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How good is multihit Khanda for atonement spam?
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 12:49:15
Bismarck.Dracondria said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ehehe, yeah, I've always heard arguments for/against Vorpal vs. Swift back in the days before Atonement.
GAWD I NEED THAT WS T_T
It's k. ;_; I'll just get 300 skill and get Sanguine Blade. :3
What floor are you on now? 1 ._.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 12:49:56
Ouch, make a static! I did 1-100 on my PLD~
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-27 12:53:56
Ragnarok.Anye said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Ehehe, yeah, I've always heard arguments for/against Vorpal vs. Swift back in the days before Atonement.
GAWD I NEED THAT WS T_T
It's k. ;_; I'll just get 300 skill and get Sanguine Blade. :3
What floor are you on now? 1 ._.
Hooooooow are you still on 1? >.> No one shouts on Ragnarok?
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 12:53:56
Ramuh.Dasva said: Well dint mnd and str. And MAB and such. Since it's magical things like base weapon dmg and pdif don't affect it. Making it pretty consistent against higher mobs since the only mob stats that will effect it is MDT/MDB (which alot of mobs don't have and would lower atonement too) and int. Pld kinda sucks for gearing for it so maybe not. Idk blu and rdm can get some nice dmg on it. Comparable to atonement on strong mobs if well geared. Then 50% hp drain is just icing on the cake. You should never do under 300 with it if the mob doesn't have MDB or MDT Kinda answered that in my last post but felt I should go back to this. HP drain is 25/50/100 based on TP, and yes, comapred to BLU or RDM, PLD has crap gear centered on INT though we have a fair amount for MND if I recall, and plenty of STR. I would think a PLD geared for it could maybe do... 500-700? Somewhere in that range, and that is guessing. And yeah, this is basicly BLU and RDMs answer to Atonement, with a nice boost in HP after that convert for a RDM.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-27 12:54:32
100%TP 200%TP 300%TP
50% 75% 100%
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 12:54:37
Yeah I staticed with 3-4 other people 1-100 over a couple of months and then just farmed HNMs after that. Was nice except the crappy pickup people we got.
Also I see climb shouts all the time
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By Bismarck.Altar 2010-07-27 12:58:05
For Gearing up for Sanguine Blade:
Mab > Int > Mnd > Str
And Pld doesn't get much in the way of MAB and Int :(
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 12:58:35
Fenrir.Luarania said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Well dint mnd and str. And MAB and such. Since it's magical things like base weapon dmg and pdif don't affect it. Making it pretty consistent against higher mobs since the only mob stats that will effect it is MDT/MDB (which alot of mobs don't have and would lower atonement too) and int. Pld kinda sucks for gearing for it so maybe not. Idk blu and rdm can get some nice dmg on it. Comparable to atonement on strong mobs if well geared. Then 50% hp drain is just icing on the cake. You should never do under 300 with it if the mob doesn't have MDB or MDT Kinda answered that in my last post but felt I should go back to this. HP drain is 25/50/100 based on TP, and yes, comapred to BLU or RDM, PLD has crap gear centered on INT though we have a fair amount for MND if I recall, and plenty of STR. I would think a PLD geared for it could maybe do... 500-700? Somewhere in that range, and that is guessing. And yeah, this is basicly BLU and RDMs answer to Atonement, with a nice boost in HP after that convert for a RDM. 50/75/100.
700 probably be iffy on pld unless the mob gets -magic def.
dInt has by far the biggest effect then mnd then str. Well besides MAB but that depends on base dmg and amount. For example mahatma can be better or worse than teal legs for me
But with lets say you get 40dint 100mnd/str and 12 MAB from earrings which seems reasonable on pld (not sure) that would be 425 dmg.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 12:59:28
Bismarck.Dracondria said: 100%TP 200%TP 300%TP 50% 75% 100% Seriously? God I am off the ball today, these magian trials must be crappy my sleep more than I thought.... Bleh I'll go make some food or something and let the smarter people handle stuff ; ;
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 13:03:28
Oh yeah it's darkness... so fight on darkday/weather with obi
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:07:19
Bismarck.Dracondria said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: What floor are you on now? 1 ._.
