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 Asura.Lolserj
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-21 22:22:20
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Does Thornmail proc through zhonya's? I pulled off some crazy maneuver as Ahri earlier and that's the only explanation i can think of how I won that fight.

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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-21 22:24:53
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Can I still be hit with zhonya's (i don't use it much) and if i can, can thornmail reflect the blocked damage.

I somehow killed a fiora under her turret while in stasis.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-04-21 22:30:02
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You cant be hit by anything while under zhonya's.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-21 22:31:57
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Why would you have a Zhonya's and Thornmail...
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-04-21 22:33:25
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Cerberus.Eugene said: »
Can I still be hit with zhonya's (i don't use it much) and if i can, can thornmail reflect the blocked damage.

I somehow killed a fiora under her turret while in stasis.

... who were you playing.. and did you have red buff?
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-21 23:21:27
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Why would you have a Zhonya's and Thornmail...

For more MR
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-21 23:23:54
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I don't even remember the last time i got thornmail tbh D:
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-21 23:34:07
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Why would you have a Zhonya's and Thornmail...

Everyone was fed to ***, made more sense to get some more survivability at that point. I don't hurp durp around getting armor because I don't know what's going on :p The game was over an hour in, their team was 4 to 1 ad to ap. The combo actually let me kill two people under the turret and survive, I just don't know how I killed fiora while in stasis.

No I didn't have red, or anything else that should have ticked down to kill him. I guess the only explanations is some rogue minion spam, but it was a fairly significant portion of his health.

Asura.Ludoggy said: »
You cant be hit by anything while under zhonya's.
Thanks man :)
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-21 23:36:02
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
I don't even remember the last time i got thornmail tbh D:

It's not a usual purchase for me, but the game depended more on survivability at that point than raw damage. They were straight ad, not mr, so i didn't need items to punch through defense though the hundred ap on the zhonyas was a nice bonus. Being ap i was frequent target, i could do more damage at that point by living longer.
By volkom 2012-04-21 23:57:01
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I really hate playing with people that don't have any map awareness
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By Ramuh.Urial 2012-04-22 00:07:27
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volkom said: »
I really hate playing with people that don't have any map awareness

Don't worry.
I'll carry you to victory.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-22 01:10:52
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Guardian Angel would be better than thornmail. AP's generally can't soak up enough damage to make use of a thornmail.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-04-22 01:12:34
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Guardian Angel would be better than thornmail. AP's generally can't soak up enough damage to make use of a thornmail.

but it has thorns

(i got blamed in a ranked game for a loss because i didnt have thornmail on udyr even though i had an omen and a frozen heart so im still bitter)
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By Sylph.Zaraku 2012-04-22 09:30:51
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Asura.Lolserj said: »
Fairy.Spence said: »
Guardian Angel would be better than thornmail. AP's generally can't soak up enough damage to make use of a thornmail.

but it has thorns

(i got blamed in a ranked game for a loss because i didnt have thornmail on udyr even though i had an omen and a frozen heart so im still bitter)

lololololol UDYR Y U NO HAVE THORNMAIL?!?!! WE WOULD WIN IF YOU DID?!?!! Y U NO?!!??!

but they dont ask the tank to get thornmail!

good times... good times..
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2012-04-22 10:48:38
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Guardian Angel would be better than thornmail. AP's generally can't soak up enough damage to make use of a thornmail.
It worked out spence, and allowed for more utility in non-team fights. Guardian angel would have provided me with less armor, relatively useless mr, and a buff that I would have died anyway with at that point in the game.

As I said I rarely buy thornmail, but I also rarely have a game that lasts an hour and 15 minutes.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-22 11:17:46
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Suit yourself!
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By Rhaokin 2012-04-22 11:29:03
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*** AP supports who steal kills by following an enemy I've got down and holding abilities til their last sliver of health...

They think they're being helpful but they're not. Nothing quite like going 12/4/22 on Ashe..
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By Sylph.Zaraku 2012-04-22 11:31:13
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sigh i love retards in ranked... i just got rolled on kog which never happens, because this stupid xin zhao jungle did nothing to help and mid had no control over lane and lb was constantly in my lane :|
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By Cerberus.Kengo 2012-04-23 02:58:33
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Rhaokin said: »
*** AP supports who steal kills by following an enemy I've got down and holding abilities til their last sliver of health...

They think they're being helpful but they're not. Nothing quite like going 12/4/22 on Ashe..

