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taru/galka HP/MP predictions
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-14 15:05:49
Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
You're one of those guys who wouldn't choose galka simply because they lack in some stats aren't you?
God I hate the FFXI community sometimes. Holy *** I'd troll some more but I got you so good I actually feel bad about it.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-14 15:06:26
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
You're one of those guys who wouldn't choose galka simply because they lack in some stats aren't you?
God I hate the FFXI community sometimes. Holy *** I'd troll some more but I got you so good I actually feel bad about it.
I've seen how you act in other threads, this would hardly be a leap.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-06-14 15:07:48
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka. lol i agree. What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well... Hume has control over said Galka?
Back on topic, it makes sense... Galka are high HP low (hardly) MP, Taru is the reverse.. values look fine to me really.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-14 15:08:39
Disagree, but certain people tend to misunderstand my position even after making it clear a dozen+ times so whatever.
Anyway, the max MP thing. Outside of soloing it really doesn't matter; the only truly significant primary stat for an endgame BLM is INT and it's not such a dramatic difference that I'd tell somebody to GTFO if they were Galka... or even Elvaan for that matter. Besides, pretty sure Galka and Hume have the same base INT.
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-06-14 15:10:30
but..Galka's are fugly
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-14 15:10:49
I agree that taru get more hp than they should, it should bea more even hp/mp gimp for taru/galka. I will say though i've never had a problem with mp. In the long run unless it's a short zerg fight(where I would be a melee anyway) mpr and refresh is going to destroy max mp. For all things but short fights and soloing max mp means next to nothing. This might be their reasoning for gimping our mp more than taru HP.
As for pld, taru pld are just fine, my galka has 1700 when i'm not even gearing hp, i rarely drop below 1k.... so taru plds are just fine, but like I said before it's all about refresh rate, max mp does factor in more for pld tho to be able to get hate faster at start. In the long run again though, it doesn't really matter, it's all about proper support.
All this thread has really spawned is trolls. Everything is fine, and will be fine. If not, SE will just ninja fix ***that they *** up as always.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-14 15:12:42
To be fair, low max MP doesn't make you nearly as vulnerable to getting your ***pushed in as low max HP does. I personally feel that Taru max HP is fine where it is, they hit the dirt often enough even now.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-14 15:15:02
Well you can look forward to XIV, the races are simply aesthetic.
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-14 15:15:41
Shiva.Flionheart said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
You're one of those guys who wouldn't choose galka simply because they lack in some stats aren't you?
God I hate the FFXI community sometimes.
I concur. You'd think since this is 2010 people would be over the 2003 mentality of "taru mage onry" blah blah blah "Galka Melee only" blah blah blah.
All jokes aside, yes its all about skill. My other half plays both Galka RDM and SCH and has no trouble at all with his MP whatsoever. In fact our ls bugs him all the time to come as any of those jobs even though his Favorite main job is Monk.
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-14 15:16:59
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I agree that taru get more hp than they should, it should bea more even hp/mp gimp for taru/galka. I will say though i've never had a problem with mp. In the long run unless it's a short zerg fight(where I would be a melee anyway) mpr and refresh is going to destroy max mp. For all things but short fights and soloing max mp means next to nothing. This might be their reasoning for gimping our mp more than taru HP.
As for pld, taru pld are just fine, my galka has 1700 when i'm not even gearing hp, i rarely drop below 1k.... so taru plds are just fine, but like I said before it's all about refresh rate, max mp does factor in more for pld tho to be able to get hate faster at start. In the long run again though, it doesn't really matter, it's all about proper support.
All this thread has really spawned is trolls. Everything is fine, and will be fine. If not, SE will just ninja fix ***that they *** up as always. Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: I agree that taru get more hp than they should, it should bea more even hp/mp gimp for taru/galka. I will say though i've never had a problem with mp. In the long run unless it's a short zerg fight(where I would be a melee anyway) mpr and refresh is going to destroy max mp. For all things but short fights and soloing max mp means next to nothing. This might be their reasoning for gimping our mp more than taru HP.
As for pld, taru pld are just fine, my galka has 1700 when i'm not even gearing hp, i rarely drop below 1k.... so taru plds are just fine, but like I said before it's all about refresh rate, max mp does factor in more for pld tho to be able to get hate faster at start. In the long run again though, it doesn't really matter, it's all about proper support.
All this thread has really spawned is trolls. Everything is fine, and will be fine. If not, SE will just ninja fix ***that they *** up as always.
Exactly.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-14 15:17:36
If I'd rolled Galka I would have levelled up mages to prove they are as capable as any taru. Same goes with if I levelled taru, I would have become a pld.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-14 15:17:54
Carbuncle.Zanno said: but..Galka's are fugly

hahahahaha, so this is how they dress up in their moghouse D:
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-14 15:18:30
Shiva.Flionheart said: Well you can look forward to XIV, the races are simply aesthetic.
