Also anyone that is going to build a computer better know what they are getting themselves into in terms of hardware because if you get Intel, you better get a MoBo that supports intel and the same thing with AMD.
K10 architecture on the new AMD is far different than the Nehalem architecture.
FFXI And FFXIV Computer Build Help.
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FFXI and FFXIV Computer Build Help.
Would it be a good idea to just get a cheaper G-card for the moment and wait a year or so before upgrading it when prices drop?
I hate my case at the moment, it's such a ***-tease, I start getting near stable 3.4 but the case is just too small to justify it lol.
My total fans in case:
3 front intake 1 side intake 1 inside intake (middle compartment) 1 on GPU 1 on CPU 1 top intake 2 back 1 on PSU for only the actual case it is 6 (120mm) and 1 (200mm) Antec Twelve Hundred...if you didn't see my other posts Depends what you mean by a cheaper card. The 9800 and 4850 are 2 yrish old tech but will run both FFXI and FXXIV(probly near low settings). Those 2 cards wont get much cheaper, maybe about 10-15 dollars over the next year. Whereas the GTX 200 series will most likely drop maybe 100 dollars and the 400s will be top dollar for a long time till they release im assuming the 600 series. Same with the ATI's although ATI is always cheaper then Nvidia.
@Flion what case? I ended up buying the biggest case i could find atm i have 2 Coolermaster ATCS840's. One is taken apart because im modding it the other is running my stuff. Leviathan.Snomm said: My total fans in case: 3 front intake 1 side intake 1 inside intake (middle compartment) 1 on GPU 1 on CPU 1 top intake 2 back 1 on PSU for only the actual case it is 6 (120mm) and 1 (200mm) I've got one blow back and one intake on the side, 1 on back, 2 on GPU, 1 on CPU, 1 PSU and one on the front. Need a budget. You can get Dell XPS's for fairly cheap with the right build. Toshiba puts out some dependable laptops. Don't buy anything Acer and if you plan on doing PC gaming dont buy Macs...
Titan.Azilmar said: Depends what you mean by a cheaper card. The 9800 and 4850 are 2 yrish old tech but will run both FFXI and FXXIV(probly near low settings). Those 2 cards wont get much cheaper, maybe about 10-15 dollars over the next year. Whereas the GTX 200 series will most likely drop maybe 100 dollars and the 400s will be top dollar for a long time till they release im assuming the 600 series. Same with the ATI's although ATI is always cheaper then Nvidia. @Flion what case? I ended up buying the biggest case i could find atm i have 2 Coolermaster ATCS840's. One is taken apart because im modding it the other is running my stuff. 'Casecom KJ-3391 Piano Black Mid Tower Case with 120mm Blue LED Front Fan'  I was at the absolute limit of my budget >.> Cost me about £20.00 I'm thinking of upgrading into the antec 300 Antec PSU being at the bottom is a huge pro for me. Shiva.Flionheart said: Titan.Azilmar said: Depends what you mean by a cheaper card. The 9800 and 4850 are 2 yrish old tech but will run both FFXI and FXXIV(probly near low settings). Those 2 cards wont get much cheaper, maybe about 10-15 dollars over the next year. Whereas the GTX 200 series will most likely drop maybe 100 dollars and the 400s will be top dollar for a long time till they release im assuming the 600 series. Same with the ATI's although ATI is always cheaper then Nvidia. @Flion what case? I ended up buying the biggest case i could find atm i have 2 Coolermaster ATCS840's. One is taken apart because im modding it the other is running my stuff. 'Casecom KJ-3391 Piano Black Mid Tower Case with 120mm Blue LED Front Fan' I was at the absolute limit of my budget >.> >.< Mid tower hurts me deep. I couldn't fit anything in that case Titan.Azilmar said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Titan.Azilmar said: Depends what you mean by a cheaper card. The 9800 and 4850 are 2 yrish old tech but will run both FFXI and FXXIV(probly near low settings). Those 2 cards wont get much cheaper, maybe about 10-15 dollars over the next year. Whereas the GTX 200 series will most likely drop maybe 100 dollars and the 400s will be top dollar for a long time till they release im assuming the 600 series. Same with the ATI's although ATI is always cheaper then Nvidia. @Flion what case? I ended up buying the biggest case i could find atm i have 2 Coolermaster ATCS840's. One is taken apart because im modding it the other is running my stuff. 'Casecom KJ-3391 Piano Black Mid Tower Case with 120mm Blue LED Front Fan' I was at the absolute limit of my budget >.> >.< Mid tower hurts me deep. I couldn't fit anything in that case Tell me about it, I thought I was going to have to get the hacksaw out more than once lol. I'm thinking of upgrading into the antec 300 Antec PSU being at the bottom is a huge pro for me. Siren.Enternius said:  Alienware is a fail money grab, good pcs i suppose but i can build better for cheaper. Titan.Azilmar said: Siren.Enternius said: Alienware is a fail money grab, good pcs i suppose but i can build better for cheaper.  Titan.Azilmar said: Siren.Enternius said: Alienware is a fail money grab, good pcs i suppose but i can build better for cheaper. YES I agree completely, I mean I priced up an Alienware PC to build a couple of days a go, and I was potentially saving £300 or so. For the OP, if you want to play FFXIV as I assume that is the reason and I believe that is what you actually posted, I would suggest at the minimum, a better GPU since most games really don't focus on anything else...These days programming only uses pointers and vectors to determine what it is that is actually happening so the CPU is hardly a huge part of the equation whereas the GPU is the graphical representation of what is actually being processed which it pulls from the server database (only the pointers and vectors)...internet being another huge part of gaming...which in turn uses the HDD .DAT files and other various file types you downloaded. In today's gaming there is very little needed server-side except the authentification from the service to use their provided environment...server-side only collects data in number-form to determine where a player is on the map and where monsters spawn.
