Fiora is stupid. Shes like a slightly less stupid but more reliable kat. Team fight goes off and everyone dies besides fiora then out of no where you watch her just start eating people wondering how it everyone else on her team had already died.
Don't underestimate the power of a good lane push. If you push your lane hard onto their turret then b, if you have lvl 1 boots you can usually get back with only missing 3-4 creeps, less if you get lucky.
? what no you miss out on more than that (unless it's just not a hard pushing lane champ...) plus a lot of times junglers come in to push mid when they go b and try to knock off as much hp on that turret as possible. I don't know where you get 2-3 minions missed unless absolutely early early game like lvl 3 o.o
I don't know, ziggs is very hit or miss and mostly miss. His thing is he has great dmg and great early game but late game hes pretty much nothing but a snack. I'm not even sure why but no matter how well a ziggs does, even when I play him, unless he is stupid fed and I mean stupid, he just falls off hard lategame.
I don't know, ziggs is very hit or miss and mostly miss. His thing is he has great dmg and great early game but late game hes pretty much nothing but a snack. I'm not even sure why but no matter how well a ziggs does, even when I play him, unless he is stupid fed and I mean stupid, he just falls off hard lategame.
Yeah he falls off hard late game, but he can get that early push and feed to really wreck your team and allow his teams other champs to make up for him late game.
Who cares if he falls off late game if his teammates are stronger than you're gimped and gold deprived team.
Well, if you get your own minions under their turret, your minions die, while being unlikely to kill many if any of the opponents minions (the minions you would be missing). Next their minions push to about mid between the turrets and meet another wave with their own wave in tow. Around this time, a few of he minions you're worried about would die, but you will make it back around this time.
If your opponent pushes really hard, all it does is bring the minions closer to your side, which is a very good thing. Before lvl 10, there is little to no chance of them pushing into your turret, they just can't dish out enough dmg and if they do, they probably are missing lasties by auto-attacking to much.
I don't know, ziggs is very hit or miss and mostly miss. His thing is he has great dmg and great early game but late game hes pretty much nothing but a snack. I'm not even sure why but no matter how well a ziggs does, even when I play him, unless he is stupid fed and I mean stupid, he just falls off hard lategame.
Yeah he falls off hard late game, but he can get that early push and feed to really wreck your team and allow his teams other champs to make up for him late game.
Who cares if he falls off late game if his teammates are stronger than you're gimped and gold deprived team.
He only falls off if you don't get in some farm in the jungle where you can. I mean his harass is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE when you are defending a turret even late game. You send him to a turret alone and now you gotta send some one there to defend it... 1 on 1 his harass is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE... usually you don't send your strongest to defend a lone pusher either.
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
Well, if you get your own minions under their turret, your minions die, while being unlikely to kill many if any of the opponents minions (the minions you would be missing). Next their minions push to about mid between the turrets and meet another wave with their own wave in tow. Around this time, a few of he minions you're worried about would die, but you will make it back around this time.
If your opponent pushes really hard, all it does is bring the minions closer to your side, which is a very good thing. Before lvl 10, there is little to no chance of them pushing into your turret, they just can't dish out enough dmg and if they do, they probably are missing lasties by auto-attacking to much.
I do it veigar all the time... I almost never miss a last hit on veigar.. pretty hard not to....plus when you push the turret back you can go B and come back as they are back around mid lane and eating away at your minions then harass them again. I hate having to B first to me it's a wasted move.
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
I don't consider singed broken I just consider him an extreme nuisance that a lot of people don't compensate for.
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
So... he's about sustain... but doesn't sustain mean dmg over time? Your contradicting yourself... swaine has a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE burst as well
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
So... he's about sustain... but doesn't sustain mean dmg over time? Your contradicting yourself... swaine has a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE burst as well
im not contradicting anything, theres a huge difference between mages like swain and vlad who aim for staying in a fight for as long as they can, compared to mages like veigar or annie who blow their load in one huge burst.
edit: that swain has a full build and 20 stacks of mejais -_-...
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
So... he's about sustain... but doesn't sustain mean dmg over time? Your contradicting yourself... swaine has a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE burst as well
im not contradicting anything, theres a huge difference between mages like swain and vlad who aim for staying in a fight for as long as they can, compared to mages like veigar or annie who blow their load in one huge burst.
o.o I'm not even gonna continue with this.. I can see where this is going
Swain Sustain Train is his full name. I agree, it is about sustain and the defense gives you effectively 50% more health which keeps you longer and the dmg added to his ult gives you back more hp. His burst is also kind of stupid. His e+q+ignite melts a squishy with just a decent amount of ap. A big thing with just the WoA and spirit visage is sure he could last 10 seconds, but he doesn't do enough dmg (unless he got fed to that point) to make it really worthwhile. Again, it's definitely feasible but due to the strong reliance on healing its very counter-able, If you just want someone healing a bunch, then play mundo.
I feel like if I saw Fiora and Ziggs in a game I'd just quit.
lol theyre not even that bad. a game with singed and someone with broken CC like fiddles, now thats annoying.
@shinobu
swain isnt about damage, hes about sustain, wota + ROA should be ~200 ap with masteries and runes by mid game. thats plenty of damage considering swain has a 22% damage amplification spell.
So... he's about sustain... but doesn't sustain mean dmg over time? Your contradicting yourself... swaine has a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE burst as well
im not contradicting anything, theres a huge difference between mages like swain and vlad who aim for staying in a fight for as long as they can, compared to mages like veigar or annie who blow their load in one huge burst.
o.o I'm not even gonna continue with this.. I can see where this is going
that swain has 640+ AP, 20 stacks of mejais says fed to kingdom come, that video is a horrible source of "evidence"
Ya, hes lvl 18 while the rest of them are around lvl 14 lol. Anyone can pull off stupid crap with that much feed lol.
In the end, like I said: swain does what he wants. My only argument is based on reliability. Also, out of all of my characters, swains my favorite. I play him if I just feel like winning (except in ranked, he can be countered to hard) Fizz wrecks swains day so hard.
Ya, hes lvl 18 while the rest of them are around lvl 14 lol. Anyone can pull off stupid crap with that much feed lol.
In the end, like I said: swain does what he wants. My only argument is based on reliability. Also, out of all of my characters, swains my favorite. I play him if I just feel like winning (except in ranked, he can be countered to hard) Fizz wrecks swains day so hard.
sure, fizz or MF is an example of getting counter picked, but if you arent counterpicked, ignite has a pretty long *** cooldown, whereas your spells should be strong enough to kill a carry alone with just my build, while making you beefy as hell.
armor runes/MR runes + armor / hp masteries make for a beefy early mid sawin
Man, I havn't played a normal in like 20 games and I just played duo que normal with my friend while she was over and it wasnt even nice :'( 3 people got reported for "feeding" me lol.
Has anyone here at least given this game a try or plays it? I enjoy it a lot for what it's worth. It's a MOBA-style game and it's completely FREE unless you want to buy skins(merely aesthetic) for champions. All the champions are well-balanced and can be purchased with Influence Points earned from matches.