I could care less either way. Race specific stats just mean I have to gear differently and learn to play a separate way. No harder, no easier. Doesn't really matter if they are aesthetic or actually different.
I will say though, it would be nice not having to camp AH for a year straight to get RSE2 Hands/feet. That ***was never on AH.
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-14 15:22:00
Shiva.Flionheart said: If I'd rolled Galka I would have levelled up mages to prove they are as capable as any taru. Same goes with if I levelled taru, I would have become a pld.
I remember a buddy of mine years ago rolling paladin on his taru. It was pretty rough in the dunes doing it legitimately, but his perseverance paid off in the end and he made a beastly paladin out of himself, having about 1700 HP fully buffed; I was impressed.
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-14 15:25:10
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
Hate to tell you this but Elvaan used to get the short end of the stick too because of MP issues even though they have very good MND; not that they're bad imo just that's how they were preceived upon. On the other side of things I've seen and been in parties with some really damn good Taru PLDs and DDs and they've held their own while having Galkan or Elvaan mages heal and support the group.
Just stating what I've experienced. The proof is in the pudding after all :-P
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-14 15:26:40
Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Well you can look forward to XIV, the races are simply aesthetic.
I could care less either way. Race specific stats just mean I have to gear differently and learn to play a separate way. No harder, no easier. Doesn't really matter if they are aesthetic or actually different.
I will say though, it would be nice not having to camp AH for a year straight to get RSE2 Hands/feet. That ***was never on AH.
That's why I kept mine after questing it, but mainly because on my server at the time people would jack up the prices so high on just the 30s RSE it would nearly cost you a mil >.>
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-14 15:29:28
Lolgalka mages. Have fun burnning all your mp one 1 T5 spell or AM2
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-06-14 15:29:49
Ramuh.Rustytiger said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
Hate to tell you this but Elvaan used to get the short end of the stick too because of MP issues even though they have very good MND; not that they're bad imo just that's how they were preceived upon. On the other side of things I've seen and been in parties with some really damn good Taru PLDs and DDs and they've held their own while having Galkan or Elvaan mages heal and support the group.
Just stating what I've experienced. The proof is in the pudding after all :-P
I see what you mean, but that is because of the player.
Imagine a guy playing a taru sam, and he's doing great and all, great gear, great skills and what not. Now you cant compare this guy to a gimp player with gimp gear and gimp skills that is elvaan. You'd have to think about what this taru could have done had he been elvaan with full str merits.
Thats where the difference is, not compared to other players.
And galkas are still ugly!
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By Shiva.Weewoo 2010-06-14 15:33:24
What ever happened to the days when people picked a race that was aesthetically pleasing to them and suited their idea of an alter-ego character? It seems everyone these days is stats or gtfo.
Although I suppose the former reason is still valid considering the population of manthras lol.
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-06-14 15:38:38
Shiva.Weewoo said: What ever happened to the days when people picked a race that was aesthetically pleasing to them and suited their idea of an alter-ego character? It seems everyone these days is stats or gtfo. Although I suppose the former reason is still valid considering the population of manthras lol. I assume a decent amount of the player base just wants to be the best at whatever they do, probably players that have already went through the game once on a char and decided to make another to suit a certain role.
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By Ramuh.Rustytiger 2010-06-14 15:39:48
Shiva.Weewoo said: What ever happened to the days when people picked a race that was aesthetically pleasing to them and suited their idea of an alter-ego character? It seems everyone these days is stats or gtfo.
Although I suppose the former reason is still valid considering the population of manthras lol.
I picked mine because of your statement. And I picked the jobs I wanted to level first because of the fun of it, not because of what I SHOULD be playing.
@Zanno I'm only refering to what the person posted of my opinion; the stats are fair and true but at the end of the day it does come down to the skill of the player as everyone else here illustrated as well.
As for galkas being "ugly" well that's your opinion. Fair enough. You have your 12 bucks a month and I have mine, and mine says Galka's are smexy no matter what job they play ;)
Another man's ugliness is another man's beauty my friend :-P
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-14 15:42:11
When I created this character, I was alllll about BLM.
I still chose Hume. I am not going to *** waddle around on epic adventures through Vana'diel.
Worked out ok in the end given that I got back into BLU pretty quickly, but even with Plasticsurgeon out now there's something to be said for choosing a race based on aesthetics.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-06-14 15:43:45
I was an elf on my first char, but I didn't like the looks of it much, so I started again on hume and made him bald simply because I liked the looks of it. I really wish I'd chosen Galka now simply because I love the looks of Galka, and there aren't many.