Hooooooow are you still on 1? >.> No one shouts on Ragnarok? Ehehehe, I've been spending my time *not* in Whitegate, mostly. And I'm not a big fan of pick-up groups.... My ls had a static twice upon a time, but never at a very convenient time for me^^;
Oh, and it's probably going to be a lot easier once I hit 80 and can do it with fewer people. Right?
Fenrir.Luarania said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: 100%TP 200%TP 300%TP 50% 75% 100% Seriously? God I am off the ball today, these magian trials must be crappy my sleep more than I thought.... Bleh I'll go make some food or something and let the smarter people handle stuff ; ; /comfort, it happens! Er, A for effort! \o/?
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-07-27 13:08:48
If you can climb to 60ish it isn't too horrible to unlock
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 13:11:54
Ramuh.Dasva said: Oh yeah it's darkness... so fight on darkday/weather with obi And don't use on Dark Elementals, learned that one the hard way ._.; of course when I did it I hadn't realized it was Dark aligned...
Ragnarok.Anye said: /comfort, it happens! Er, A for effort! \o/? lol twice now I messed up, thats a D if anything. Usually I'm pretty good with my information. Severe lack of sleep must be getting to me... almost to the current final stage of the VIT path...
On the Nyzul part, if you can make it to 70, starting from there with no points and finishing a Machaera with sTP will unlock it for you when you have 40 WSs left to do (1360) 65 is 1560, and 60 is 1760, both of which aren't bad if you have a SAM buddy helping.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:17:52
:o Sweet; thanks guys!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 13:19:38
Yeah I did PDT swd and about to finish 2-3 khanda now...
But sanguine blade is making me want to do the -15% magic defense swd too. That is another benefit over atonement. Other people can help you increase the dmg alot. Blu and or anyone with -magic def weapon can give you 10-15% dmg with just that. Int down on the mob will up dmg a bit. Giving you int lol or mab with brd cor smn
Also maybe thinking of making a blu build that tanks similarly as a pld except SB spamming which will get my hp back.
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By Leviathan.Xepherhiro 2010-07-27 13:23:53
The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 13:24:07
Ramuh.Dasva said: Also maybe thinking of making a blu build that tanks similarly as a pld except SB spamming which will get my hp back. I don't mean to come off rude if I seem like it, but did you read that thread about the WAR using swords and Fencer to tank PLD style and spam San Blade? Literally the first thing I thought of but it might be possible.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:32:47
Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it. I'm pretty positive it is. And I'm keeping my Joytoy regardless of the benefits of the OA2-3x Khanda--it's close enough and I'm not going to spend time on that sword if I don't have to.
In the future I'll probably work on the VIT/PDT Shamshir.
and--hey, look! A Sanguine Blade sword!
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By Ramuh.Haseyo 2010-07-27 13:37:30
I thought that said "Mag.Def.Bsns."
Nothing like +8 Magic Defense Business.
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By Leviathan.Xepherhiro 2010-07-27 13:37:42
Fenrir.Luarania said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Also maybe thinking of making a blu build that tanks similarly as a pld except SB spamming which will get my hp back. I don't mean to come off rude if I seem like it, but did you read that thread about the WAR using swords and Fencer to tank PLD style and spam San Blade? Literally the first thing I thought of but it might be possible.
This is assuming a WAR would put in a good amount of Merits + Sword Skill gear to use this WS at this point in time. But usually WARs who would care to put forth the effort into their jobs wouldn't merit Sword lol. But you never know i guess~
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 13:39:51
Fenrir.Luarania said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Also maybe thinking of making a blu build that tanks similarly as a pld except SB spamming which will get my hp back. I don't mean to come off rude if I seem like it, but did you read that thread about the WAR using swords and Fencer to tank PLD style and spam San Blade? Literally the first thing I thought of but it might be possible. Naw. Plus the reason I suggest blu outside of the I have it lvld is you keep the survivability maybe even gain some on pld and more hate tools. Also a war would need full merits + suppa + torque just to acess it. Also can't DW with fencer
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By Leviathan.Xepherhiro 2010-07-27 13:40:02
Ragnarok.Anye said: Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it. I'm pretty positive it is. And I'm keeping my Joytoy regardless of the benefits of the OA2-3x Khanda--it's close enough and I'm not going to spend time on that sword if I don't have to.