TL;DR version There is a huge focus on the GPU instead of the CPU because data is only represented in small bits of information that your CPU can easily interpret, but is much harder for your GPU to comprehend when it has to take the information that the CPU has deciphered and create the polygonal figures in such high detail. Shiva.Flionheart said: Titan.Azilmar said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Titan.Azilmar said: Depends what you mean by a cheaper card. The 9800 and 4850 are 2 yrish old tech but will run both FFXI and FXXIV(probly near low settings). Those 2 cards wont get much cheaper, maybe about 10-15 dollars over the next year. Whereas the GTX 200 series will most likely drop maybe 100 dollars and the 400s will be top dollar for a long time till they release im assuming the 600 series. Same with the ATI's although ATI is always cheaper then Nvidia. @Flion what case? I ended up buying the biggest case i could find atm i have 2 Coolermaster ATCS840's. One is taken apart because im modding it the other is running my stuff. 'Casecom KJ-3391 Piano Black Mid Tower Case with 120mm Blue LED Front Fan' I was at the absolute limit of my budget >.> >.< Mid tower hurts me deep. I couldn't fit anything in that case Tell me about it, I thought I was going to have to get the hacksaw out more than once lol. I'm thinking of upgrading into the antec 300 Antec PSU being at the bottom is a huge pro for me. Dont wanna quote train too highly here but if you have the cash check out the Coolermaster ATCS 840, its a beast but the PSU can be retrofitted at the top or bottom and you will NEVER have to worry about space EVER. Leviathan.Snomm said: For the OP, if you want to play FFXIV as I assume that is the reason and I believe that is what you actually posted, I would suggest at the minimum, a better GPU since most games really don't focus on anything else...These days programming only uses pointers and vectors to determine what it is that is actually happening so the CPU is hardly a huge part of the equation whereas the GPU is the graphical representation of what is actually being processed which it pulls from the server database (only the pointers and vectors)...internet being another huge part of gaming...which in turn uses the HDD .DAT files and other various file types you downloaded. In today's gaming there is very little needed server-side except the authentification from the service to use their provided environment...server-side only collects data in number-form to determine where a player is on the map and where monsters spawn. TL;DR version There is a huge focus on the GPU instead of the CPU because data is only represented in small bits of information that your CPU can easily interpret, but is much harder for your GPU to comprehend when it has to take the information that the CPU has deciphered and create the polygonal figures in such high detail. I dunno, I know a lot of games that are very VERY CPU heavy. I'm not in the Beta for XIV so I can't judge atm. Titan.Azilmar said: Dont wanna quote train too highly here but if you have the cash check out the Coolermaster ATCS 840, its a beast but the PSU can be retrofitted at the top or bottom and you will NEVER have to worry about space EVER. Very nice, I think I might just pick that up, I'd like to get into case modding too, and that seems like a nice base. I did a build on Alienware and I must say, as most, if not everyone, has said is that it is a ripoff...Anyone that wants a computer built could buy the parts and build it themselves for 40% less and you don't need to pick it off a list though having someone build it is safer and less time-consuming (snicker).
Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Snomm said: For the OP, if you want to play FFXIV as I assume that is the reason and I believe that is what you actually posted, I would suggest at the minimum, a better GPU since most games really don't focus on anything else...These days programming only uses pointers and vectors to determine what it is that is actually happening so the CPU is hardly a huge part of the equation whereas the GPU is the graphical representation of what is actually being processed which it pulls from the server database (only the pointers and vectors)...internet being another huge part of gaming...which in turn uses the HDD .DAT files and other various file types you downloaded. In today's gaming there is very little needed server-side except the authentification from the service to use their provided environment...server-side only collects data in number-form to determine where a player is on the map and where monsters spawn. TL;DR version There is a huge focus on the GPU instead of the CPU because data is only represented in small bits of information that your CPU can easily interpret, but is much harder for your GPU to comprehend when it has to take the information that the CPU has deciphered and create the polygonal figures in such high detail. I dunno, I know a lot of games that are very VERY CPU heavy. I'm not in the Beta for XIV so I can't judge atm. With the CPU he is planning on purchasing his only worry IS the GPU because the processor is more than fine for a few years. The thing thats kinda killing him is his budget since getting the newer HD radeons or the 200 series equivalents will surely benefit him in the long run. Im pretty sure i read somewhere the radeon 4800's and the Nvidia 9800 run fairly hot which was somewhat remedied with the newer cards. Yeah, looking at prices I think I will run with the 9800 for the moment. Nivida has okay support and updates and the price is @ $90. In a few years I will bump it up to something nicer when I have a little more money for it.
This is my case and this is the CPU cooler I am getting along with 4 more 120 fans to add in. After having used a BMP for 3 years I want something that wont burn me if I touch it. The fun comes from getting the hacksaw out to fit various pieces of hardware in the suddenly smaller than you realise case :D
The higher spec a machine the more building becomes a cheaper alternative to getting pre-built. For an internet and word process machine I'd definitely go for a pre-built, but once you get into gaming, you save so much money by building. Shiva.Flionheart said: Titan.Azilmar said: Dont wanna quote train too highly here but if you have the cash check out the Coolermaster ATCS 840, its a beast but the PSU can be retrofitted at the top or bottom and you will NEVER have to worry about space EVER. Very nice, I think I might just pick that up, I'd like to get into case modding too, and that seems like a nice base. I'm modding the other one for specifically watercooling so i have to cut out quite the bit of stuff, And i am still working on the designs for the side panels and such. I am fairly lazy to mod it though so i really havnt spent much time with the designs over the last year >.> Titan.Azilmar said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Leviathan.Snomm said: For the OP, if you want to play FFXIV as I assume that is the reason and I believe that is what you actually posted, I would suggest at the minimum, a better GPU since most games really don't focus on anything else...These days programming only uses pointers and vectors to determine what it is that is actually happening so the CPU is hardly a huge part of the equation whereas the GPU is the graphical representation of what is actually being processed which it pulls from the server database (only the pointers and vectors)...internet being another huge part of gaming...which in turn uses the HDD .DAT files and other various file types you downloaded. In today's gaming there is very little needed server-side except the authentification from the service to use their provided environment...server-side only collects data in number-form to determine where a player is on the map and where monsters spawn. TL;DR version There is a huge focus on the GPU instead of the CPU because data is only represented in small bits of information that your CPU can easily interpret, but is much harder for your GPU to comprehend when it has to take the information that the CPU has deciphered and create the polygonal figures in such high detail. I dunno, I know a lot of games that are very VERY CPU heavy. I'm not in the Beta for XIV so I can't judge atm. With the CPU he is planning on purchasing his only worry IS the GPU because the processor is more than fine for a few years. The thing thats kinda killing him is his budget since getting the newer HD radeons or the 200 series equivalents will surely benefit him in the long run. Im pretty sure i read somewhere the radeon 4800's and the Nvidia 9800 run fairly hot which was somewhat remedied with the newer cards. The 4850 runs very very hot, I had to get extra cooling specifically for my GPU when I ran it about a year a go, the Fan is just horrible on it. Running @ about 70c @ idle :O Shiva.Flionheart said: The 4850 runs very very hot, I had to get extra cooling specifically for my GPU when I ran it about a year a go, the Fan is just horrible on it. Running @ about 70c @ idle :O I'd toss that thing through a wall... or cook something on it >.> Shiva.Flionheart said: I dunno, I know a lot of games that are very VERY CPU heavy. I'm not in the Beta for XIV so I can't judge atm. I am basing my finding on the benchmark, which is sort of hypocritical since I said I don't really like benchmarks, but the one for FFXI seemed about right. I did several tests on different overclocks and found that changing the frequency on my CPU had very little effect on the score (~150 difference between 3.7GHz and 4.1GHz) as compared to a stock GPU and an overclocked GPU benchmark score (~500 difference between 725/1000 and 850/1200). The 3.7GHz CPU and stock GPU was about 3700-3800, 4.1GHz and stock GPU netted ~4000, 3.7GHZ and OC GPU netted ~4200, and 4.1GHz and OC GPU netted ~4,300 I'm not saying that the CPU has no impact on the game, but it is of a lesser importance. Siren.Enternius said: Titan.Azilmar said: Siren.Enternius said: Alienware is a fail money grab, good pcs i suppose but i can build better for cheaper. this is EXACTLY what i have except my 12GB is 1333MHZ |
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