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By Gilgamesh.Samuraiking 2010-06-14 15:44:17
Ramuh.Rustytiger said: Gilgamesh.Samuraiking said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Well you can look forward to XIV, the races are simply aesthetic.
I could care less either way. Race specific stats just mean I have to gear differently and learn to play a separate way. No harder, no easier. Doesn't really matter if they are aesthetic or actually different.
I will say though, it would be nice not having to camp AH for a year straight to get RSE2 Hands/feet. That ***was never on AH.
That's why I kept mine after questing it, but mainly because on my server at the time people would jack up the prices so high on just the 30s RSE it would nearly cost you a mil >.>
I have my full RSE2 set, and the full RSE3(I meant to say RSE3 earlier(I forget starting gear is RSE1). It took me a year in 2005 of camping AH for full RSE3, that ***was rare, and I sold my RSE2(like most ppl) when I was new, so had to wait and camp that too, though it didn't take as long lol.
Originally as a galka I hated mages, but after leveling so many jobs and feeling comfortable with my gear I finally got sucked into it.... and what a mistake leveling blm was, got stuck on that job 100% for events for 2-3 years.
I chose galka because I liked it, didn't care for the stat aspect. Then again I didn't research before I played. I prolly would have chose galka still though, I just find my extra HP comforting even though I rarely go below half. :/
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-06-14 15:48:05
Ramuh.Rustytiger said:
@Zanno I'm only refering to what the person posted of my opinion; the stats are fair and true but at the end of the day it does come down to the skill of the player as everyone else here illustrated as well.
As for galkas being "ugly" well that's your opinion. Fair enough. You have your 12 bucks a month and I have mine, and mine says Galka's are smexy no matter what job they play ;)
Another man's ugliness is another man's beauty my friend :-P
heh well, I cant say I chose my char based on stats or looks, since I had no idea about anything when I created my first char. (yes this is the first char I ever made, still have it). I simply went for elvaan, because thats the race (elf, elv and simular) that I've had in every game I've played where that race have been available.
Considering THF was my first 75, elvaan stats wasnt the best of choices lol.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-06-14 15:56:28
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
i could be wrong, haven't looked in a while, but i think they have pretty respectable strength without taking the big hit to DEX that elvaan does?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-06-14 15:57:51
is it me...or do dbags typically pick elvaan?
cuz elvaans are pretty big dbags in story line for FF, coincidence? I think not.
I picked galka so I could have the badass fu manchu cuz hume didn't really have anything that i liked aesthetically more for me...and elvaans run like they have a stick up their ***. Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
i could be wrong, haven't looked in a while, but i think they have pretty respectable strength without taking the big hit to DEX that elvaan does? ya, galka is #2 when it comes to strength and doesn't run like a fairy. :D
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By Carbuncle.Zanno 2010-06-14 16:02:50
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
i could be wrong, haven't looked in a while, but i think they have pretty respectable strength without taking the big hit to DEX that elvaan does?
And yet ppl pay millions and millions for that one piece of HQ gear that gives only 1 more str to their ws gear.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2010-06-14 16:06:03
Carbuncle.Zanno said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
i could be wrong, haven't looked in a while, but i think they have pretty respectable strength without taking the big hit to DEX that elvaan does?
And yet ppl pay millions and millions for that one piece of HQ gear that gives only 1 more str to their ws gear.
i think you could say the same for dex in some cases?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-06-14 16:08:33
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Carbuncle.Zanno said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: My thoughts? Don't roll Galka.
lol i agree.
What is galka good for anyway? HP? For what? you're supposed to have someone to cure you. All other races have something useful (imo), elvaan got str, mithra dex, taru mp, hume got um well...
i could be wrong, haven't looked in a while, but i think they have pretty respectable strength without taking the big hit to DEX that elvaan does? 99% sure they have the same STR and DEX values as Hume.
EDIT: More STR, same DEX, less INT contrary to what I posted earlier.
more then just me would be more then Weldon to see this adjustment be made. Taru are too gimped on HP and galka are too gimped on MP. predicted outcome of the lv 80 cap pre gear pre merits or job traits
this is calculated for lv 80
JOB | RACE | MP | HP
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SMN/RDM| TARU |1003 |753
SMN/RDM| GALK |606 |1166
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MNK/NIN| TARU |0 |1346
MNK/NIN| GALK |0 |1759
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RDM/BLM| TARU |821 |913
RDM/BLM| GALK |424 |1326
notice how on RDM/BLM galka have nearly about 1 and 1/4 as much HP as the taru. yet taru have 1 and 1/2 as much MP. these extreams are not only OVER exteram. but it seems galka is getting ripped off. and considering that MP is far more valuable then HP when it comes to jobs that use it. its fairly understandable that races should have a difference that taru are better mages. and galka are better at being more hearty. but by this amount is too much
pleaes post your thoughts
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