Kill Secured.
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By Rhaokin 2012-04-23 03:17:14
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Except when you're running and shooting someone with Frost Arrows and Heimerdinger follows you the whole way not doing anything until 50hp then shoots his rockets.
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-23 05:04:36
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Maybe he only just got in range at the last 50 HP. Heimer isn't known for his speed.
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By Rhaokin 2012-04-23 05:07:54
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Have you seen the range on his rockets though?
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By Fairy.Spence 2012-04-23 05:38:24
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This is true.

The thing you have to ask yourself is would you rather ensure a kill, or ensure you get the gold?

It's a team game, while the gold may be better used on someone else, it still goes to your team.

Lots of emphasis on MAY!
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By Fenrir.Uzugami 2012-04-23 06:08:53
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*** my life. Horrible night of randumb BR's. Why do I queue around this time? ***.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2012-04-23 06:09:06
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volkom said: »
I really hate playing with people that don't have any map awareness
My Teemo.......knows where everyone is at 95% of the time. Most teemos barricade their spot, but I generally mushroom all my entrances of my color map that leads to my jungle + important buffs and mushroom all their exits of their jungle and buffs as often as I can. Hes become one of my recent favs just because of the utility he can provide. Map awareness + AS/F.M slow combo toss in some tank shredding items or AD items and hes really an asset to any team.

Never really liked teemo as a char since he was so squishy in most matches that I saw him, but 90% of my matches Ive died the least amount on both teams, so I hope to get even better at him offensively now that I think I can play him rather well defensively.
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By volkom 2012-04-23 06:13:24
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Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
volkom said: »
I really hate playing with people that don't have any map awareness
My Teemo.......knows where everyone is at 95% of the time. Most teemos barricade their spot, but I generally mushroom all my entrances of my color map that leads to my jungle + important buffs and mushroom all their exits of their jungle and buffs as often as I can. Hes become one of my recent favs just because of the utility he can provide. Map awareness + AS/F.M slow combo toss in some tank shredding items or AD items and hes really an asset to any team.

Never really liked teemo as a char since he was so squishy in most matches that I saw him, but 90% of my matches Ive died the least amount on both teams, so I hope to get even better at him offensively now that I think I can play him rather well defensively.

well i understand teemo is the shroom warding but i mean like from a jungler's perspective.

when I come to gank i give a heads up to the people in the lane and they bait or assist. But the problem is tho its like I come in for the gank, do damage, pull out and then they go to their tower or bush to b, while someone else comes into the lane and starts to fight me while i try to run or engage and they just sit there and continue to farm or w/e. Same goes when I invade their jungle and I have to get away from their jungler. Really helps if mid lane or w/e lane thats closests makes some effort to try to save instead of leaving the jungler to die.

And another thing that ticks me is that solo lanes such as bot or top seem to never check the mini map when they got clear vision(from wards) whats comming into their lane from the river/bush as they continue to farm unless someone pings a thousand times
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2012-04-23 06:14:20
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Rhaokin said: »
Except when you're running and shooting someone with Frost Arrows and Heimerdinger follows you the whole way not doing anything until 50hp then shoots his rockets.
Its Heimer though, if it was on champs that arent really going to be doing a whole lot of damage most times, Id be a little down, but hes a char where the extra kills dont go to waste, unless hes a bad heimer.
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-23 06:18:01
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Fairy.Spence said: »
Guardian Angel would be better than thornmail. AP's generally can't soak up enough damage to make use of a thornmail.
^ this,
thornmail is generally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE unless:
1. you have the effective or huge hp pool to actually live long enough to have the magic damage actually take effect. its hard countered by low hp on your part and decent life steal/MRes on the enemy's part.

2. carry has a reason to target you

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Can I still be hit with zhonya's (i don't use it much) and if i can, can thornmail reflect the blocked damage.

I somehow killed a fiora under her turret while in stasis.
you may have had some kind of damage over time left on her like malz's malefic visions, or brand's passive, or red buff. or tower may have killed her, and since you hit her last, you got credit.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2012-04-23 06:26:12
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just dominated in a rank game with shen. built cloth armor to counter olaf top lane. ww jungle with yi and mf bot lane. went straight for thornmail. wrecked the whole game.



<3 thornmail
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By Shiva.Schatzie 2012-04-23 06:34:54
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im excited, my main's almost to 1800
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