In the future I'll probably work on the VIT/PDT Shamshir.
and--hey, look! A Sanguine Blade sword!
You want Magic ATTACK Bonus for Sanguine :P
EDIT: Also, It IS worth doing the trial still, because when you think about it, you know how SE is; They're only going to make these swords better during every update (Why wouldn't they?). I'd still put the time into doing the Khanda OA2-3 Trial because you never know what surprises they'll have in store for each and every trial.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 13:41:13
Ragnarok.Anye said: Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it. I'm pretty positive it is. And I'm keeping my Joytoy regardless of the benefits of the OA2-3x Khanda--it's close enough and I'm not going to spend time on that sword if I don't have to. In the future I'll probably work on the VIT/PDT Shamshir. and--hey, look! A Sanguine Blade sword! No Anye, not that one. That would be better for magic tanking. The INT path sword is better, +6 and MAB+8, would get better results from that than the MND path. Though if you are planning to spam Joy or 2-3 would do it better I would think.
Also I agree with you both on the BLU and San-Blade. Just remembered that thread and had a good chuckle again. Actually if you don't mind testing it I'd be interested in seeing data on if BLU could actually do that.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 13:41:58
Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it. I'm pretty positive it is. And I'm keeping my Joytoy regardless of the benefits of the OA2-3x Khanda--it's close enough and I'm not going to spend time on that sword if I don't have to. In the future I'll probably work on the VIT/PDT Shamshir. and--hey, look! A Sanguine Blade sword! You want Magic ATTACK Bonus for Sanguine :P And int. Int is a little more than twice as effective as MND.
Though assuming you don't have a blu or someone else with a similar weapon I'd rather use
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:43:14
Oops. Edited my original reply.
...And subsequent quotes thereafter. CUZ I CAN.
<_< DUNNO WHATCHA'LL'RE TALKIN BOUT.
Just having a Luarania moment ;D
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-07-27 13:46:20
Ragnarok.Anye said: Oops. Edited my original reply. ...And subsequent quotes thereafter. CUZ I CAN. <_< DUNNO WHATCHA'LL'RE TALKIN BOUT. Just having a Luarania moment ;D Ragnarok.Anye said: Leviathan.Xepherhiro said: The 2-3 Khanda IS 50/30/20. I had to confirm this with my sword doing MANY MANY multiple tests. I've had it for about 2 weeks know so i got to play with it a lil' bit. If anyone needed the confirmation, you can take my word for it. I'm pretty positive it is. And I'm keeping my Joytoy regardless of the benefits of the OA2-3x Khanda--it's close enough and I'm not going to spend time on that sword if I don't have to. In the future I'll probably work on the VIT/PDT Shamshir. and--hey, look! A Sanguine Blade sword!  Wait what? Still the same for me... I don't know why either... Anye something is broken ; ;
Wait! WAIT! You did NOT just do that! >_> Evil Mod is evil!
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-07-27 13:48:06
Fenrir.Luarania said: Also I agree with you both on the BLU and San-Blade. Just remembered that thread and had a good chuckle again. Actually if you don't mind testing it I'd be interested in seeing data on if BLU could actually do that. Unfortunately I have no morri or yigit outside of feet so using alot of errant lol. But well see what I can do
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:48:51
Psh, fine :P no <3 for you!
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-07-27 13:50:38
Dah, crap. Now I'm late to work. :<
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Trial_1206
now i could be missing something big, here, but it seems like paladin finally got its Ridill. as far as i can tell, this thing seems like it would be a dream for paladin atonement spam. Since paladins everywhere don't seem to have gone crazy over it, i am left to assume there is a catch to this thing i am missing.
assuming a ridill/mkris style 30/50/20 single/double/triple attack rate distribution, this would be beautiful
i notice the base damage is quite low. however, as far as i've read, base damage does not have anything to do with hitting for zero against high level mobs.
i'm ready to start checking the weather and start killing right now, but if this thing is worthless for some reason i'm not catching, i'd appreciate it if someone would enlighten me before i go kill seven million mobs to upgrade it
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