize it. I guess dfg kind of does cover the ap side, but it's function falls into the increased damage role too, which makes it useful whether or not the target has MR or not.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2013-03-05 13:03:41
APCs have Liandry's and DFG to deal with people building tanky tbh
Burst APs can be left out of the discussion because Health in essence is supposed to counter that
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